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E36 (1991 - 1999)
The E36 chassis 3-Series BMW was a huge hit among driving enthusiasts from the first moment the car hit the pavement. The E36 won numerous awards over the years it was produced and is still a favorite of many BMW enthusiasts to this day! -- View the E36 Wiki

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Old 02-11-2013, 09:26 AM
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i dont have a welder or a grand to fix it...
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:04 AM
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Well then you're definitely not gonna have a welder and 2 grand to totally rebuild that shiit in the summer. Don't wanna be a downer, but it's only gonna get a lot worse.
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:25 AM
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CJ you know how to fix the subframe?
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:29 AM
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if i were closer i haz welder(s) to help out...but i are in teh stix...


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Old 02-11-2013, 10:32 AM
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if i were closer i haz welder(s) to help out...but i are in teh stix...


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Old 02-11-2013, 10:33 AM
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:37 AM
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CJ you know how to fix the subframe?
I can do basic welding. So if there was a small tear, I could probably fix it by welding on reinforcement plates. But if it's completely torn out (like Franklyn's might be), then that would require an experienced welder and a lot of time. The extent of the damage on Franklyn's might be just the subframe itself. That's why I think he should pull the subframe and inspect the damage before driving it much further and possibly doing more damage. But ain't nobody wanna pull a subframe in Rochester winter, so I don't really blame him.
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:39 AM
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Is franklyn having issues that make you suspect the subframe messed up or you talking preventative b/c the rust?
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:44 AM
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No he's had pretty bad knocking and we're pretty sure it's the subframe.
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:45 AM
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Knocking when turning or all the time? Mine makes a knock/rub sound when turning reallllly slow in parking lot sharply...think mine is bushings tho.
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:48 AM
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The knocking is when the weight is switched on the driveline. (on/off the gas)
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:54 AM
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The knocking is when the weight is switched on the driveline. (on/off the gas)
O i see. Makes since..like rocking back and forth.
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:45 AM
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I've got both symptoms ^^^.

I'm pretty sure my my subframe bushings are all shot. That's why I bought a new subframe in Chicago this past weekend.
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:50 AM
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It's the subframe bushings most likely. You should have heard the racket the subframe made on Elvira before I replaced the bushings. Same thing on the 633...sounded like someone slamming the frame with a 4 lb sledge every time you'd shift.
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Old 02-11-2013, 01:01 PM
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Mine don't do it when shifting...only when going under 5 mph and turning really sharp. Think its bushings but not sure which ones.
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:21 PM
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Mine don't do it when shifting...only when going under 5 mph and turning really sharp. Think its bushings but not sure which ones.
Jesse, my RTAB's sounded like that. Also on the highway I experienced a lot of bump steer.
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Old 02-11-2013, 04:16 PM
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Now that you mentioned it, mine does have a bit of bump steer. Will be doing those in spring I suppose...thanks ED. Should I just go oem or poly? Would I have to reinforce the subframe to use the poly rtabs?
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Old 02-11-2013, 04:22 PM
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Ehhh...

Jesse mine had that sound coming from the rear before I did my rtabs.

I still have that sound. Ymmv (hopefully).
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Old 02-11-2013, 04:29 PM
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Now that you mentioned it, mine does have a bit of bump steer. Will be doing those in spring I suppose...thanks ED. Should I just go oem or poly? Would I have to reinforce the subframe to use the poly rtabs?
RTABs really aren't that hard. mien were pretty bad so i was able to take a sawzall to them without having to dril the rubber away to get the blade in there, once i cut through the metal cup of the bushing i was able to get it out with a hammer and chisel. the hardest part of the whole thing that took more time than replacing the bushing was getting the damn cassette to line back up to the subframe. the bolts wouldn't line up for the life of me, lots of swear words and other unpleasantries took place getting that fcuker back up there.
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Old 02-11-2013, 05:01 PM
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Should I just go oem or poly? Would I have to reinforce the subframe to use the poly rtabs?
I'd go with a soft poly, and no, you don't need to reinforce the sub-frame. If anything, you may want to eventually reinforce the pockets themselves if you plan to do some track work. Even so, I think RTAB pocket failure is mostly an issue with rust belt cars. I totally love my Rogue Engineering black RTABs. Super easy to install (unlike OEM RTABs, which require a special tool to install), and I didn't have any problems getting the trailing arms aligned like Ken did. You just gotta be creative with a floor jack and screwdriver to aid alignment of the bolt holes.
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Old 02-11-2013, 05:05 PM
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I'd go with a soft poly, and no, you don't need to reinforce the sub-frame. If anything, you may want to eventually reinforce the pockets themselves if you plan to do some track work. Even so, I think RTAB pocket failure is mostly an issue with rust belt cars. I totally love my Rogue Engineering black RTABs. Super easy to install (unlike OEM RTABs, which require a special tool to install), and I didn't have any problems getting the trailing arms aligned like Ken did. You just gotta be creative with a floor jack and screwdriver to aid alignment of the bolt holes.
I used powerflex's black RTABs and they went in with very little drama. No idea why I couldn't get the console to line back up but i pretty much had to jam a punch into each hole and do one bolt at a time to get them in, and straight. what a PITA. it still only took me about an hour a side.
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Old 02-11-2013, 05:44 PM
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does the buttdyno feel anything?
Car feels better has a bit more torque at lower RPMs, love the new rev limiter, and also it's peppier on the highway...

But can't say I gained hp though...

Mpg went up too
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Old 02-11-2013, 05:48 PM
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:10 PM
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Thanks for the info guys...need alignment after?

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Yes, especially if the RTABs you are removing are shot. Putting brand new RTABs in place will align the trailing arms differently, even if you get the bolt holes lined up exactly as they were before.
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