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Old 02-13-2010, 09:13 AM
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I am hoping some 328i owners with >50K miles can help out here...

1- I know the E46 model required attention to the cooling system around 60-80K miles... is the E90 the same?
2- any problems with oil consumption?
3- what kind of gas mileage are you experiencing?
4- any things to look out for as I look at used (probably 2007) 328i's (manual, sport pkg)?
5- overall, how has reliability been compared to the E46... about the same or better?


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I am hoping some 328i owners with >50K miles can help out here...

1- I know the E46 model required attention to the cooling system around 60-80K miles... is the E90 the same?
2- any problems with oil consumption?
3- what kind of gas mileage are you experiencing?
4- any things to look out for as I look at used (probably 2007) 328i's (manual, sport pkg)?
5- overall, how has reliability been compared to the E46... about the same or better?


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my E90 2006 325i has about 60k miles on it and its been Problem free. I have not been to the Bmw service since the summer and it was for minor reasons. so im sure the 328i is problem free also.
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My E93 328i had 40,000 miles, no issues whatsoever.

My E90 328i has 10,000 miles, no issues whatsoever.

And does it matter? It's all covered under BMW warranty. Let the transmission blow and let the engine seize; they'll give me a loaner and replace what broke at no charge.

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1- I know the E46 model required attention to the cooling system around 60-80K miles... is the E90 the same?

Being an ex-e46'er myself, that's a darn good question. My guess is that the thermostat and electric (yup it's no longer belt driven) water pump probably should be replaced at 100K, though not many have reached that mileage yet, many who have had electric water pump failures

2- any problems with oil consumption?

not any different than the E46, some of the N52's have had noisy valve lifters when driven too much in the city and not enough highway miles. BMW claims it's normal

4- any things to look out for as I look at used (probably 2007) 328i's (manual, sport pkg)?

The 328i's N52 engine has been pretty much bulletproof

5- overall, how has reliability been compared to the E46... about the same or better?

They seem to have improved several of our E46 maladies: 1. No more stupid control arm/CAB replacements at 60K 2. Window regulators on the E9x seem to be MUCH MORE reliable than the E46. 3. They seem to have failed blower resistors just like the E46, unfortunately. 4. Stupid BMW took away the drain plug on the rear diff.
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My E93 328i had 40,000 miles, no issues whatsoever.

My E90 328i has 10,000 miles, no issues whatsoever.

And does it matter? It's all covered under BMW warranty. Let the transmission blow and let the engine seize; they'll give me a loaner and replace what broke at no charge.

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if those happened at 70 mph, do they give your life back too, when you die in one of those circumstances ?
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Damn BJ, you're flogging it? I have 13 months and have just under 10K miles.
I don't actually know the mileage; took a guess as I'm too lazy to go in the garage.

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if those happened at 70 mph, do they give your life back too, when you die in one of those circumstances ?


No, but your wife gets a Z8 which isn't bad.

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Old 02-14-2010, 06:25 PM
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My E93 328i had 40,000 miles, no issues whatsoever.

My E90 328i has 10,000 miles, no issues whatsoever.

And does it matter? It's all covered under BMW warranty. Let the transmission blow and let the engine seize; they'll give me a loaner and replace what broke at no charge.

BJ
It will matter to me as I'm planning to keep it for at least 90K miles. So, I'm curious about out-of-warranty experiences... it will help me decide if I should pay the premium for a CPO deal or buy from a private party.
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Old 02-14-2010, 06:28 PM
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1- I know the E46 model required attention to the cooling system around 60-80K miles... is the E90 the same?

Being an ex-e46'er myself, that's a darn good question. My guess is that the thermostat and electric (yup it's no longer belt driven) water pump probably should be replaced at 100K, though not many have reached that mileage yet, many who have had electric water pump failures

2- any problems with oil consumption?

not any different than the E46, some of the N52's have had noisy valve lifters when driven too much in the city and not enough highway miles. BMW claims it's normal

4- any things to look out for as I look at used (probably 2007) 328i's (manual, sport pkg)?

The 328i's N52 engine has been pretty much bulletproof

5- overall, how has reliability been compared to the E46... about the same or better?

