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E63 / E64 6 Series (2003 - 2013)
The E63/E64 BMW 6 Series builds on BMW's sporty heritage with aggressive lines and an incredible motor to back the design up. Available in coupe and convertible trims with a standard 4.8 liter engine producing 360 horsepower and 360 lb-ft of torque, the 6-series is a popular choice that exceeds expectations.

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Old 04-07-2010, 07:08 PM
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07 650 i or m6? Any WOW factor?

Presently have 2008 335xi. Thinking of selling and getting an 07or 08 650i vert or 07-08 m6 vert. Like the idea of m6, but am afraid of the suspension being too stiff and i have heard mixed things about the smg tranny. In ny, there will be alot of times just driving in auto mode. So I am thinking maybe better off with a 650i, although its not faster then my present 335xi. I like the 335xi, but it has no WOW factor, I like some flash with my car, but 335xi handles great unless you hit a pothole, then it sounds like you blew a tire. Anyone trade up from a 335xi to 6 series, what did you like? what didnt you like?
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Old 04-07-2010, 07:31 PM
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maximum WOW with M6... but sometimes not practical if a daily driver... mpg is horrible as well as eventual maintenance costs...

but if you can afford it and want it, why not?
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Old 04-07-2010, 07:51 PM
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I upgraded from the 09 335i vert and got it chipped in Germany straight from the factory for well north of 380hp...but EVERYONE had one when I bought it to America! Who cared if it was fast as hell, you couldn't step on it w/o going to jail. I traded up for an 07 650i vert and now its ....can I get your phone numbers...now thats WOW...especially when the wife is coming out of Nordstroms when it happens. GET THE 650i VERT!
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Old 04-07-2010, 08:08 PM
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Honestly you'll be happy with either, the 6ers are great cars.

Test drive both if you can, I don't personally find the suspension too harsh on the m6 but I can easily see how someone would though. As for wow factor, your average person who doesn't know cars at all isn't going to see much of a difference between the m6 and the 650. Now when you push the gas a bit, then you'll hear the difference for sure.

As others have said the MPG in the m6 is low. I average 14-15 combined, and thats probably tilted more towards highway driving. I have seen single digits some tanks too but that was entirely my fault.
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Old 04-08-2010, 04:17 AM
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Life is short and there are no guaranties or warranties on mortality. So, what's wrong with a little WOW sometimes? Go for the M6 convertible!
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Old 04-08-2010, 06:08 AM
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Question SMG Tranny

For those of you with M6, how is the smg tranny in auto mode, there is a ton of traffic around here. Does the 650I have enough power and is ride vs handling good? Or does the suspension punish you, I also had the 2004 530i with sport package and it was pretty stiff. Funny thing is when I had a regular 328i as a loaner car I thought the ride was so much better then my 335xi, alothough the handling was not as good Trade offs I guess. Does the 650i have an adjustable suspension? What about the m6 suspension is it adjustable?
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Old 04-08-2010, 06:32 AM
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I don't have the M6, but I do have an SMG. It is nice to have, but does not shift like an automatic. I would say definitely drive a 6 with an SMG before making a decision. It's not for everyone. I like it, though. I've never driven an M6, but the 645 can be scary enough. I might not survive the M6.
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Old 04-08-2010, 06:34 AM
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Old 04-08-2010, 07:46 AM
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Honestly you'll be happy with either, the 6ers are great cars.

Test drive both if you can, I don't personally find the suspension too harsh on the m6 but I can easily see how someone would though. As for wow factor, your average person who doesn't know cars at all isn't going to see much of a difference between the m6 and the 650. Now when you push the gas a bit, then you'll hear the difference for sure.

As others have said the MPG in the m6 is low. I average 14-15 combined, and thats probably tilted more towards highway driving. I have seen single digits some tanks too but that was entirely my fault.
I love your analogy...

"As for wow factor, your average person who doesn't know cars at all isn't going to see much of a difference between the m6 and the 650. Now when you push the gas a bit, then you'll hear the difference for sure."

