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Old 03-29-2016, 07:51 PM
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At high speeds starting at 80mph and up my steering wheels and car would shake or vibrate, it would get worse as I get higher in speed.

-already bought new tires
-I've done a wheel balance twice
-Wheel Alignment 4 times

Hopefully this weekend I'll have some time to get under the car to visually inspect anything out of the ordinary. What I will be looking for is...
-Damage on the driveshaft
-worn inner outer tie rods
-the two front axels

Any ideas of what els I should check or look at?
Also has anybody had this problem before?

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Old 04-01-2016, 10:32 AM
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It sounds like the tie rods to me. I had the outer and inner on both sides replaced on mine recently and now there is no more shaking or wobble with my steering wheel. Hope you figure out whats causing the problem!
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Old 04-01-2016, 06:09 PM
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It sounds like the tie rods to me. I had the outer and inner on both sides replaced on mine recently and now there is no more shaking or wobble with my steering wheel. Hope you figure out whats causing the problem!

Will also my front struts are busted... Idk for it's the struts or the tie rods I have to replace
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Old 04-03-2016, 02:14 PM
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A good alignment shop should have spotted worn tie rods, and they should have told you they couldn't do a proper alignment because the suspension has too much slop in it. So either your tie rods are OK, or the alignment shop you go to is incompetent.

I'd take a cue from that old joke: "Doc, it hurts when I do this." Doc: "Well, don't DO that!" If you know your struts are shot, refrain from exceeding 80 mph until you get them fixed.
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Old 04-03-2016, 03:48 PM
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My issue is why you're getting a wheel alignment 4 times and no one noticed what's going on with your car. Twice I could possibly understand but 4 times...
Something's wrong with that. Anywho we're here to help.

I agree with GrayBeard sounds like your tierods are shot. It also could be other things going on.
Eliminate the simple stuff first. What kind of wheels are on your car? Factory or aftermarket?
Did you need hub rings for the wheels (goes back to my first question on what wheels do you have.)
Are the wheels bent?

Put the front wheels in the air (do this one at a time). With your hands at 9 and 3 try to shake the wheel front to back, then in and out as if your turning the wheel.
Shouldn't take much effort to do this your not trying to simulate anything. We're looking for play.
If you have play then you have some worn or loose suspension pieces.

Remove the wheel from the side you have play and grab a 19mm socket. Check to see if your strut plate bolts are tight.
They are below your strut, one sits next to the lower part of the brake dust shield.

With your wheel reinstalled, put the car back on the ground open the hood and with a 13mm socket check you strut mounts. Make sure the nuts are tight.

Those are the easiest ways to isolate what it could be.
From a distance Again I agree with Graybeard it sound like your tie rods or it can be your lower control arms, or Thrust /Upper control arms.

And whoever did the alignment and didn't notice this is a hack.
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Old 04-03-2016, 10:33 PM
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I've went under the car a few time checked the drive shaft and the front suspension components... Everything seems to be good and tight, I've taken my car back and told them to balance the wheels with and without the wheel hub ring.. They said the wheels rolls good without the ring but with it on slightly wobbles. So I'll be getting new hub rings also new struts later on and hoping that will fix the problem!
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Old 04-03-2016, 10:34 PM
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My issue is why you're getting a wheel alignment 4 times and no one noticed what's going on with your car. Twice I could possibly understand but 4 times...
Something's wrong with that. Anywho we're here to help.

I agree with GrayBeard sounds like your tierods are shot. It also could be other things going on.
Eliminate the simple stuff first. What kind of wheels are on your car? Factory or aftermarket?
Did you need hub rings for the wheels (goes back to my first question on what wheels do you have.)
Are the wheels bent?

Put the front wheels in the air (do this one at a time). With your hands at 9 and 3 try to shake the wheel front to back, then in and out as if your turning the wheel.
Shouldn't take much effort to do this your not trying to simulate anything. We're looking for play.
If you have play then you have some worn or loose suspension pieces.

Remove the wheel from the side you have play and grab a 19mm socket. Check to see if your strut plate bolts are tight.
They are below your strut, one sits next to the lower part of the brake dust shield.

With your wheel reinstalled, put the car back on the ground open the hood and with a 13mm socket check you strut mounts. Make sure the nuts are tight.

Those are the easiest ways to isolate what it could be.
From a distance Again I agree with Graybeard it sound like your tie rods or it can be your lower control arms, or Thrust /Upper control arms.

And whoever did the alignment and didn't notice this is a hack.

I'll also go thru and tighten them see if anything changes
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Old 04-03-2016, 11:12 PM
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I had a vibration on my 540 that was a pain to track down. It turned out to be the wheels were not centering on the hubs properly. Ended up getting a set of aluminum hub centric rings on amazon for $15 fixed problem. At least try torquing up wheels gradually and to proper specs. May help
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Old 04-04-2016, 10:08 AM
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I'm gonna guess it has to do with the hub rings. That explanation of it getting worse and worse the higher speed you go just made me wonder if you were using them on non-oe rims. As Mr and MSD suggested, your tie-rods and other various suspension parts should really get some serious attention. If for nothing else than you had it aligned 4 times, and you seem to state your struts are toast. (Did you get out of spec readings or something every time? Or did you just hand over your car and say do it? I'm confused as to why you would waste so much time and effort) I understand not wanting to throw parts at a problem, but chasing a suspension problem down and ignoring potentially involved parts is a bit silly.

