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X5 E70 (2007 - 2013)
E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 11-06-2013, 05:41 PM
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Old 11-06-2013, 06:30 PM
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I probably wouldn't, given the mileage but if I were to, I would definitely go with the 4.8i hands down.
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Old 11-06-2013, 06:39 PM
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I probably wouldn't, given the mileage but if I were to, I would definitely go with the 4.8i hands down.
thx for the feedback. ref mileage - what don't I know? do E70s not last 300k miles like other BMWs (assuming I take care of it)?
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Old 11-06-2013, 08:57 PM
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thx for the feedback. ref mileage - what don't I know? do E70s not last 300k miles like other BMWs (assuming I take care of it)?
The 300k mile BMW ended with free (aka pre-paid) maintenance, 15k mile oil change intervals, and lifetime fluids - all introduced in model year 1997. Even the oldies were not necessarily defect free or cheap to maintain with age (I have had a few...) but they drove well. Newer BMW's probably have tougher mechanicals and would last with the old fashioned maintenance schedule, but they also have not gotten simpler or cheaper to keep on the road.
If you're looking for durability, less electric garbage, and no matter what, German V8's are more expensive to maintain long term than the 6 pots.
These are probably still young enough to extend life with realistic old school maintenance, but the 3.0i is likely going to be cheaper in the long term. That V8 has two very expensive issues: coolant pipe o ring in the valley of the engine and the valve stem seals.
If you want a bullet proof 300k mile SUV, get a Honda Pilot.
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Old 11-06-2013, 11:12 PM
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@FredoinSF - good stuff! this is what I was wondering about - what are the common mileage markers and costs for the 2 known issues you mention? Any others you can share?

The Honda idea is interesting. I made the mistake of driving a BMW once ... now I can't go back ...

My BMW reference point is late 70s / early 80s 3- and 5-series sedans while living in EU in early 90's. I've also noticed the same thing since the introduction of the pre-paid 'maintenance free warranty' model and was hoping I am wrong. Oh well ...

Why do I keep reading about people who are hesitant to own a BMW 'off warranty'?? I bought a loaded E39 w/ 144k miles in 2009 for $5k cash and it just hit 199k miles; it has been the lowest TCO vehicle I've ever owned and plan to run it for another 50-100k miles.

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Old 11-07-2013, 04:44 AM
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There are a few pre-LCI 4.8i's over on xbimmers that look pretty attractive compared to the deals you've posted. Some slightly older MY, but some with fewer mileage, and enthusiast owned, which I always prefer.

I test drove a 3.0i when I started looking for a new SUV. Unfortunately it felt like a complete dog to me. I'm used to a pretty modded 135i and Honda S2000, but to be frank, there's almost no reason I would want to drive that thing over my wife's '11 Sienna XLE - which was kind of the whole point of this purchase. The dealer I went to didn't have any 4.8s on the lot, but the specs say it's still a tick slower than the newer x35i to 60mph, and I think my x35i is quick but not downright spritely. It probably depends on how long you plan to own this car for - if a long time, the 3.0 is certainly going to be a lot cheaper over time. If you only plan on using it 10k miles a year for 2-3 years, I'd definitely go for the 4.8.

Overall, I'd keep looking. Here are a couple forum cars to compare:

http://www.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=814017

http://www.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=892170

http://www.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=906156

the first one there looks like a really good deal if you don't mind a bit more mileage. One of the guys in that thread had just sold his higher mileage 4.8 for $23k, so the deals are out there.
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Old 11-07-2013, 09:18 AM
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@FredoinSF - good stuff! this is what I was wondering about - what are the common mileage markers and costs for the 2 known issues you mention? Any others you can share?

The Honda idea is interesting. I made the mistake of driving a BMW once ... now I can't go back ...

My BMW reference point is late 70s / early 80s 3- and 5-series sedans while living in EU in early 90's. I've also noticed the same thing since the introduction of the pre-paid 'maintenance free warranty' model and was hoping I am wrong. Oh well ...

Why do I keep reading about people who are hesitant to own a BMW 'off warranty'?? I bought a loaded E39 w/ 144k miles in 2009 for $5k cash and it just hit 199k miles; it has been the lowest TCO vehicle I've ever owned and plan to run it for another 50-100k miles.
My lowest cost per mile was my 91 318is. Slow but fun and fairly bullet proof. Ditched it 245k to a college student who drove it at least 3 to 4 more years.
I think there are two camps of BMW owners those who are looking at monthly payments as their total expenditure for the car (gas, insurance, and registration excepted of course) and those who buy them used, sometimes well used, and plan on keeping knowing it will take maintenance and repairs. Sounds like you're in the latter camp. I used to only be able to only afford the high miles ones and most were great. I've special ordered three new ones, done Euro Delivery (best car delivery ever!), and also bought several low mileage used (20k or less), get them on proper maintenance I tend to hold on to the ones I enjoy and flip the ones I don't. I am flying without a net (aka warranty) on two BMWs and a MINI and no issues.

On the 4.8, search the 7 (E62 i think) and 6 series forums. Same and only motor. The two issues I mentioned can hit as early as 40k miles, some never have a problem. Those two items are really the only major problems that come up on the 6 series forum, other than questions about why the 22inch tires are rubbing...

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Old 11-07-2013, 04:41 PM
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There are a few pre-LCI 4.8i's over on xbimmers that look pretty attractive compared to the deals you've posted. Some slightly older MY, but some with fewer mileage, and enthusiast owned, which I always prefer.

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Good advice in this thread. I second the idea of NOT buying from a dealer. Remember they piad 20% -25% less than asking price, find an owner that want to get out of their loved X5. At 70k+ miles you are not getting a warranty, why use a dealer??? Seriously.

The 300k BMW is a rarer breed. I have 170k on my E39, but it takes $$ to keep them in top shape. Remember, while a used car may cost a frqction of new, repair costs are 100%. (ie a tranny on a 2009 x5 will be the same as a tranny on a 2012....) Having said that I personally dont mind the investment of my DIY labor and a few $ for parts to keep these fine cars running. But again if you are paying these cars can bleed you. Maybe, maybe not.

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Old 11-07-2013, 07:13 PM
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Both are at a vintage where you will either be the victim of deferred maintenance and careless ownership, or you will be the lucky winner of the used BMW lotto. At this price point, cost of entry is almost irrelevant compared to the repairs you might have ahead, so spending lots of time on due diligence (service records, PPI) is a must. If it feels funny, walk away.

The 4.8i ad is annoying as it smacks of the now typical BMW dealer online listings that list the same options more than once. Makes you think you are seeing double. But I don't see Sport Pack on either. Search "adaptive drive" on this board and spend the requisite days reading up. CARFAX? Don't trust it as true. Just a data point.

The 3.0i doesn't seem like a deal at all and was a dealer lot car at the beginning of life (tell-tale minimal options but of course running boards for some bling). Comfort seats are unusual though so maybe there's more to it than listed.
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Old 11-09-2013, 01:09 PM
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Thanks all. You confirmed my thoughts. Cheers!
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