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X5 E70 (2007 - 2013)
E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 12-25-2009, 04:26 PM
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X5 35i vs X5 35D, Which One to Get!!!

Ok, so last week I ordered a 2010 X5 30i fully loaded. I ran across this forum and have seen a lot of posts re the 35D. Since the vehicle still has not gone into build status, I could probably change it to a 35D rather quickly if I wanted to. First I am trying to figure out if the diesel is worth the extra money. Yes you would get better gas mileage, but based on current prices of diesel being within a few cents of premium, and driving less than 15k a year, it will take a long time to recoup the extra money spent on a diesel. The diesel is 4k more, but I do figure that since BMW is still offering the ECO tax credit of 4,500, this puts the diesel only $2,000 more than the 30i (since the 30i you get $2,500 right now from BMW). Decisions, decisions.....any 2010 X5 30i owners out there with an opinion?
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Old 12-25-2009, 04:54 PM
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Don't forget the IRS tax credit ($1800) and sales tax rebate if you buy the diesel. Should put the price pretty close to the 3.0i
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Old 12-25-2009, 06:00 PM
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Ok, so assuming the X5 30i and the X5 35D cost the same...

If the 30i and the 35D cost exactly the same price, which one would you get? Are there any downsides to owning a diesel?
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Old 12-25-2009, 06:13 PM
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If the 30i and the 35D cost exactly the same price, which one would you get? Are there any downsides to owning a diesel?
Get the diesel. The drawback is that you can't rev to 7000rpm, but with the diesel you won't need to anyway because it's faster and more frugal at the same time.
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Old 12-25-2009, 11:25 PM
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1. Get the diesel. Just a better performing car, and higher resale.

2. I suspect you will not be able to just 'change' the motor to a diesel! BMW allocates only a set nmber of each car/motor configuration.... So if you want a diesel it means them giving you one of their diesels...

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Old 12-26-2009, 04:23 AM
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The diesel's 425ft.lbs of torque make it a no brainer performance wise.

Diesel pumps not everywhere there are gasoline stations but with the better fuel mileage and 22.5 gallon tank, I fill up about half as frequently as my previous vehicles. Prob. more than 100 miles extra between fill ups than the gasoline 3.0.

Resale in 3 to 5 years is a crapshoot depending on the market for diesels.

Drive both and I suspect your choice and decision will be a no brainer.
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Old 12-26-2009, 10:10 AM
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The market for used diesels has always been strong, relatively ( a core group of dedicated, more knowledgable enthusiasts buying from a smaller pool of available vehicles, mainly European). I suspect that it will get only better as diesels become more common. And, they are becoming more common. They are now viewed very favorably in the car press as a mainline choice and perhaps even superior option to petoleum-fueled alternatives. I just bought a 2010 VW Touareg diesel, which the press generally loves. The gas Touareg gets nowhere near as good a response. The Golf and Jetta diesels are other examples. Having moved from an 08 X5 3.0 to the Touareg diesel, I can see why.
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Old 12-26-2009, 10:22 AM
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I couldn't see buying a 10 30i when the 11 model is supposedly months away and (again) supposedly will have a twin turbo straight six (the N54). Plus, with the eco credit and the tax credit (you'll likely miss the tax deduction which expires at the end of the year), the 35d is cheaper than the 30i.

Plus, the 425 ft lbs of torque in the 35d make it a joy to drive. The 35d has a turbo lag, which many don't mind and adjust their driving accordingly, and is somewhat more noisy, but I like the more powerful diesel sound.

If you wait until next model year (expected to start in the spring), though, and the 30i gets the twin turbo engine, then that is probably a closer call than a 10 30i v. a 10 35d.

