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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 08-31-2014, 06:09 AM
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Old 08-31-2014, 06:16 AM
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Hey guys I have a green 97 bmw 528i and new to all this and was wondering if anyone could help me out as to why my 528i might be gutless when takein off like it's maybe outa time or overloading on fuel or not gettin enough spark but there's no miss in the motor accept a rough idle in neutral but it's steady


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Old 09-04-2014, 09:44 AM
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Welcome to Bimmerfest! I've moved your question over to the E39 5 series forum. Is your check engine light on? Get the engine codes read and report back.

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Old 09-04-2014, 10:22 AM
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Old 09-14-2014, 09:51 AM
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I got the code off a obd2 code reader is said fault code p1519 it said CPS problem but I replaced it brand new and it's still throwing my check engine light on and my car performs exactly the same no dofference what's so ever, so I had Orielleys print out plausible causes sheet and about 8 out of the 10 have to do with timeing issues so if that vanos controls the timeing then that's probly the issue I thought I replaced the vanos solenoid off of a wrecked 2001 bmw but it might have had a bad prong as well? I don't see any kind of leaking around it


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Old 09-14-2014, 10:09 AM
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I had to look up your code and came across this post by rfk900 & since this was such a perfect responce i figured i would post it for you because when this guy speaks one should pay attention.

P1519 is a function failure, not an*electrical*failure. It is saying that your intake cam is too far advanced while the VANOS is off.*

This is an example of why replacing the part named in the code often does not fix the problem. An analogy for this code would be you arrive at work first thing in the morning, and flip on the lights to your office. But the lights do not come on. As far you can tell, the*switch*moved, it *felt* normal, but it didn't do it's*job. So you report to building maintenance that you have a O-1345*light*switch*{ function / rationality / performance } failure. Does this mean the light switch is bad? Maybe, but not likely. It's probably something else, but you don't know what. So you are reporting exactly what you know. The switch seemed to work, but you didn't get the expected results when operating it.

To set the code, the cam has to be over 480 crank degrees for more than 2 seconds, engine above 680rpm, vanos off. And yes, this is a two-trip code. First start it will set as a pending code. Second start, it will flag as a full code and turn the light on.

Could it be a stuck VANOS? yes. Could it be a mistimed cam? Possible, but not likely. Could it be bad seals? yes. Could it be a lack of oil feed to the VANOS? errrrr..... possible. Most of these require pulling the VANOS and inspecting.
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Old 09-14-2014, 10:34 AM
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I had the same p1519 code, on my 1997 528i. I also tried changing the CPS even the Vanos electric solenoid. Still had the p1519 code. My fix was the replacing the Vanos seals. You will love the the performance.


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Old 09-14-2014, 11:16 AM
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What a great thread!! Hits the nail right on the head.

rfk900 and bartelbe to the rescue with a final confirmation by alex5er. And don't forget edjack's perfect recommendation.

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Old 09-14-2014, 02:54 PM
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Thank you! All you guys, GREAT Info. I will see what I can do and I will post my results so you all know thanks again!


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Old 09-15-2014, 05:26 AM
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Guy on here recently had similar issue upon take off, it was found to be a single bad coil pack or plug boot connection

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Old 09-15-2014, 08:46 AM
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Guy on here recently had similar issue upon take off, it was found to be a single bad coil pack or plug boot connection

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That will definitely make you lose power. but will most likely give you a misfire OBD code. P1519 is related to the Vanos system.


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Old 09-15-2014, 10:55 AM
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What kind sensore did you by?
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Old 09-15-2014, 04:36 PM
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Go here and compare symptoms: www.beisansystems.com

Look at the beisan system website for details on the Vanos seal. It's not a sensor.


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Old 09-15-2014, 06:13 PM
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Would vanos affect e39 performance to cause this however? The reason being, the manual e39s don't usually show a clear change in performance wether good or bad. Obviously this is touching on a slippery topic. None the less, for as expensive as the vanos rebuild might run, the issue ( although it's throwing that code) doesn't seem to match up to well to your standard bad vanos symptoms. Just my thoughts

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Old 09-18-2014, 08:46 AM
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Hey guys I went to my local salvage yard and pulled a vanos unit off a car out in the yard just like my with the single vanos not the double and I brought it home bought it for 20$ cuz they guys at the salvage yard didn't know what it was and it didn't change my cars performance in anyway shape or form you think I got a bad vanos off that car in the salvage yard? What are the odds? The new sensor I out on is the CPS sensor that hooks I to the bank I it on the side and the sensor didn't do anything as well I'm stumped once again any help would be greatful


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Old 09-18-2014, 09:13 AM
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What about the dtc code ?
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Old 09-18-2014, 09:17 AM
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Vanos is like a girlfriend having a gay dude friend that is decent look who your not quite sure is really gay. Not much you can do othere than get a new gf(vanos)

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Old 09-18-2014, 11:15 AM
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Might be about as bad as this thread bob

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Old 09-18-2014, 12:18 PM
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At this point where troubleshooting the code since it's a logical starting point. So if the dtc is still present then the op will need to dig further. If the dtc is no longer present and the performance issue is still a issue then we can start down that path. So could the original posters car have more then one issue ? Yes . @ Treven when you swapped the vanos did you take apart the original one two see if it could be the cause. Also did you inspect the timing gears, chains, tensioner and guides? Granted this all assuming that the junkyard vanos did not clear the code which i dont know why you decided to go this route considering the orings are what fail on the vanos piston and for about $40 you can replace them and know that the vanos is functioning properly. And one more qquestion. How long was the cel on compared to the lack of power? " Example; cel has been on for the last year but lack of power just started happening last week"
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Old 09-18-2014, 01:52 PM
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Most if not all OEM Vanos seals will fail sooner then latter. That's why the Vanos seals should be replace with non OEM seals. BMW Stealers will sell you the same seals that are known to fail and/or were out in 30,000 miles or so? You most likely put in a Vanos unit that was just as bad as yours.
Did you do the work yourself? Or had an Indy shop do it.
Change the seals.... Most Indy or mechanic that have some insight with BMW would have only r&r the vanos seals. (Maybe a used vanos unit if known to have new seals)
It sucks having to do this process twice. (Ask me how I know) but you will not get rid of the p1519 code. Until it done.



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As edjack said, go to beisansystems.com. It sounds to me like vanos seals.
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Old 09-18-2014, 03:27 PM
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I bought the car this way so when I test drove it it felt like the motor is strong at 3k Rpms and higher and I noticed it a bit doggy takein off but I just figured it would be an easy inexpensive fix like air filter fuel filter speak plugs, the basics and no check engine light was on after the second day of owning it then the check engine like came on and it was the same p1519 camshaft position sensor: engine oil quality temperature measurment sensor. My old Vanos had a crack in the threads where the vanos switch screws in this is why I bought an20$ used one from the salvage yard cuz regardless I coulda put 40$ into rings in my old vanos and it would still be ruint so therefor I got this used one for 20$ thinkin I could just change the rings in it for 40$. Anyway check engine light came back on and still the axact same codes just had the obd hooked to it 5 minutes ago


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Old 09-18-2014, 03:29 PM
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I did all the work myself, tooke about an hour to take off and another hour to put the other one back on


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Old 09-18-2014, 03:29 PM
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I like turning a wrench on a car so 2 hours of labor isn't nothing


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