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Old 10-13-2015, 09:07 AM
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Angry $25689 repair bill on a 04 X3 @112K

Since my wife heard some light noise when driving, we sent the car to the dealer for a check. After 4 days, here is a price quote from the dealer, a total of $25689.21:

Sunroof Cassette Replacement: Rear tilt mechanism is inoperable and will not close from vent position. Do not recommend repair kits due to age/mileage of vehicle. $3784.02
Sunroof Seal: Panoramic sunroof perimeter seal is worn out. There is a large gap between front and rear glass panel. $683.69
Coil Spring Replacement - Rear: L/R coil spring is broken. Need to replace both. $969.26
[Other]: 4.0 diag for complete car $616.00
[Other]: oxygen sensor on bank 2 before cat is faulty.. $590.31
[Other]: tank vent valve is faulty $350.48
[Other]: left rear brake bubls out 2 $43.88
[Other]: brake flush is due $169.40
[Other]: water pump is making some noises recommend $670.31
[Other]: map thermostat is starting to leak $508.60
[Other]: recommend upper and lower coolant hose $627.93
[Other]: minor service is due with micro filter $289.12
[Other]: front shocks are blown out with upper mounts and all hardware with bolts and nuts $2381.28
[Other]: rear shocks are weak with upper mopunts and all hardware $1797.74
[Other]: both engine mounts are worn casuing rattling $965.26
[Other]: transfer case is worn with bushing $4056.54
[Other]: clutch kit its worn $2088.36
[Other]: rear diff is making noises $2802.80
[Other]: rear drive shaft is loose and making noises $1431.51

Subtotal $24840.13
Shop Charges $28.75
Tax $820.33
Total $25689.21

We know this is an older car but it has served we fine. And we just replaced the alternator and all four brake pads/rotors. But $28K repair is beyond us. We can definitely do without the sunroof, but would really appreciate any suggests/thoughts what we should put on the top of the priority repair list.

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Old 10-13-2015, 09:38 AM
jma1992 jma1992 is offline
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You could lease a brand new X3 for 3 years for that much money lol. A lot of that stuff on the list you can DIY if you're the DIY type of person, if not find a good independent BMW shop in your area.

Have the fluid and adaptation reset for the transfer case if it has never been done before. This might help and a $100-$200 fix is cheaper than a $4000+ one.

Have the rear diff fluid changed too or DIY and see if any difference is made.

For the rear glass on the sunroof being stuck there's a fix that disables the rear glass and prevents this from happening again.

A lot of that stuff on the list someone on the Internet or bimmerfest has made a DIY thread/guide already.

My uncle just dropped $8000 on his daughters '08 X5 at the dealer and that was mainly for brakes and a/c and other misc stuff.

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Old 10-13-2015, 09:46 AM
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Thanks for the quick response. I can do some simple DIY work like replacing the alternator etc. But didn't have much knowledge about most things on the list. We are planning to send the car to an independent shop and have them do the trick work. However we still need some guidance r.e. which are the most urgent repairs and which could wait for another 3-6 months etc. And further or additional comments are appreciated. Many thanks.

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You could lease a brand new X3 for 3 years for that much money lol. Some of that stuff on the list you can DIY if you're the DIY type of person, if not find a good independent BMW shop in your area.

Have the fluid and adaptation reset for the transfer case if it has never been done before. This might help and a $100-$200 fix is cheaper than a $4000+ one.

Have the rear diff fluid changed too or DIY and see if any difference is made.

For the rear glass on the sunroof being stuck there's a fix that disables the rear glass and prevents this from happening again.

A lot of that stuff on the list someone on the Internet or bimmerfest has made a DIY thread/guide already.
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Old 10-13-2015, 10:28 AM
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Buy this.
http://m.cars.com/vehicledetail/#!vd...tyId=undefined

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Old 10-13-2015, 10:46 AM
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They don't call it the "stealership" for nothing
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Old 10-13-2015, 11:02 AM
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Buy this.
http://m.cars.com/vehicledetail/#!vd...tyId=undefined

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Old 10-13-2015, 11:31 AM
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I am hardly mechanical I was able to some of these myself. The O2 sensors u can do yourself for $200. For the front suspension (shocks/struts) I bought the parts online (SAchs) and had them installed by pep boys, total cost under $1000.


[Other]: 4.0 diag for complete car $616.00
[Other]: oxygen sensor on bank 2 before cat is faulty.. $590.31 U can do yourself in 30 minutes cost=$100
[Other]: tank vent valve is faulty $350.48
[Other]: left rear brake bubls out 2 $43.88
[Other]: brake flush is due $169.40
[Other]: water pump is making some noises recommend $670.31
[Other]: map thermostat is starting to leak $508.60
[Other]: recommend upper and lower coolant hose $627.93
[Other]: minor service is due with micro filter $289.12
[Other]: front shocks are blown out with upper mounts and all hardware with bolts and nuts $2381.28
[Other]: rear shocks are weak with upper mopunts and all hardware $1797.74
[Other]: both engine mounts are worn casuing rattling $965.26
[Other]: transfer case is worn with bushing $4056.54
[Other]: clutch kit its worn $2088.36
[Other]: rear diff is making noises $2802.80
[Other]: rear drive shaft is loose and making noises $1431.51
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Old 10-13-2015, 01:16 PM
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2004 BMW X3 2.5i Sport with 50,000 miles in Good condition is worth $8600 according to KBB.. I'm guessing yours has more miles than that? Even if it doesn't.. why would you put $25k into a $9k car?

