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E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 05-06-2010, 01:08 AM
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A new 35d should also have the 8 speed box
Not in the US unfortunately.
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Old 05-06-2010, 01:13 AM
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Not in the US unfortunately.
What's the price difference after the $4500 eco-credit?
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Old 05-06-2010, 05:30 AM
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Cheap X5 in the states

You guys are really lucky do you know that ?????

the dollar to euro is 1,29 at the moment so the cars over here are about 29% more exspensive. I think even more because an X5 30d here is about 70,000 euros approx 100,000 dollars.

You guys earn more than we do, and your fuel is cheaper. We are paying about $7 a gallon for Diesel and Gas is even higher at about $8,50.
on top of that our income tax is higher than yours, and to be able to register an X5 with more than 215 BHP costs us $6450. Yes, I didn't add a zero. Yet these cars have a 6 month waiting list here. An X6M or X5M costs 113,000 and 118,000 respectively and I'm talking euros.
in Dollars between 145 and $155,000 that's an awful lot of cash for a Joy ride.
So we buy the cheap version X5 30d and chip tune them......

sometimes I really regret that I left the states !!!!!!!!!

Still, our Crisis wasn't quite so hard as yours, and in this market, it doesn't seem to have had any real affect. Check out BMWs sale figures, They just keep going up. They can't seem to do anything wrong. The new 5 series is sold out until October already.
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Old 05-06-2010, 05:47 AM
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Old 05-06-2010, 07:08 AM
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You guys are really lucky do you know that ?????

the dollar to euro is 1,29 at the moment so the cars over here are about 29% more exspensive. I think even more because an X5 30d here is about 70,000 euros approx 100,000 dollars.

You guys earn more than we do, and your fuel is cheaper. We are paying about $7 a gallon for Diesel and Gas is even higher at about $8,50.
on top of that our income tax is higher than yours, and to be able to register an X5 with more than 215 BHP costs us $6450. Yes, I didn't add a zero. Yet these cars have a 6 month waiting list here. An X6M or X5M costs 113,000 and 118,000 respectively and I'm talking euros.
in Dollars between 145 and $155,000 that's an awful lot of cash for a Joy ride.
So we buy the cheap version X5 30d and chip tune them......

sometimes I really regret that I left the states !!!!!!!!!

Still, our Crisis wasn't quite so hard as yours, and in this market, it doesn't seem to have had any real affect. Check out BMWs sale figures, They just keep going up. They can't seem to do anything wrong. The new 5 series is sold out until October already.
Well for starters, your prices include VAT and most other fees like registration. The price you see in the US doesn't include any of that.

Secondly, the US market is competitive and if BMW fails to price within the market range, nobody will buy them. The US market, although the second biggest auto market in the world, is one of the least profitable.

Someone has to pay for all those services and public goods y'all get in Europe. The VAT is what, 21% in Belgium? Plus, your budgets are more balanced. In the US we get mediocre services that really aren't paid for.

A fair number of folks in Europe lucky enough to work in the US do purchase BMWs here and import them back to Europe. Even after import duties and slight conversion fees (mostly reprogramming headlamps), they come out ahead.
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Old 05-06-2010, 07:22 AM
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And of course a lot of U.S, Military folks that are stationed in Europe buy U.S. spec cars under the "Miliary Sales Program" and do not pay the VAT plus get them shipped back free at end of tour. So good deals work both ways.
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Old 05-06-2010, 08:18 AM
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You guys are really lucky do you know that ?????

the dollar to euro is 1,29 at the moment so the cars over here are about 29% more exspensive. I think even more because an X5 30d here is about 70,000 euros approx 100,000 dollars.

You guys earn more than we do, and your fuel is cheaper. We are paying about $7 a gallon for Diesel and Gas is even higher at about $8,50.
on top of that our income tax is higher than yours, and to be able to register an X5 with more than 215 BHP costs us $6450. Yes, I didn't add a zero. Yet these cars have a 6 month waiting list here. An X6M or X5M costs 113,000 and 118,000 respectively and I'm talking euros.
in Dollars between 145 and $155,000 that's an awful lot of cash for a Joy ride.
So we buy the cheap version X5 30d and chip tune them......

sometimes I really regret that I left the states !!!!!!!!!

