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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 04-25-2010, 07:07 PM
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Weird Noise from Engine!

Hello,
I just picked up a 2000 BMW 528i with 188,000 mile from a guy at work for $1,000.
It had some issues with car overheating while the car is idling due to new radiator that was replaced by a non-bmw shop they didn't bleed the coolant. So reading the thread post I bleed the system and the car no longer over heats. But now I have a new problem –
I have attached a vid link below – can't seem to figure out what the noise is coming from….


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Old 04-25-2010, 07:13 PM
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i dont know much about this stuff but is that what they refer to as the ccv whistle?
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Old 04-25-2010, 07:21 PM
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i dont know much about this stuff but is that what they refer to as the ccv whistle?
is it a big deal to drive the car with ccv whistle?
it sounds like it's coming from the left side of the car... right between the MAF and throttle body..
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Old 04-25-2010, 07:38 PM
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Power steering pump??? If the noise is from mechanical parts, you can use a mechanic's stethoscope ($10 from autostores) to locate the its origin.
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Old 04-25-2010, 08:11 PM
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I was leaning torwards the power steering pump since the steering wheel is really stiff and I did notice that the power steering fluid had leaked in past. This is my first BMW! so never know what is wrong
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Old 04-25-2010, 08:46 PM
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I was leaning torwards the power steering pump since the steering wheel is really stiff and I did notice that the power steering fluid had leaked in past. This is my first BMW! so never know what is wrong
I just replaced the two hoses to my powering steering reservoir and lost a lot of ATF in the process. Had a similar noise when I first restarted the engine until the PS pump got some fluid supplied to it. So I would also vote for PS pump cavitation noise.
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Old 04-25-2010, 09:22 PM
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oh man, if your power steering atf ran out and you starved your ps pump, i hope it didnt overheat and get damaged
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Old 04-25-2010, 10:32 PM
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Did you check the fluid level? Leaks in BMW power steering hoses are very common with over 60k mi.
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Old 04-26-2010, 02:24 AM
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ATF level is good! The hose that is on bottom of the car (all most "U" shap) going from left to right left looked like that got damaged by privouse owner. There lots of old/dried up ATF on the undercarriage of the car. I don't see any freash ATF leaks!
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Old 04-26-2010, 05:28 PM
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is there a way to bleed the powersteering system? can somone point me how to do it?
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Old 04-26-2010, 05:42 PM
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is there a way to bleed the powersteering system? can somone point me how to do it?
All I did with mine was crank the steering wheel back and forth a bit with the engine running and the transmission in "park." Noise went away...shut down engine and topped off reservoir to line on dipstick. No more noise and steering effort normal.
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Old 04-27-2010, 07:09 AM
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Sounds like a CCV valve gone bad to me---when the engine was cut off, the ccv lost vacuum pressure
and you can hear the difference in the sound--sorta like someone playing one note on a sax
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Old 04-27-2010, 02:01 PM
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sounds like a ccv valve gone bad to me---when the engine was cut off, the ccv lost vacuum pressure
and you can hear the difference in the sound--sorta like someone playing one note on a sax
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Old 04-27-2010, 05:57 PM
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Yes it sounds like saxaphone! Powersteering fluids and everything else checks out! Now the ccv valve how much labor am I talking? What happens if I run the car with a bad ccv valve is this something that needs to be done rightaway? Or can I wait few weeks?

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Old 04-27-2010, 07:10 PM
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If it gets bad enough--the valve will allow oil to be sucked into the cylinders while the engine is running and then hydrolock the engine--yes that can be bad--I would make the change out as soon as possible.
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Old 04-27-2010, 07:25 PM
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told you it sounded like the ccv x_X.
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Old 04-28-2010, 04:25 AM
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told you it sounded like the ccv x_X.
yes, you did.. I was just hoping that the past ATF leak would have been a easy fix...so is it a big job to do?
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Old 04-28-2010, 05:27 AM
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It's a good 3 hours---there are many DIY's on this procedure and I'm going to make this suggestion--
Buy the ccv and the hose's that go with it Vanos seals and also valve cover gasket and oil filter housing gasket
You can do all of these jobs and have lots of room while doing them and make the whole much easier and these need to be done or you can do just the CCV and be cramed for space--parts are going to run you
about 270 --if you have an indy to do all of this--expect to pay about 500 in labor--you can do it all on
a Saturday afternoon.
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Old 04-28-2010, 07:38 AM
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whats a good place to buy the parts?
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Old 04-28-2010, 08:22 AM
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EAC Tuning would be a good spot to buy the valve cover gasket and the ccv and the hoses that go with it.
EAC is a vendor that does good for all here on this Forum--from brakes to engine parts as well
The Vanos seals must be bought through Besian Systems, I will supply you with a link into the Vanos
DIY that you can learn the how too on making all this happen--along with that there are DIY's on the ccv and the oil filter housing--really need to do all of those at one time--after doing this you'll never have to go back in for at least another 100k miles
http://www.beisansystems.com/procedu..._procedure.htm

Read through all of the link and do that a number of times--get all of the tools lined up and then one Sat AM
jump in and do it all--just a good day of turning wrenches and your car is going to run like it just came off the showroom floor again--these new seals make a real difference in the performance of our engines.
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Thanks - I guess I'll order all the parts and then start on the project
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Old 04-28-2010, 08:34 AM
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Another pointer: when replacing valve cover gasket, cover the engine with a piece of cardboard or plastic taped to the edge to prevent broken rubber falling inside the engine cam area.
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Old 04-28-2010, 10:45 AM
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Another great idea CN90--that should be out to everyone that does the change over on the valve cover gasket--The gasket can become hardned and brittle and break into small pieces and then you have to take the time to fish out the debrie from the top of the engine--just a headacke that can be prevented--great idea.
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Old 04-28-2010, 10:55 AM
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Here are a few links to tackle the CCV:
Bimmerfiver's posts
Another one for a 528
Another CCV DIY

Rajae's comments to complement this type of work (you're there anyways)
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Old 04-28-2010, 07:13 PM
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I had not touched the car since last night and today I turned it on about 9pm so more then 24hours of not even being started.. car/engine was cold.. started it up no ccv whistle and I started to wonder what happen that the car is not making the whistle anymore.. .so took it out for about 10 min drive came back home.. and no whistle... so let it seat for a while and turned it back on.. there it was back to the same whistle... so I guess the CCV performs at cold? has anyone seen this kind of issue with ccv or is it normal for the valve to work while the car is cold?

oh yeah should I order the genuine BMW or aftermarket parts?
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