Nonetheless, I go back to the rings, or put on some wheels that do not require them to see where you are. Is it possible to check tire balance with the rings in play, or is it all just lug bolt/nut attached to said machine? Perhaps that's something you could check around your local parts for. Ask around some tire shops to see if they can test your wheels with rings. Kind of doubt it, but might be worth a shot.
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Old 04-04-2016, 10:34 AM
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Yep, rings (or lack of) is a likely source of high-speed vibration if your wheels require them.
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Old 04-05-2016, 01:03 AM
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I'm gonna guess it has to do with the hub rings. That explanation of it getting worse and worse the higher speed you go just made me wonder if you were using them on non-oe rims. As Mr and MSD suggested, your tie-rods and other various suspension parts should really get some serious attention. If for nothing else than you had it aligned 4 times, and you seem to state your struts are toast. (Did you get out of spec readings or something every time? Or did you just hand over your car and say do it? I'm confused as to why you would waste so much time and effort) I understand not wanting to throw parts at a problem, but chasing a suspension problem down and ignoring potentially involved parts is a bit silly.

Nonetheless, I go back to the rings, or put on some wheels that do not require them to see where you are. Is it possible to check tire balance with the rings in play, or is it all just lug bolt/nut attached to said machine? Perhaps that's something you could check around your local parts for. Ask around some tire shops to see if they can test your wheels with rings. Kind of doubt it, but might be worth a shot.

First time I did an The alignment was because I got new wheels, the second time new tires, and the third time Lowering springs.. Also I went back and had the tire shop to balance the wheels with and without the rings and it shows that the hub rings was throwing it off just by a little. (I'm sure that's what's causing the car to shimmy at high speeds)
So right know I'm looking into buying new hub rings. I've looked everywhere and nobody has the size I need. Does anyone know where I can order them? Or post a link? Thanks
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Old 04-05-2016, 01:22 AM
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I had a vibration on my 540 that was a pain to track down. It turned out to be the wheels were not centering on the hubs properly. Ended up getting a set of aluminum hub centric rings on amazon for $15 fixed problem. At least try torquing up wheels gradually and to proper specs. May help

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Old 04-05-2016, 08:53 AM
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Those look like they'd be pretty solid, but I could see a ring being somewhat squished by simply hitting a pothole hard enough. Not saying that's the case, but whatever the circumstance, I'd agree with trying a new set for what they cost. Otherwise, take a micrometer and measure the thickness around the ring until you find the bad one. I get the impression you had these wheels on there for some time now, so you know they were right at one point. However, I feel like mentioning a rim on a prior vehicle, that actually had the hub milled by factory off center just slightly. It was not quite bad enough to keep from getting the car off the lot, but that was mostly because it had something like a few ounces of balance weight glued to the inner rim to counter the fact. Though it seems irrelevant here, and can be dismissed entirely if I'm reading that the wheels balanced fine without the rings.

As for what or where to get new rings, I might suggest you go to a reputable aftermarket wheel shop and have them fit them. Just take the car in, tell them you want an estimate on new hub centric rings. You'll have exact size, and price, plus I'd kind of expect a warranty and recourse if it turned out that isn't the original problem.
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Old 04-05-2016, 12:54 PM
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Those look like they'd be pretty solid, but I could see a ring being somewhat squished by simply hitting a pothole hard enough. Not saying that's the case, but whatever the circumstance, I'd agree with trying a new set for what they cost. Otherwise, take a micrometer and measure the thickness around the ring until you find the bad one. I get the impression you had these wheels on there for some time now, so you know they were right at one point. However, I feel like mentioning a rim on a prior vehicle, that actually had the hub milled by factory off center just slightly. It was not quite bad enough to keep from getting the car off the lot, but that was mostly because it had something like a few ounces of balance weight glued to the inner rim to counter the fact. Though it seems irrelevant here, and can be dismissed entirely if I'm reading that the wheels balanced fine without the rings.

As for what or where to get new rings, I might suggest you go to a reputable aftermarket wheel shop and have them fit them. Just take the car in, tell them you want an estimate on new hub centric rings. You'll have exact size, and price, plus I'd kind of expect a warranty and recourse if it turned out that isn't the original problem.

I've tried several of shops.. They said my size is unheard of or too big of a size to be having to be on the shelves. So my best bet right know is special ordering them from this website.. The only two downside to that is there made of plastic and it will cost me $60 for all four rings
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Old 04-05-2016, 01:00 PM
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Tires can be out of round, or not properly seated on the rim (making them effectively out of round). I had a phantom vibration with new tires that nobody could find. But, I also had a slow leak in one of them. Unseating and reseating the tire solved the problem.
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Old 04-18-2016, 09:07 PM
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Does anyone know where I can order them? Or post a link? Thanks
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EBAY - 74.1 to 72.56mm, $7.50 including shipping. Copy and paste the below into the ebay browser and it should take you to the source. (BTW, they're metal and not plastic)


4 Hub Centric Aluminum Rings 74.1mm...


4 Hub Centric Aluminum Rings 74.1mm to 72.6mm | Hubcentric 74 - 72.56 fits BMW
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Old 04-19-2016, 09:14 AM
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Know any local machine shops, maybe you could get some made from stainless steel or something. Granted CNC time isn't free for many operators, so it could get pricey, but if that's what it comes to... Otherwise, maybe a racing/speed shop??
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Old 04-19-2016, 10:13 AM
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Check the rims they could be bent.


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Old 04-25-2016, 03:40 PM
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The shimmy has been solved! My stupid a** forgot to install the rear hub rings
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Old 05-02-2016, 03:57 PM
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The shimmy has been solved! My stupid a** forgot to install the rear hub rings
I'm late but good to hear you solved it.
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