2007 BMW X3 3.0si with 50,000 miles in Good condition is worth $13,000 according to KBB..

They're hoping you'll trade it in for a new one or maybe they are hoping you'll do all the repairs.. I don't know. I would take it to an indy and do what was truly necessary but not every little thing they could find.

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Old 10-13-2015, 01:55 PM
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Here's what I would do if I had the vehicle. I'm a DIY'er so the quoted prices make me chuckle

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Sunroof Cassette Replacement: Rear tilt mechanism is inoperable and will not close from vent position. Do not recommend repair kits due to age/mileage of vehicle. $3784.02
Sunroof Seal: Panoramic sunroof perimeter seal is worn out. There is a large gap between front and rear glass panel. $683.69(
- low priority
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Coil Spring Replacement - Rear: L/R coil spring is broken. Need to replace both. $969.26
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- low priority, drove mine around with a broken spring for six months. Didn't even know it was borken till I swapped out my summer tires for winter ones.
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[Other]: oxygen sensor on bank 2 before cat is faulty.. $590.31
- High priority, get second opinion from independant.
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[Other]: tank vent valve is faulty $350.48
- Low priority unless you have to pass emissions. get second opinion from independant.
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[Other]: left rear brake bubls out 2 $43.88
- high priority, DIY?
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[Other]: brake flush is due $169.40
- low priority
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[Other]: water pump is making some noises recommend $670.31
[Other]: map thermostat is starting to leak $508.60
[Other]: recommend upper and lower coolant hose $627.93
- High priority, get second opinion from independant. These engines don't like to overheat. Quoted price is way too high.
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[Other]: minor service is due with micro filter $289.12
-low priority
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[Other]: front shocks are blown out with upper mounts and all hardware with bolts and nuts $2381.28
- Low priority. Did you notice an issue with ride or handling? Shocks don't 'blow' they leak oil. Last time I heard a mechanic use the term shocks are "blown" it was an a hole trying to rip off my 80 year old dad.
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[Other]: rear shocks are weak with upper mopunts and all hardware $1797.74
- Low priority. Did you notice an issue with ride or handling? How the hell can you tell if a shock is weak? Did they remove from car and test? Shocks are hydraulic and they fail when the oil leaks out.
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[Other]: both engine mounts are worn casuing rattling $965.26
- High priority, get second opinion from independant.
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[Other]: transfer case is worn with bushing $4056.54
- Low priority. Change the oil in it and drive it till it dies
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[Other]: clutch kit its worn $2088.36
- Low priority. If you can change gears without grind your clutch is fine
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[Other]: rear diff is making noises $2802.80
- Low priority. Mines been making noises for the lat 60,000 miles and it's still working. Drive it till it dies
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[Other]: rear drive shaft is loose and making noises $1431.51
- Get it checked by independant. If there's play in the universal joints get it fixed (high priority). If no play in universal joints leave it
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Old 10-13-2015, 03:25 PM
bluskye bluskye is offline
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Looks like you didnt do much maintenance DIY or paid. You essentially waited too long.

Put it in neutral, push it off a cliff.
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Old 10-13-2015, 07:49 PM
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Sorry to hear about the estimate!

I just bought a 2009 X3 with pretty much every option (Park Distance, Front and rear seat heaters, Sport, M Package, Nav, Satellite, HID Headlights, Premium, etc...), and it was $21,000 with around 64.000 miles on it. It has a 6 speed manual, so it was a bit more rare (and expensive) that an automatic version.

There is really no reason at all to do all of this work for that much money. You could get a newer car, with fewer miles for quite a bit less than the dealer wants to charge to fix yours...

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Old 10-13-2015, 07:59 PM
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Ha - I see you live in Boston. Let me guess - the big guys in Boston. They want you to buy a new car from them.

