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Old 04-12-2010, 12:47 PM
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Brake Rotor Replacement on '08 535i

I recently took my '08 535i to the dealer for what I thought was to be a simple front light bulb replacement, and a check of some slight squeaking I heard in my brakes. It turned out I needed all four brake pads, rotors and wear sensors replaced because the dealer found that all four brake wear sensors were rubbing on the rotors. I thought this was a little unusual since I already had brake pads replaced once before and I never had any brake warning before taking it in this time. The car currently has 35K miles.

In addition, the dealer changed the oil and filter, performed a spark plug and intake silencer service, added winshield washer fluid and antifreeze, replaced the front light bulb and did a 27 point vehicle inspection, all under the maintenance warranty.

Has anyone else ever experienced the problem with the brake sensors and rotors? Could this be considered normal maintenance?

Thanks.
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It is really unusual in a sense because there are only 2 brake pad wear sensors on a 2008 535i... one on the drivers side front, inboard pad, and one on the passenger rear inboard pad.

Until a wear sensor wears through completely and breaks the circuit that triggers the warning indicator, it can be rubbing on the rotor and making noise.

Its unlikely that both front and rear wear sensors would start rubbing at the same time, but its not out of the realm of possibility depending on when the pads and sensors were last replaced. Front pads & rotors wear much faster than rear pads and rotors because the bulk of braking is done by the fronts.
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Thanks jesimmons. I am probably wrong on the number of sensors replaced.
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FYI... I've read that some folks have had pads replaced at 17-20K miles... So for you to need a second set of pads/rotors at 35K miles is not unheard of. It all depends on how much braking you do and how agressive you brake. If you do mostly highway driving, pads and rotors can last a lot of miles.
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I recently took my '08 535i to the dealer for what I thought was to be a simple front light bulb replacement, and a check of some slight squeaking I heard in my brakes. It turned out I needed all four brake pads, rotors and wear sensors replaced because the dealer found that all four brake wear sensors were rubbing on the rotors. I thought this was a little unusual since I already had brake pads replaced once before and I never had any brake warning before taking it in this time. The car currently has 35K miles.

In addition, the dealer changed the oil and filter, performed a spark plug and intake silencer service, added winshield washer fluid and antifreeze, replaced the front light bulb and did a 27 point vehicle inspection, all under the maintenance warranty.

Has anyone else ever experienced the problem with the brake sensors and rotors? Could this be considered normal maintenance?

Thanks.

The warranty coverage of BMW is amazing.
That being said, it soulds like most of these problems should not happen at 35K miles.

Maybe the guy that said these cars are money pits is correct.
Hope not.
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The warranty coverage of BMW is amazing.
That being said, it soulds like most of these problems should not happen at 35K miles.

Maybe the guy that said these cars are money pits is correct.
Hope not.
Yep... under the 4-year free maintenance program, most dealers seem very good about taking care of covered items. I took mine in for a service indicator triggered oil change several months before the car was 2 years old... They went ahead and did all the 2-year maintenance items at the same time to save me having to schedule another service appointment.
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I recently took my '08 535i to the dealer for what I thought was to be a simple front light bulb replacement, and a check of some slight squeaking I heard in my brakes. It turned out I needed all four brake pads, rotors and wear sensors replaced because the dealer found that all four brake wear sensors were rubbing on the rotors. I thought this was a little unusual since I already had brake pads replaced once before and I never had any brake warning before taking it in this time. The car currently has 35K miles.

In addition, the dealer changed the oil and filter, performed a spark plug and intake silencer service, added winshield washer fluid and antifreeze, replaced the front light bulb and did a 27 point vehicle inspection, all under the maintenance warranty.

Has anyone else ever experienced the problem with the brake sensors and rotors? Could this be considered normal maintenance?

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I am planning ot purchase the 100K warranty after reading about the problems,and how these probems are covered.
I have 28K on my 08. Your car is very close to mine.. color and options.
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Yep... under the 4-year free maintenance program, most dealers seem very good about taking care of covered items. I took mine in for a service indicator triggered oil change several months before the car was 2 years old... They went ahead and did all the 2-year maintenance items at the same time to save me having to schedule another service appointment.
Yes, I thought it was great that my dealer performed all the other maintenance especially since I only expected to have a light bulb replaced. My SA said the work performed would have cost over $2,000.00 had the car not been under warranty. He also said 4 out of 5 customers considering an extended warranty elect to purchase extended maintenance coverage.

By the way, almost all of my driving is in the city, so that probably explains the brake and rotor issue. Thanks again jesimmons.
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Yes, I thought it was great that my dealer performed all the other maintenance especially since I only expected to have a light bulb replaced. My SA said the work performed would have cost over $2,000.00 had the car not been under warranty. He also said 4 out of 5 customers considering an extended warranty elect to purchase extended maintenance coverage.

