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Old 08-24-2015, 03:07 PM
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Car Shut Down While Driving :(

Hey hey,

I was driving my daughter to school and getting off of the highway when the accelerator went out, and then slowly the power steering. Thank God, I was able to coast and park it.

I tried starting it and the engine cranks and wants to catch, but no dice. Funny thing, though, the lights, radio, and a/c work fine.

Any ideas on what this could be?

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Old 08-24-2015, 04:20 PM
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There are sooo many "E34 (chassis of your '95 525i) No Start" threads. First things to determine: 1) Does it have spark? 2) Does it have proper fuel pressure? Not sure how A/C works without the engine running, but I'll assume you meant was working or that the fan still comes on. Common known Achilles heal problems: Crank Position Sensor, Fuel Pump, Fuel Pump Fuse, Fuel Pump or DME relay failure(s). If can determine pump works, and that all seems well with the circuit, I'd suggest checking the resistance in your Crank Position Sensor. FWIW, according to my exposure, the two most common failpoints matching your description are the Crank Position Sensor and Fuel Pump.
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Old 08-25-2015, 05:57 AM
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Thanks for the reply. Each thread is nuanced and I'm looking for support on my particular situation. My car is in the shop and I like to have some idea as to what to expect. I should have taken shop as mechanics interests me. Cheers!
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Old 08-25-2015, 06:04 AM
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Make sure they truly identify the issue and don't just start throwing parts. One of the biggest tools in the arsenal, if you can call it that, to keep mechanics honest, is to tell them YOU want all replaced parts.
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Old 08-25-2015, 06:08 AM
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That's a good point, thanks. I will ask for the parts. Because my poor beemer is so old I've had it torn apart, which hurts because my dad gave me this car and it has sentimental value. On the bright side, this shop is really good and I'm hoping for the best.
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Old 08-25-2015, 09:07 AM
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So it looks like the fuel pump needs to be replaced and I've been quoted $900...your thoughts?
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Old 08-25-2015, 09:17 AM
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How mechanically inclined and equipped are you? That's what BMW quoted me. I did my own in 20 minutes, with a Bentley Manual (electronic version here) and a pump I purchased, Bosch OEM, online for around $300 (expected OEM price). But you can get them for much less.

Changing it involves lifting the carpet out of your trunk, taking a small access panel off, and removing the fuel sending unit. All from the top, nothing difficult or strange about it IMO.
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Old 08-25-2015, 09:25 AM
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OOps, here should be what you would expect: http://www.rmeuropean.com/Part-Numbe...EisT~5kyw.aspx


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I order from these guys all the time, OEM stuff, very reasonable if not better pricing than many other places when I'm searching.
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Old 08-25-2015, 09:32 AM
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Should have put this all in one reply, but I'm curious to see how your "really good shop" responds to "What is the price breakdown of the repair, and why is labor so high?" Especially since, it is literally no more than an hour job, IF your trunk is full of crap that needs moved.
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Old 08-25-2015, 09:41 AM
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This is all good info and I wish I could repair it on my own. I've had to order parts online and take them to the shop when my window got busted...I think they're either enthusiasts who want to preserve these great cars, or others who don't want to be bothered and/or will change an arm and a leg for it...
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Old 08-25-2015, 10:08 AM
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You'd know better than I would about your shop, but I took considerable offense to such a number. It's got to be a 15 minute job at best for a true mechanic. I'd want them to justify both the labor rate & duration. In the end, your comparison leaves me with two individuals that don't want my business. One, who's an enthusiast that rapes folks because it has BMW written on it, and another that as you put it, doesn't want the business. I've seen bills for fuel pump replacements that involved draining, and dropping a fuel tank off the car. Those bills still didn't climb to $600 in labor, and they easily should have.

I think the entire tool/materials list for this comes to a 1/4" ratchet, 6" extension, 6mm-13mm sockets, some wire clippers, couple wire ties (maybe), needle nose pliers, 1/4"-1/2" hose clamp, and the pump I linked (or one just like it with the pick-up screen included).