They seem to have improved several of our E46 maladies: 1. No more stupid control arm/CAB replacements at 60K 2. Window regulators on the E9x seem to be MUCH MORE reliable than the E46. 3. They seem to have failed blower resistors just like the E46, unfortunately. 4. Stupid BMW took away the drain plug on the rear diff.
This is very helpful... appreciate the thorough response! Glad to hear about the CABs and window regulators.
I'm not much of DIY-er, but the E46 was easy enough to do some basic items... kind of bummed that the E90 series won't let me even check the oil, much less change some fluids.
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You do at least get a electronic gauge for oill

Its not just digital it gives a relative level but I do like having a dipstick as a backup.
You could tell how dirty the oil looked. Also I did have the Sensor for oil go out on the e46 and the dipstick told me I had no lack of oil.
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Old 02-16-2010, 07:39 PM
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I've been reading a bit about "pothole explosions"(?)... is this related to a particular model (i.e., XI's) or model year? Sounds like the suspension bottoms out on rough city surfaces-- is that an accurate description?
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I've been reading a bit about "pothole explosions"(?)... is this related to a particular model (i.e., XI's) or model year? Sounds like the suspension bottoms out on rough city surfaces-- is that an accurate description?
Typically found in cars with a sport package and or AWD.
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I have a non-ZSP model (although it is a wagon, which is not identical suspension to the sedan). I don't have pothole "explosions" but I also won't say the suspension is quiet over potholes. I do sometime hear a "bang" although it nowhere near as extreme as what is often described on this board.
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2006 325i with 74,564 miles here.

Problems:
1. Steering column will probably need replacing soon as I'm getting random error messages from the on board computer once-in-a-while. This is a known problem on these cars.
2. Trim piece will need to be replaced on my back windshield
3. Leatherette driver seat will need to be fixed for cracking
4. My starter makes weird noises 50% of the time (enough to make people look back and wonder why my car is making that noise)
5. Both my heated mirrors will need replacing because of weird corrosion behind the glass (approx. $150 ea. + labor)

Gas mileage varies between 25mpg and 30mpg depending on if I drive city or highway. Overall, I love my car but it needs a little more attention (maintenance) than other cars I have previously owned. Nothing drives like it on the road though so I could not go without it... =)

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I think just about any car needs attention to the cooling system around 60k miles. On my previous vehicle the thermostat housing leaked at about 75k miles. My thermostat blew on my vehicle before that at around the same time. On the other hand, my dad's 316i didn't need a new thermostat until something like 150k miles.

Most aggressive preventative maintenance plans will advise replacing the thermostat and housing at 60k miles, though most might wait a bit longer. Also, if you keep the car for a while, you may want to replace the plastic housing with a higher quality aftermarket one.

The issue with the N52 engine is that it will deform very quickly due to its light construction when overheating. Hence, overheating can easily kill the engine and investing a couple of $100's every 60k-80k miles to prevent this might just be good insurance.

I plan to "play it by ear" and will probably replace the thermostat and housing somewhere between 60k-80k miles, hoses at about 100-120k. Some even suggest getting a new radiator then...
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2006 325i with 74,564 miles here.

Problems:
1. Steering column will probably need replacing soon as I'm getting random error messages from the on board computer once-in-a-while. This is a known problem on these cars.

This is good to know, and the first time I'm hearing of this as a problem-- sounds like it might be an expensive repair... have you gotten a quote? I don't recall the E46 ever having this issue.
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I think just about any car needs attention to the cooling system around 60k miles. On my previous vehicle the thermostat housing leaked at about 75k miles. My thermostat blew on my vehicle before that at around the same time. On the other hand, my dad's 316i didn't need a new thermostat until something like 150k miles.

Most aggressive preventative maintenance plans will advise replacing the thermostat and housing at 60k miles, though most might wait a bit longer. Also, if you keep the car for a while, you may want to replace the plastic housing with a higher quality aftermarket one.

The issue with the N52 engine is that it will deform very quickly due to its light construction when overheating. Hence, overheating can easily kill the engine and investing a couple of $100's every 60k-80k miles to prevent this might just be good insurance.

I plan to "play it by ear" and will probably replace the thermostat and housing somewhere between 60k-80k miles, hoses at about 100-120k. Some even suggest getting a new radiator then...
Sounds fair-- with my E46, I did preventive maintenance and had no problem with the idea but I would have hoped that BMW would have installed more robust parts in a newer generation car (I've owned other makes and haven't had to replace some of the parts these cars require... though, those don't drive nearly as well).
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