By the way, almost all of my driving is in the city, so that probably explains the brake and rotor issue. Thanks again jesimmons.
I am under 30K miles now, but plan to purchase a cantract before reaching 50K.
Are there different options?
Is there an extended warranty and also extended maintenance coverage?
2 different items?

Also where is the best place to buy this coverage?
the local dealer?
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I am under 30K miles now, but plan to purchase a cantract before reaching 50K.
Are there different options?
Is there an extended warranty and also extended maintenance coverage?
2 different items?

Also where is the best place to buy this coverage?
the local dealer?
Yes.... extended warranty and extended maintenance are different. Extended warranties can be purchased from BMW or independent warranty provider, but you have to be really careful when choosing. BMW may cost more, but will likely stand behind it. Some aftermarket warranty providers will do their best to avoid paying claims or will figure out ways to exclude some costly repairs. Not to mention they may not even be in business for the long haul. That said, there are some really good extended warranty programs out there. I haven't really started looking yet, but probably will in the next 12 months.

Extended maintenance mainly covers routine scheduled maintenance items and consumables (oil, filters, brake fluid changes, brake pads, rotors, etc.). Many of these things can be done DIY or at an independent BMW shop. For some it's worth it to buy extended maintenance... for a DIY'er like me, perhaps not.
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Yes.... extended warranty and extended maintenance are different. Extended warranties can be purchased from BMW or independent warranty provider, but you have to be really careful when choosing. BMW may cost more, but will likely stand behind it. Some aftermarket warranty providers will do their best to avoid paying claims or will figure out ways to exclude some costly repairs. Not to mention they may not even be in business for the long haul. That said, there are some really good extended warranty programs out there. I haven't really started looking yet, but probably will in the next 12 months.

Extended maintenance mainly covers routine scheduled maintenance items and consumables (oil, filters, brake fluid changes, brake pads, rotors, etc.). Many of these things can be done DIY or at an independent BMW shop. For some it's worth it to buy extended maintenance... for a DIY'er like me, perhaps not.

Thanks for the info.
I can fly a single engine airplane,but can not fix anything.
No DIY skills.
I will buy both plans from my local Dealer.

I'm at 29K miles now.
Seems logical to wait to buy at 49K miles.
Or is there a reason to buy it now?
Do they discount the 100K mile plans if you buy early?
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This is my next real thing to research with this car.
Probably much more important than anything.
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Just like in the casino, insurance is usually a sucker bet...Make good friends with an independent who specializes in BMW and maybe you'll find that maintenance isn't expensive enough to warrant that warranty (pardon the pun)

And remember that no matter what price the dealer quotes you, you can almost always find it cheaper on the street!!
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Just like in the casino, insurance is usually a sucker bet...Make good friends with an independent who specializes in BMW and maybe you'll find that maintenance isn't expensive enough to warrant that warranty (pardon the pun)

And remember that no matter what price the dealer quotes you, you can almost always find it cheaper on the street!!

I have no experience buying this coverage on the street.
Where escept the BMW dealership,can extended warranty be purchased?
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I have no experience buying this coverage on the street.
Where escept the BMW dealership,can extended warranty be purchased?
There are a lot of companies offering extended warranties. Search the forums here for threads on what other Bimmer owners have bought and their experiences with repair claims. Lots of info if you google "extended auto warranties". But before plunking down any $$, be sure to do due diligence on the selected company offering coverage. And read all the fine print to make sure you understand what is/is not covered - and whether they will allow the use of non OEM repair parts, etc. With modern BMW's, one of the most expensive areas to have repaired / replaced are all the electrical / computer systems. Many extended warranties don't cover that (or only include it in the most expensive tier of coverage). A little water leakage into the trunk (where many of the electrical components are housed) and next thing you're looking at is a multiple $K repair.

This struck me as being a good source of information to start: http://www.consumerautomotiveresearc...FYwM2godgVE0uA
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Thanks jesimmons.
Will do the reseach now,well before 50K miles.

From what I have read, these cars are high maintenance,and expensive.
I had no idea.
I just test drove a few other hi-end 4 door sedans,and the 535i Sport was the clear driving winner.
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Just like in the casino, insurance is usually a sucker bet...Make good friends with an independent who specializes in BMW and maybe you'll find that maintenance isn't expensive enough to warrant that warranty (pardon the pun)

And remember that no matter what price the dealer quotes you, you can almost always find it cheaper on the street!!
+1

90% of the time, the advice on this board is exclusive of one of the most important determinants - cost!
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I was told you could buy a toyota warranty
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For the past 4 years, I only purchase vehicles, that are 1-2 years old. Never considered purchasing a warranty.
However, an extended warranty with this car seems to be a must have.
Then again, insurance companies are profitable companies, meaning on average the collect more than thay pay out.
But, a BMW could be a different story. These cars seem to break often from what i have read.
Didn't completely know what I was getting into.
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It is an interesting decision. Knowing I keep cars 6-10 years and don't put high miles on any car (8K a year being typical), I figured the BMW would hold up well for that long. After all, at 8K a year I wouldn't hit 100K miles for 12 years and I've never had a car of any kind NOT go 100K miles without major problems except for a Toyota Supra of all things.