Edit... Wouldn't be a bad idea to expect a new fuel sending unit gasket. Such as: http://www.rmeuropean.com/Part-Numbe...DoIWIrUpA.aspx
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Old 08-25-2015, 12:01 PM
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Thanks again for your pushback. I did a quote estimate on *********** and the range is from $215-682. Even the high-end estimate is cheaper than what the shop quoted me. I think I'll have my beemer towed to another location...
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Old 08-25-2015, 12:18 PM
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Yeah, that shop was trying to take you for a ride. Seriously though, no boy toys, no girlfriends with boyfriends that have some tools and a tiny bit of mechanical aptitude? It shouldn't take $100 to such a fellow to get them to change it out for you. Hell, I'd do it for a bottle of Zyr or Kettle 1, if I were closer. If taking it to a shop is a must, consider asking the shop how much they charge to have the car towed to their shop. Often times, they'll do this for next to nothing since they're getting your business. Even if not, price shop the towing too. Might save, might break even, worth the time to me anyhow. That said, go with the middle of the road shop, if you want my opinion on that too. Cheap guy, may be fine, but sometimes they're completely unaware of something that the next step up guy is already on top of. Not to make it sound complicated, but you'd be surprised right... Ask, if you bring OEM part, will they simply change it? That saves you their markup, and takes any wonder out of getting exactly what you want. There are plenty of cheap options out there for pumps. Some that people never have another problem with, but that $100 difference in part cost, could leave you stranded somewhere needing a $100 tow...again.. Anyhow, you get the picture, happy to help.
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Old 08-25-2015, 12:50 PM
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This is why I love forums. Thank you. You've empowered me with this info. I'll ask around to see if I can get it replaced and I can definitely order the part...that said, the current shop did mention that replacing the fuel pump may not fix the power steering. Is that true? If the fuel pump goes out, does that affect the power steering and acceleration?
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Old 08-25-2015, 01:00 PM
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I got a breakdown of the costs:

Diagnostic $114
Labor $307
Parts $456
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Old 08-25-2015, 01:03 PM
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No fuel pump = no engine running = no power steering pump operation

So, if everything was fine, and the pump went out. Just worry about that for now. But since you brought it up, I am now in question as to whether or not the pump is actually the toasted part. It is not uncommon for the relay and/or fuse for the pump to fail. BMW got $100 out of me for the relay before I knew better. And it was the BMW dealership that told me the pump was bad. I ended up ordering the pump, changing it myself, and that wasn't the problem. It was the freaking relay. You really would be doing yourself a huge favor to probably have it towed to another shop to have it estimated. Again with the towing, sometimes they'll throw it in for less, when you have work done. Should you opt to not have work done, you just pay them for the tow and diagnosis time.

Might be worth your time to add the relay to your shopping list: http://www.rmeuropean.com/Part-Numbe...6-KP3uO-g.aspx

It may seem a bit intimidating but you could check to be sure about the relay and fuse yourself.
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Old 08-25-2015, 01:18 PM
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Okay. Sounds good.

Thankfully towing is included in my insurance and I get two free tows. I've talked to two additional shops and $900 is astronomical. To be continued!
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Old 08-25-2015, 01:19 PM
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I got a breakdown of the costs:

Diagnostic $114
Labor $307
Parts $456
Sweet lord... That's a lot of cheddar for diagnosis and labor. Even the part(s) look like they got the customary +200% treatment. They must really take you for a fool. If you still can, ask how they determined that the pump was bad? The details of their answer will tell the truth.

Show them the part, ask why it's so much for them, and tell them "you're welcome" for saving them so much. Then get your car out of there swiftly. You don't want them working out some "job security" on your car after the fact.

Flippin mechanics...

Back to that relay though, you seriously want to know if it's working.
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Old 08-25-2015, 04:01 PM
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I'm laughing at your response to the breakdown. I had the same reaction!

I stopped by the shop and kindly told them that I would have to tow to another shop. Earlier I asked if they would consider a payment plan and they refused, so I just explained that I can't afford their quote.

I also gave them the E39 driver window that a parts shop mistakenly sent me. This glass has been sitting in my trunk for a while. The receptionist was a bit surprised at my generosity (I explained that it was a misorder and if I kept it, it would go in the trash.) and thanked me. I made sure to be gracious and calm despite knowing that they were ripping me off because it looks as though they took apart my backseat and were rooting around to find a solution and I want them to put everything back and not be spiteful about it.

On the brighter side, a coworker referred me to his BMW mechanic and the lady was upfront about cost and very understanding. She quoted me at $415 for diagnostic, parts, and labor. I thiiiiiink I'll go there....and sign up for the shop class I've been meaning to take

Thanks for all of your help! I hope this thread helps someone else in the future.
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Old 08-25-2015, 04:08 PM
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Almost guarantee those moro.... people were expecting to drop the entire tank. Good for you getting it out of there, and not succumbing to their "Well lil lady, this is what it'll take, and these mullets don't trim themselves." Too bad you spent your generous token on them folks. Good luck with the next place.
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Old 08-27-2015, 09:56 AM
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Okay, to follow up, it looks like the fuel pump needs to be replaced, along with the seal. I told the second shop my first experience and feel confident that my car is in good hands! Thanks again, and the lesson learned is to shop prices if you can't do it yourself
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Very much appreciate the follow up. So many threads like this die with no definitive answer given. Nice for all those future wanderers looking for clues. Please do let us know when it's fixed to completely tie it off. Thanks again, and you're welcome as well.
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