Take it to an indy. I live north of boston and take my car to a place in lexington. PM me if interested in name
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Old 10-14-2015, 06:09 AM
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The mechanic that wrote that bill up was probably laughing his a&* off. If you dont want to do a majority of the maintenance yourself, just sell the car and get another X3. For that money you can find a really nice one.
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Old 10-16-2015, 07:17 PM
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The dealership has a conflict of interest. Indeed, they're trying to get you to trade it in for a new one. Take it to an independent shop. You're much more likely to get an honest read. Even better, they probably don't want to scare you off, so they may prioritize what really needs to be done.
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Old 10-17-2015, 02:57 AM
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very nice.... God i miss thouse days.... (they are running you out the door)

50$ light bulb?
tstat and water pump double charge 1200$

Oh god i wish someone would try that on me...
couple of pointers from the other side of the counter

they are trying to run you out the door.. they dont want your biz,
take this quote to another bmw dealer have them look at the car b4 you show them this print out
after you do that... go back to the first place and ask to speak to the service department manager *not the service writer
(that guy would be fired in my shop) *you cant do that to customers


you will see a very large difference In price... then you can start talking biz with them

They will not rebuild a rear, they will not rebuild a transfer case


and in the future... dont do business with this place
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Old 10-17-2015, 02:59 AM
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Or if you had the money... you let them do it.. then sue them.. because they will (no one ever ever) not do all that work listed...
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Old 10-18-2015, 02:35 AM
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Honestly why don't you just sell that x3 for 5-7 grand, and put down 14k on a 09 x3?
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Old 10-18-2015, 04:46 AM
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Yea, I'd sell it and buy a few years newer or else I'd just drive it until it dies unless there is a safety issue on that list.

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Old 10-18-2015, 08:17 AM
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This situation requires thought. If the car has special value, that's worth something. If you merely are looking at the cheapest decision, that's a slightly easier, but still complex, decision.

Calculate or find out the repair costs somewhere else.

Calculate the repair cost to bring the car up to a condition that you can sell the car. Most likely, for every $1000 you spend on repairs, you won't get $1000 back. That would suggest parting out the car or selling it in bad shape.

If you can get the repair costs to less than the first year depreciation and repair costs of a replacement car (new or used), then the financial decision leans towards repair. Lease costs are a little tricky to compare since you have to balance leasing costs plus lack of equity in the car, but it's not that hard to add that in.
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Old 10-18-2015, 01:38 PM
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$43 for a bulb change?
$616 to run the diagnostic scan software?
4 days to quote while they lend you a newer car?

I think you've learned all you need to know about this dealer. They want to sell you a loan for a new car.

Go and find a good BMW independent.

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Old 10-19-2015, 08:21 AM
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OP here. Thanks guys for all your inputs and suggestions. Very helpful to me and I appreciate all your help! Just an update here, we got the car back from the dealer after declining all the repairs and paid over $450 for the diagnosis. Will call around independent shops and get second opinions then start to attach the high-priority issues one-by-one based on feedback here (special thanks to rdc8118 who went through and commented on each issue) and shops' opinions.

BTW the list might make our car look like it is from the junk yard. But in fact it still looks pretty sharp and drives pretty smoothly. It was only recently when we notice some light noise while driving that we decided to send it in for a check to make it drives even better. Needless to say it was an eye-opening experience. As a matter of fact, the dealer actually asked us if we would consider a trade-in before they even took a look at it. It was very generous of them to offer $2K for the car, or $3-4K if we buy a new vehicle from them. Way to go Herb Chambers BMW of Sudbury.
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Old 10-19-2015, 12:25 PM
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Odds on that the transfer box is grumbling because it needs an oil change and possibly a set of new tyres.
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Old 10-19-2015, 01:43 PM
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Are BMWs unreliable????

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...and paid over $450 for the diagnosis. Will call around independent shops and get second opinions then start to attach the high-priority issues one-by-one based on feedback here (special thanks to rdc8118 who went through and commented on each issue) and shops' opinions.
The diagnosis charge, in theory, is ok with me because it takes effort and uses up expenses to diagnose a car. Don't misunderstand, I like free.

One thing to consider is to fix the car, drive it 2-3 more years then sell it at a high point. I have never sold a car that was in sad shape and just patched up to sell.

Are BMWs unreliable? Many people seem to give that impression. Knowing someone else who has had several Mercedes, Mercedes are not unreliable when they get old but they do require periodic repair. Eventually, they might need a repair every 4 months or so. BMW the same? Maybe they are reliable for the first 75-100k miles then it varies????
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Old 10-20-2015, 05:45 PM
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Do you have a garage in your house? if so, dont worry too much about it. Just start digging into this forum for info (there are many great and knowledgeable people in here) and also check for coupons in advance-auto-parts and little by little start gathering the parts and info you need to fix your car for a fraction of that quote. When I first got my 05 x3 6mt I spent over 5k in repairs at the dealership, then I discovered this forum and now I'm doing almost everything myself. My x3 has 165k and it is running strong. I do go to the dealership for an oil service at the beginning of winter and end of spring for an oil change (on sale) and a free multi-inspection report, I use that report to perform basic maintenance.
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Fix the slight noise that started this all by turning up the radio.

Oxygen sensor faulty but no check engine light? Hmmmmm

I would enjoy the loaner for a week, then go back and ask if you can negotiate the shop charge.

Then put the quote up on Facebook and let the world go at it.

That's crazy.
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