And in spite of the fact that my 535i has only seen the dealer for oil and filter changes in 2 years (I may be one of the lucky few), I still am nervous about holding onto it for 6-10 years without extended warranty coverage, knowing now how much parts and labor can be on these cars for major repairs - and those costs will only go up in the out years.

On the other hand, I may just wait and see what the F10 looks like in the next 2-3 years and just abandon my 6-10 target on the E60 535i and trade up to a 2nd or 3rd model year F10 if it has fewer reliability issues.

Decisions Decisions.....
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I figured the BMW would hold up well for that long.
I've never had a car of any kind NOT go 100K miles without major problems except for a Toyota Supra of all things.

And in spite of the fact that my 535i has only seen the dealer for oil and filter changes in 2 years (I may be one of the lucky few), I still am nervous about holding onto it for 6-10 years without extended warranty coverage, knowing now how much parts and labor can be on these cars for major repairs - and those costs will only go up in the out years.

On the other hand, I may just wait and see what the F10 looks like in the next 2-3 years and just abandon my 6-10 target on the E60 535i and trade up to a 2nd or 3rd model year F10 if it has fewer reliability issues.
Decisions Decisions.....
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I expected no less quality problems than the 2 other CTS's I sold.
If anything I expected less problems with BMW.

Now that I have it,Im thinking this car will be sold before it hits 100K miles.
Too many stories of serious issues.
I don't even want to go to the dealership for small problems.
I expected quality,and reliability.
Jury is still out.
I love the car so far.
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And in spite of the fact that my 535i has only seen the dealer for oil and filter changes in 2 years (I may be one of the lucky few), I still am nervous about holding onto it for 6-10 years without extended warranty coverage, knowing now how much parts and labor can be on these cars for major repairs - and those costs will only go up in the out years.
I should start out by saying that my '07 650 is the most trouble-free car I've ever owned. And that's a lot of cars, mostly BMWs. OTOH, my '08 535 is tied with my '01 allroad as the most trouble-prone car I've ever owned. I attribute this to the M54 motor b/c that's the essential difference between the two cars. The 535 is on it's third HPFP, and was just returned after two weeks at the dealer for a new bank 2 turbo assembly (incl wastegate and actuator) and bank 1 actuator. I thought that I was in for another HPFP when the "reduced power" message came on, but in this case, at 49.7k mi (!!!), it was a vacuum fault traced to the turbos. BMW and the dealer have responded to all problems in exemplary fashion, so no issues there.

Which brings me to the issue of extended warranties. Never considered one until I experienced the breathtaking unreliability of the allroad. I went with an exclusionary bumper-to-bumper 100k mi policy which I purchased from Great American after reading a strong endorsement on Audi World. The cost was about $1800 for a $25 deductible policy in 2005. Subsequently, three warranty incidents cost me $75 for over $13k (!!!) worth of repairs. The company never hesitated on a claim, so I went with them again for the 535. The cost was about $2.7k for 100k mi/3yrs with similar bumper-to-bumper coverage. BTW, I read the policy and spoke directly to the company (not to the broker) to make certain that iDrive issues are covered. This is purely anecdotal, not statistical, so YMMV.

The 535 is a great car when operating properly, but a PITA when it comes to issues with the direct injection M54 motor, at least for me. Even with warranty protection, I may get rid of it much sooner than the expiry date if it continues to have problems. In any case, I won't keep it more than 100k mi. I hope to have it long enough to see how well the F10 with the M55 motor fairs reliability-wise. I'd like to do another ED--both the 650 and 535 are ED cars.

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Thanks Spyder! Your experience legitimizes my own concerns.

SO we've effectively turned a thread about brake pads and rotors into a discussion of extended warranties.

To the OP.... my apologies for going OT. It was an interesting side trip.
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Thanks Spyder! Your experience legitimizes my own concerns.

SO we've effectively turned a thread about brake pads and rotors into a discussion of extended warranties.

To the OP.... my apologies for going OT. It was an interesting side trip.
I'm guilty of the same thing.
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I guess that I should've read the damn title of the thread before I posted

But, I am about to change the rotors and pads--the new ones have been sitting in my garage for months--on my 535 if that's any help

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One thing leads to another on these threads. Questions seem to be answered,so no real harm.
I feel like I have been driving a PC all my life and this BMW is a MAC.
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