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Old 04-08-2010, 08:30 AM
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If you need WOW! Go with the M6. If you need a little wow and praticality, the do the 650. I live in NY and if I had the M6 I would be upset because I would have no use for it in the city (cannot unleash the full potential). Too much time wasted in traffic and gas mileage would hurt your pockets too. Notice how the cost of fuel is going up in the city?
I drove both and my impression of the SMG in the M6 was that its a bit rough on the low end but works nicely when you drive the car the way it's built to be driven, by pressigng into it and hearing the V10 beg for more . I settled with the 650 because it can hold it's own with the power it has plus it gives you the wow factor at the same time. My wife knows, she gets upset anytime I am heading out and she's not in the passenger seat
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Old 04-08-2010, 03:08 PM
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I don't have the M6, but I do have an SMG. It is nice to have, but does not shift like an automatic. I would say definitely drive a 6 with an SMG before making a decision. It's not for everyone.
I second this advice

The SMG auto mode is not smooth and still requires quite a bit of attention ... when i say it is not smooth I am referring to casual driving.

The SMG really is a transmission for the 'Manual' driver and there is a real learning curve to using it.
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Old 04-08-2010, 03:36 PM
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everytime an m6 passes me i say WOW!!!!
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Old 04-08-2010, 06:39 PM
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Well, besides the quad exhaust and the front bumper it's hard to tell the difference to the untrained eye. But if you're looking for speed then obviously you'd want to get the M6. But really where can you use 500 horses? There are plenty of people on this board with 645s and 650s that have purchased M6 body kit,quad exhaust, side mirrors and other little things to make it look exactly like an M6. They'll never get the 500 horses but if you're going for the looks you can do it a lot cheaper. Thats just my two cents.
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Old 04-08-2010, 07:01 PM
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ok test drove a 2008 650, was pretty nice felt a little slow compared to my 335xi, but defnelty a better ride, not as stiff, but handling was not as sharp, tough decision, better ride , better looks, maybe a touch less speed, a couple notches down in handling, but smoother quieter and seats more comfortable, looks nice with the top down. I can get it for 55k cpo white vert with 16k in miles, in great shape. I think the price is pretty good with plenty of warranty left my 2008 335xi, already has 36k in miles. any opinions?
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Old 04-08-2010, 07:19 PM
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How much will u save if u went with the 650i instead of the M6?
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Old 04-08-2010, 07:50 PM
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Driven both and could afford both, but went 650i as the looks are unnoticeable to the untrained eye and the M6 is not as driver-friendly (SMG and MPG). You won't be able to use the HP the 650i has, nevermind the M6.....don't get me wrong, I still turn my head when I see or hear an M6, but for me, the 650i is good enough! Good luck - either way, you can't go wrong!
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Old 04-09-2010, 05:25 AM
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Main difference is I can get a 2008 650i cpa for the price of a 2007 m6 non cpo. the 2008 only has 16k, mileage on 2007 m6 is about 25k- 30k
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Old 04-09-2010, 06:15 AM
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ok test drove a 2008 650, was pretty nice felt a little slow compared to my 335xi, but defnelty a better ride, not as stiff, but handling was not as sharp, tough decision, better ride , better looks, maybe a touch less speed, a couple notches down in handling, but smoother quieter and seats more comfortable, looks nice with the top down. I can get it for 55k cpo white vert with 16k in miles, in great shape. I think the price is pretty good with plenty of warranty left my 2008 335xi, already has 36k in miles. any opinions?
I think you hit the pros and cons of switching the vehicles pretty well. I loved my 07 335i with the biggest downside being the hard ride otherwise I found it more of a 'driver's car' then my 650.

To give you an idea, I switch off on a regular basis between the 650 and my MB C350. When I get into the C350 I am always amazed how much more it feels in touch with the road and responses as far as the steering and handling just feel more like a drivers car. Now we all know the 335i takes that great in touch feel to the next level so the difference would be even greater.

The 650 to me feels like a luxury GT Cruiser (with a nice burble from the engine I might add) with good handling when pushed hard while the 335i is a sedan that feels almost sports car like.

