Learning from others mistakes

Mistakes

a) early apex

b) missed apex

c) lifted on exit

d) didn't unwind the wheel

In order to avoid spinning the car, he should have began unwinding the wheel earlier and NOT lifted the throttle, especially since the exit of the turn is downhill. Maybe he would have dropped two wheels, like Doeboy already stated, but it's better than wading up your car.

Yep, I agree with the "to avoid spinning" explanation Sergio.

I don't know how bumpy it is to the outside of the exit curb, but as long as the car is pointed straight and parallel with the track, going off-road for a bit is the only way. Like the man said, it beats crinkling up *expensive* sheet metal.

Originally Posted by racerdave

Yep, I agree with the "to avoid spinning" explanation Sergio.

I don't know how bumpy it is to the outside of the exit curb, but as long as the car is pointed straight and parallel with the track, going off-road for a bit is the only way. Like the man said, it beats crinkling up *expensive* sheet metal.

Virtually all of these videos stress the importance of remebering the 'basics': the traction account, or traction wheel.

If you use overdraw your account, you lose traction.

Originally Posted by sergiok

Virtually all of these videos stress the importance of remebering the 'basics': the traction account, or traction wheel.

If you use overdraw your account, you lose traction.

Absolutely.

But the other things they show is 1) that you need to devote 100% concentration at all times, 2) be "wize" with the controls (no big lifts of the throttle at max cornering, etc), and 3) know when you've flubbed a corner and how to bail out by throwing away the lap time, but not throwing away the car.

I've said it before, but this is a fun exercise.

The guy in that Ferrari clip "tracked out" too early and clocked the beginning of the curbing, which catastrophically unloaded the rear tires. The car had some sideways load in it and, voila....crash.

When you do that you make a save pretty difficult. He was screwed when he apexed - and I use that term loosely - he missed it by a country mile (thus the early track out).

Watch it again, and watch the effect of the impact of the rear wheel on the curbing, and how it affects the camera.

not a crash, but it's sort of a "what NOT to do at the track", or "don't shift like this at the track" video...

http://www.68k.org/~ayn/tmp/Max_at_the_track.mpg (very large download, >300MB)...

--Andrew

Ouch - his neck got a good whip, but I bet his ribs didn't feel too good the next day, either. Seeing that kind of impact with no driving suit, no harness, no gloves, makes me very glad I'm in a racecar these days!

I've driving Hallett twice this year, had never gotten out of Texas before now. Wonderful track.

Incidentally, I watched an SRF backflip up over the wall on the outside of that same turn, going CW, in August. Pretty intense!

Originally Posted by m3lieb

Here’s one of a friend of mines wreck at Hallett. The track was running the opposite direction as when I had my accident, but his impact was only a couple yards away from mine. Unfortunately he found the one spot on the whole strait without tires.

http://www.bobbyjasan.com/movies/mr2_crash.mpeg

Time to revive this thread again...

Here's a new clip:

Turn 10 at Sears Point

Originally Posted by sergiok

Time to revive this thread again...

Here's a new clip:

Turn 10 at Sears Point

Hmm....

Went in too hot and was on the brakes too hard too long while trying to turn in?

I suspect maybe he meant to trail-brake? but it looked like he was on them hard....

oh yeah... and is it me or was his line kinda strange?

Well, since it's my video, perhaps I can answer some of the questions:

Originally Posted by doeboy

Hmm....

Went in too hot and was on the brakes too hard too long while trying to turn in?

That's pretty much it. I believe he was too concerned about where I was (I had just made a good pass attempt back at Turn 7 and was going to be setting him up for Turn 11), and missed the turn in point. Although he had been a little off-line there before, but not nearly as bad.

I suspect maybe he meant to trail-brake? but it looked like he was on them hard....

Turn 10 at Sears in not usually a corner you want to trailbrake into. You really want to be back on the power right after turn-in.

oh yeah... and is it me or was his line kinda strange?

Oh YEAH :-)

Jim

Was that a race or a DE?

On the Sears 10... I'm writing this before reading the other notes...

A disaster from the start. The guy got too far right into turn 9, then tried to bring the car all the way to the left at the exit in order to straighten his line for turn 10. By arriving late, he also in turn missed his turn-in point for 10. Despite being late, he still tried to turn and make the apex anyway.

And that's when he spun.

Too much steering input too late in the corner. Classic oversteer.

Originally Posted by Jim44

Turn 10 at Sears in not usually a corner you want to trailbrake into. You really want to be back on the power right after turn-in.

That's what I was thinking that I'd do in that turn too given the setup of the turns. But since I saw he was still on the brakes after turning, I figured he might have been trying to trail brake... but it obviously looked like way more than trail braking...

Man that looks like a fun track. One of these days I'll make my way up there...

Originally Posted by rhenriksen

Was that a race or a DE?

Race.

Originally Posted by doeboy

That's what I was thinking that I'd do in that turn too given the setup of the turns.

Yeah, but that turn is ~80-90mph, given type of car, gearing, etc. I'm in 5th in the 325is (3.91 diff) from Turn 9 through to Turn 11.

Man that looks like a fun track. One of these days I'll make my way up there...

You really should, it's a GREAT track. And faster too, now that they've repaved the whole track. I like it, and not just because I'm 33 miles from it

Jim

Originally Posted by Jim44

Yeah, but that turn is ~80-90mph, given type of car, gearing, etc. I'm in 5th in the 325is (3.91 diff) from Turn 9 through to Turn 11.

3.91? man... mine's 2.93...

How to do it right!

Slide

(I think Stuka can appreciate this clip)

Originally Posted by sergiok

How to do it right!

Slide

(I think Stuka can appreciate this clip)

That may be "how to do it right" if you've entered a drift competition. Otherwise, it's just slow.

Originally Posted by sergiok

How to do it right!

Slide

(I think Stuka can appreciate this clip)

Hehe. Where is that at (track/turn)?

Yep, I'll agree with Solo II///M... cool, but slow.

There was really no magic to that. Just a foot full of throttle on the exit on a damp track.

Originally Posted by SoloII///M

That may be "how to do it right" if you've entered a drift competition. Otherwise, it's just slow.

Well, yeah, that's what I meant. Anyone who has any amount of knowledge would know that sideways isn't fast.

Originally Posted by scottn2retro

Hehe. Where is that at (track/turn)?

I forgot where I downloaded it from. I think it's a track in England.

Originally Posted by sergiok

Race.

Was that VJ?

Ok... new one....

I do NOT want to be anywhere near this guy on the track... all of them actually.... it's utter chaos.... and scary to no end...

http://bne002z.webcentral.com.au/bne...CalderPark.wmv