Still, our Crisis wasn't quite so hard as yours, and in this market, it doesn't seem to have had any real affect. Check out BMWs sale figures, They just keep going up. They can't seem to do anything wrong. The new 5 series is sold out until October already.
I at times don't understand how Europeans manage to live: make less, everything cost more, higher taxes, and yet their life style is rather comfortable........
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Old 05-06-2010, 09:09 AM
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I've always wondered about this. Would be interesting to see what the sales volume breakdown is for different model lines between US and EU. I'd love to see the demographics of these sales in the EU.

I know that we have the cheapest BMWs in the world, with the profit margins being as slim as they are in the US, it's no wonder we get excluded on all the other optional goodies that EU and the rest of the world get access to. BMW Individual is still something that isn't coordinated well in the US, and with our consumer protection laws, its probably something that becomes a real headache. You can still walk away from a BMW Individual car in the US, leaving the dealer to take the hit.

I would love to see BMW Individual line cross over in the US for the X5s since we already are seeing them for the Ms, 6, 7 series.
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Keep in mind that company cars are somewhat more popular, at least in Germany. It's a way to increase the benefits of a job without worrying about taxes on higher income.
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Old 05-06-2010, 10:25 AM
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What's the price difference after the $4500 eco-credit?
If spring credit is not taken into account for the 35i, and assuming tax credit of $1800, and a constant dealer markup over invoice, diesel is infact cheaper than premium. With spring credit, it is about the same for similar equipped models (similar not same as the packages vary)
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Old 05-06-2010, 10:30 AM
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Well there are always plusses and minuses to everything, and the grass seems always greener on the other side. We don't get as many vacation days as you guys do at Europe . And I don't want to even get to health care and stuff .
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Old 05-06-2010, 01:17 PM
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Well there are always plusses and minuses to everything, and the grass seems always greener on the other side. We don't get as many vacation days as you guys do at Europe . And I don't want to even get to health care and stuff .
True on both counts, if you are an employee, but I doubt that anyone of us buying these cars fairly new is an employee of anybody, so vacations aren't actually all that many.
But healthcare, Yes, Belgium is very good for that !
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Old 05-06-2010, 07:27 PM
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This might be redundant info, but I saw a 2011 X5 35i at my dealer today. The window sticker showed 17 mpg city and 25 highway. Also the vehicle had beautiful 19" rims as standard w/o the sport package. They were some sort of Y-spoke design, different than the X5 50i.
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Old 05-07-2010, 07:27 AM
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I dropped my 550i off for service and they gave me an X5d to drive. I am very impressed with it. I think the steering is a bit light at higher speeds and to heavy during parking. The D pulls and it pulls. I agree on highway, its great power for passing. Pulling away from a stop, there is slight hesitation because its a D. a bit louder around town from the engine, but on the highway i think most of the noice is from the tires.

Overall, a great car. If I had to choose between the 6 gas and the D, I would choose the D. I am not sure of my choice if it was between the 5.0 and the D.

What a service loaner though!!
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Old 05-07-2010, 08:44 AM
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I dropped my 550i off for service and they gave me an X5d to drive. I am very impressed with it. I think the steering is a bit light at higher speeds and to heavy during parking. The D pulls and it pulls. I agree on highway, its great power for passing. Pulling away from a stop, there is slight hesitation because its a D. a bit louder around town from the engine, but on the highway i think most of the noice is from the tires.

Overall, a great car. If I had to choose between the 6 gas and the D, I would choose the D. I am not sure of my choice if it was between the 5.0 and the D.

What a service loaner though!!
I think part of the hesitation is that it starts in 2nd gear as well. I noticed a loaner E92 328 doing the same thing, as well as an x3 during a test drive. My 335i is a 6MT, so it drove me nuts starting in 2nd.
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Old 05-07-2010, 05:03 PM
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It's all in what you're after. There are a lot of X5's on the road and if you'd like to be like everyone else, go right ahead. Otherwise, get the Diesel and join the others who want a SAV with longevity, better resale value and a DIESEL. It can't be beat!
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Just test drove the 35i and make my decision right away. I will wait my 35d!!