BTW my idrive in my 07 650 responds much slower than it did in my 07 335i, I don't know if it has a different version of the software but I really find it frusterating.
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Maybe because I've owned a 645Cic, 650i, and M6, the 6 and the M6 do appear different to me. It's not just the front and rear bumpers, quad exhausts, and badging; the stance of the cars are different too. But none of that is the reason why to prefer one to the other. In my opinion, that preference boils down to something more personal. After having driven and thoroughly enjoyed the 6, I was curious how such a great car could be even better; so, I tested the M6...and WOW! I was almost laughing at the MPG comparisons here between the 6 and the M6. Yes, the M6 can really drink up the stuff if you're not careful; but the 6 isn't a miser when it comes to drinking the gas either. Let's be honest, we don't buy and drive these cars worrying about gas mileage. Our taste for these cars is much more visceral than that. It is pleasure and fun that we're seeking from these cars. We're looking for a relationship between car and road that can border at the extremes of control. Now, common sense factors in this regard can include maintenance, tyres, and insurance; but gas mileage...not really.
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Old 04-09-2010, 08:23 AM
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The interior of the M6 is far nicer than the 650 too.

That said, while I was interested in moving to an M6 awhile ago (especially when you could purchase a CPO for less than $50k) and looked very hard at one, drove it overnight. The power is addicting but I found the ride to be rougher than my 645. If I were going to track the car, the M6 would be my choice but I won't track an expensive car. I don't drag race either, street or strip. I do enjoy corner carving and the 645 with the 19s pulls .91gs. It's all about what you enjoy. For the price, either the 650 or the M6 are bargains for the price. I prefer my 645 for my driving style and it gets decent mileage (23 MPG).
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ok test drove a 2008 650, was pretty nice felt a little slow compared to my 335xi, but defnelty a better ride, not as stiff, but handling was not as sharp, tough decision, better ride , better looks, maybe a touch less speed, a couple notches down in handling, but smoother quieter and seats more comfortable, looks nice with the top down. I can get it for 55k cpo white vert with 16k in miles, in great shape. I think the price is pretty good with plenty of warranty left my 2008 335xi, already has 36k in miles. any opinions?
Felt alil slow wow.. did they let u hit all the fun buttons that release the beast within. 6 is no slouch.
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Felt alil slow wow.. did they let u hit all the fun buttons that release the beast within. 6 is no slouch.
My thoughts exactly. I wondered, as I read that post, whether they had engaged the "Sport" button.
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Yes hit the sport button and put the tranny in sport mode. Maybe the 650i is just smoother and you dont feel the speed as much as compared to the 335xi in sport mode which has more feel to it. The dealer wants 57k for 2008 vert cpo with sport comfort access , cold weather and i think upgraded sound. They are frim on the price car has 16k price seems a little high, but new tires and car is immaculate. Tough choice i still enjoy driving my 335. I think I am a car addict since I sold my 530i in 2007 i have had a mercedes sl500 for 9 months used. Hated it and bought the 335xi, 2 years ago, and now looking at another car. Maybe i have a disease. aslo drove a jag xkr, awesome look car but sterering feel is not there as well as handling, but real nice looking, maybe a nicer look then the bmw vert, but the bmw drives better. Both are nice but the jag turns heads, oh well the 2010 jag is 100k. too much for me. So i ponder over the 2008 650i vert white with beige interior, the HUD is cool.
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get yourself the M6, sounds like you're the kind of guy who won't be happy unless you get maximum power and performance... if you get the 650i, you'll probably end up trading that for an M6 at some point...

ultimately get what ever makes you happy... if the 335xi is good enough, then stick with it...

also with the 650i if you did not reset the transmission for the test drive, it will feel slow/different...

test drive it again after resetting the tranny...

1. press start button but don't step on brake (car turns on but does not start)
2. step on gas pedal to the max beyond the limiter and hold for 45 seconds or longer..
3. start the engine and drive like you want to...

don't forget to engage the sport mode

the 650i is a bit aggressive/jerky in sport mode and low speeds, but will snap your neck back if that's what you're looking for....
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Old 04-11-2010, 09:08 AM
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You may be right it said DS was on in the dashboard where it tells you what gear To bew honest just leery of the SMG tranny in the m6, i do drive in alot of traffic sometimes so I heard it can be quite jerky, also do you know if the M6 sus pension is adjustable, meaning a sport mode do it, or does it just come one way? If you can adjust the suspension you could get the best of both worlds.
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