But, you likely won't be able to switch engines unless your dealer has a diesel allocation.
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Old 12-26-2009, 01:34 PM
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I drove the 3.0 when shopping for my wife's X5. The performance was not very good IMO and we decided to bite the bullet and purchase the more expensive V8. We love it and haven't had a regret. Supposedly, the diesel and the V8 have very close performance stats, but the diesel model is less expensive. I have the 2010 335d and love it. If buying today, I'd give the diesel X5 strong consideration. Good luck.
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Old 12-27-2009, 09:49 AM
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Have my diesel and glad I didnt go with 3.0i.... the torque it has makes it so much fun to drive. I just emptied my first tank yesterday, 482 miles to the tank with 45 miles to go. Can't beat that with the 3.0i
The only draw back is not every gas station has diesel, thanks to iphone apps for the search of diesel and now I am all good to go.
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Old 12-27-2009, 10:01 AM
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The tax credit phases out at higher income - just an FYI.
Also, (someone correct me if I'm wrong), but the diesel engine is rather new and may not have the reliability of the straight six (I'm not saying BMW is new to diesels, just that this engine is new).

Still, I bet you will enjoy the driving experience better with the diesel.
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Old 12-27-2009, 10:34 AM
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The eco credit is AMT proof, yet the sales tax deduction does phase out with income.
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Old 12-27-2009, 11:12 AM
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The tax credit phases out at higher income - just an FYI.
Also, (someone correct me if I'm wrong), but the diesel engine is rather new and may not have the reliability of the straight six (I'm not saying BMW is new to diesels, just that this engine is new).

Still, I bet you will enjoy the driving experience better with the diesel.

The engine used in the X5d and 335d is only new to the US. It has been used in Europe for several years and has won engine of the year awards several times. Reliability of the engine itself should not be a concern. The kinks have been worked out across the pond and the myriad of other electronic equipment on the X will go out before the bulletproof engine ever will.

As an owner of the X5d, the decision was really a no-brainer. Test drove both the 3.0 and then the d. I knew which one I'd get within 30 seconds. Truthfully, I have no idea why anyone would buy the current 3.0 when the d is on par or cheaper cost wise, has MUCH more power, and gets better fuel economy. Plus, it comes with the silver kidney grills that the V-8 has. Much better looking than the black IMO.

Also, from everything Ive read, you'll only notice the difference between the V-8 and the d when you get up around and above 90mph at which point the 8's hp and torque peak while the d is winding down. That and the light feeling in your wallet when fueling.
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Old 12-27-2009, 11:20 AM
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The engine used in the X5d and 335d is only new to the US. It has been used in Europe for several years and has won engine of the year awards several times. Reliability of the engine itself should not be a concern. The kinks have been worked out across the pond and the myriad of other electronic equipment on the X will go out before the bulletproof engine ever will.

As an owner of the X5d, the decision was really a no-brainer. Test drove both the 3.0 and then the d. I knew which one I'd get within 30 seconds. Truthfully, I have no idea why anyone would buy the current 3.0 when the d is on par or cheaper cost wise, has MUCH more power, and gets better fuel economy. Plus, it comes with the silver kidney grills that the V-8 has. Much better looking than the black IMO.

Also, from everything Ive read, you'll only notice the difference between the V-8 and the d when you get up around and above 90mph at which point the 8's hp and torque peak while the d is winding down. That and the light feeling in your wallet when fueling.
Agreed. No disrespect to those of you with 3.0's, but there is no advantage to one over the diesel or 4.8. They are underpowered for a vehicle of this size and unless it's going to be used solely as a grocery-getter (which there are far more competitive options for) quite lacking.
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Old 12-28-2009, 08:19 AM
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The eco credit is AMT proof, yet the sales tax deduction does phase out with income.
I'm also in a market for X5 35D and wondering what eco credit that you're refering to. I've seen "Diesel Tax Credit" deduction of -$900 from BMW website but I haven't heard of eco credit before.

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Old 12-28-2009, 09:11 AM
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I'm also in a market for X5 35D and wondering what eco credit that you're refering to. I've seen "Diesel Tax Credit" deduction of -$900 from BMW website but I haven't heard of eco credit before.