I drove about 5 miles on 405 N and 3 miles local. The 35i has NO way to compare with the 35d as for the fun to drive & fuel economy. The picture shows you the black carbon accumulation on the left exhaust pipe even at 16 miles on the odometer (had 8 miles on it before I took the test drive) and got 12.8 mpg read from the dash computer.

Low speed acceleration better than 30i but no comparison with the 35d. Could not tell the big difference on the 8 speed transmission over 6 speed. Highway speed at 65 - 75m/h, 35d got much better response from the pedal.

If you're on the market of X5 6 cylinder, 35d is your ONLY choice!!

Just curious, has anybody got their X5d delivered??
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Old 05-09-2010, 05:21 PM
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Just curious, has anybody got their X5d delivered??
The 2011 X5d is awaiting CARB approal so none have left the factory for US delivery. Someone on another thread from Canada says he got his though.
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Old 05-09-2010, 05:50 PM
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The 2011 X5d is awaiting CARB approal so none have left the factory for US delivery. Someone on another thread from Canada says he got his though.
I checked a couple work order numbers on the 2011 X5d. Some of them show "at the port waiting for carrying vessel". I guess that means the car left the factory already. But mine still "waiting to release to the carrier".
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Old 05-10-2010, 01:34 PM
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Nobody in the US has a 2011 X5 35d yet. They are awaiting EPA and CARB (california air resources board) emissions certifications. Until then, the ones produced sit at the VPC and wait.

Don't listen to what your CA or the idiots on the toll free customer service number tell you, they have NOT been 'released to a carrier and are awaiting shipment.

I have a person inside BMW working on getting me the TRUE story on this, including when we can expect already produced vehicles to be released. I promise I will post it here the minute I find out.

My 35d has been sitting at the VPC for well over a week now. I am seriously considering an X5 5.0 simply because I don't want to keep renting a car from AVIS. This is just getting silly. Every time I think the wait is over, it starts all over again. I mean, I really want the diesel because I plan to tow my track car with it, and I think the mountains of torque will be well suited to my driving style. In addition, although diesel costs the same as premium fuel where I live, I like the idea of more miles between fill ups. Let's face it, not many of us are really buying a 35d to 'save money', but it sure feels good when you don't have to stop for 600 miles.

I am calling my CA shortly to inquire about incoming/in stock X5 5.0's and will evaluate that against whatever I heard from BMW tomorrow regarding EPA cert.
Not having the $4500 eco rebate will sting, but, maybe I can get BMW to give me some goodwill based on the wait time and the fact that I ordered mine months ago.

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Nobody in the US has a 2011 X5 35d yet. They are awaiting EPA and CARB (california air resources board) emissions certifications. Until then, the ones produced sit at the VPC and wait.

Don't listen to what your CA or the idiots on the toll free customer service number tell you, they have NOT been 'released to a carrier and are awaiting shipment.

I have a person inside BMW working on getting me the TRUE story on this, including when we can expect already produced vehicles to be released. I promise I will post it here the minute I find out.

My 35d has been sitting at the VPC for well over a week now. I am seriously considering an X5 5.0 simply because I don't want to keep renting a car from AVIS. This is just getting silly. Every time I think the wait is over, it starts all over again. I mean, I really want the diesel because I plan to tow my track car with it, and I think the mountains of torque will be well suited to my driving style. In addition, although diesel costs the same as premium fuel where I live, I like the idea of more miles between fill ups. Let's face it, not many of us are really buying a 35d to 'save money', but it sure feels good when you don't have to stop for 600 miles.

I am calling my CA shortly to inquire about incoming/in stock X5 5.0's and will evaluate that against whatever I heard from BMW tomorrow regarding EPA cert.
Not having the $4500 eco rebate will sting, but, maybe I can get BMW to give me some goodwill based on the wait time and the fact that I ordered mine months ago.

Well see
Thanks for the info. Please keep us posted when you find out whats going on the X5d delivery. Just tired of the CA's "maybe another 2 or 3 weeks"...
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