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BMW USA is offering a $4,500 "eco credit" (aka discount) off the 35d if you order before 1/4

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...ecocredit.aspx
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Old 12-28-2009, 09:13 AM
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ECO credit is a promotion BMW has been running since ~July and keeps getting extended. Its now supposed to end at the end of the year. Gives $4500 off whatever price you negotiate with the dealer.

BTW, the tax credit for the 2010 model year is back up to $1,800 like the '09's.
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Old 12-28-2009, 09:15 AM
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get the diesel version
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Old 12-29-2009, 06:20 AM
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Thanks for all of the advice

I really appreciate everyone's input. Yesterday I contacted the dealer and they changed the order from a 30i to a 35D. It should be starting production soon with a early to mid Feb delivery date. I think I am also going to go pick it up at the factory in order to enjoy the B
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Old 12-29-2009, 07:38 AM
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Unless you can't throw down the $2k up front (you'll get it back, plus a lot more, when tax season hits), then there is no reason to get the 30i. Congrats on your order.
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All

Came across this thread and am also in the market for a 2010 X5 35d (my expedition lease is coming up next month). With that said being a bimmer owner for a long time (also have an 01 540 sport) I love them. I tried the 3.0 and the power didn't do much for me so was about to pull the trigger on a 4.8 but then after reading this thread about the perf of the 35d it has me thinking.

One question I have regarding the pricing is can you combine current deals ? In other words the following:

$900 Diesel Credit
$4500 Eco Credit (good through end of Apr 2010)
$2500 Spring drive credit ?

Here is the spec I am thinking about leasing, any thoughts would be great appreciated:

Base MSRP $51,300
Alpine White $0
Sand Beige Nevada Leather $0
Dark Burl Walnut wood trim $0
Premium Package $3,400
Rear Climate Package $900
Sport Activity Package $2,200
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$900
Technology Package $2,800
Heated front seats $500
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Old 04-11-2010, 12:11 PM
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If you lease you are not the owner, so no tax credit. (and it is 1800 for the diesel, not 900). AFAIK, you cannot combine the 2500 spring drive with the 4500 eco.

If you are leasing, the numbers will be close- I'd estimate your fuel costs for the diesel at 60% of the costs for the 4.8, given the mix of driving and (perhaps) your altitude.

Go drive one.

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Old 04-11-2010, 01:15 PM
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I went from a 2007 4.8 to a 2010 3.5 and granted it has been only two days but I am pleasantly surprised. On paper it might be a bit slower but in the real world it is had great pick up and seems much faster than the 528 loaner I was in.

My wife thinks it is a bit loader than the V8 when accelerating but I like it and when cruising even she is happy.

For me it was a great move and I would not even consider the gas six for this SUV. However in this area you can not find them on the dealer lots.
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I have 25k miles on my 2010 X5 35d, purchased new 10 months ago, fully optioned, 50% city - 50% hwy driving. Hwy performance is flawless, city has some initial acceleration delay. MPG average 17/22 - Would be better MPG except I added the BMW 21" wheel/tire package, which looks fantastic but takes away some fuel economy. I do have the 3rd row seat w/rear auto leveling option and added the tow package, because of family size, and I frequently pull a 6000 lb boat. The towing is nothing less than Absolutely Impressive- any hill or steep grade- it's a serious pulling machine. I've had to drive through water, mud, sand, and snow, and still Love it. I have owned several BMW's over the years, but the X5 is a great all around vehicle. **With that said, If you Tow or drive many HWY miles, opt for Diesel, otherwise I recommend the 2011 35i (turbo gas).**

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My dad has the diesel and it feels more sluggish than the 35i I drove.

Depends, if you care about gas prices, get the diesel its nice (the range is epic). Just preference really. All in all the 35i, 50i and diesel and really the same thing.
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