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E36 (1991 - 1999)
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Old 05-19-2010, 09:25 PM
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Unhappy Convertible disaster- PLEASE HELP !!!!

Hey guys so im 16 and got my first bimmer....sweet stuff right?
the car is awesome its a 1996 328i convertible and i love it.

yet it had a bad battery and it would take alot of hot shoting just to get it up and running.

however (just my luck) the soft top cover lid flap (you know the lid thing that covers the soft top when it is stowed away) was covering the trunk (the battery is in the trunk)...

being the stupid 16 year old i can be sometimes i did not know about the whole disengage mechanism....so what do i do? i push down on the lid to get it down... after a good yank i heard a CRACK and then plop the lid went down limp.

when i brought the lid down i noticed that their was a one inch gap in from where the lid should be and where it was. one side was fine but the side with the lid was unaligned jutting outward. naturally i went crazy and im still thinking i broke the entire convertible mechanism and that there is not hope.

from my own mechanical work i realized that the lever ( a rod with two holes that attaches to the little hook thing on the lid motor) had broke out and was loose. i learned how to try to get the rod into place and tried to do so yet the rod was slightly bent out of shape so it needed to be bent back to the right shape...while doing this i broke the rod.

now i have found the rod on a part website and i have ordered it.

http://www.bmwpartscounter.com/showA...&assembly=7543

^ its part number 13


but im still not sure if even if i attach the rod thingy... the lid will be fixed and the lid will go back to its spot.

Also has this damaged the motors at all? is it completely destroyed without any hope?

PLEASE HELP ME PLEASE this is my first car and im devastated.
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Old 05-19-2010, 09:43 PM
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Welcome to the 'fest! A Bimmer at 16.......I could only dream of something like that when I was that age.

I know zero about 'verts, so I really can't answer your question(s), but I DO know whatever is broken/bent CAN be fixed. Don't panic. Your car and it's convertible top aren't dead, just wounded. There's plenty of E36ers on here with 'verts that will help.

Nice job on posting the question, by the way. Very good description of what/when/why/how. You'll get along well here.
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Old 05-19-2010, 10:20 PM
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Thanks man

Man you have no idea how happy you have made me hahaha i just want to give you a hug. So is that what the proplem is called verts? And no problem to support means just as much as an answer so me right now. And thnx i thought the more detail the better people would understand the problem

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Old 05-19-2010, 10:37 PM
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Okay, so let my get this straight.... your tonneau cover (thats the flap thing you speak of) was in the upright position and you just pushed it down?

You probably just either made the motor jump or somthing along the sort.

If the motor jumped then it would be out of snyc Try to just resync it.

Search up on here or google for E36 convertible sync process, er something


If your top is down as we speak and you need it up. under the left rear seat will be a lever pull that forward and all the motors will disengage then you can manually close and lock the top

Btw. easilly fixable. just have to know what to fix


And yes very good first post. stick around here youll like it.


EDIT: whoa whoa whoa like the detailed picture!!

You proabably just bent your rod.


go to Realoem.com and find the part on there.
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Old 05-19-2010, 10:45 PM
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Old 05-19-2010, 11:05 PM
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Okay, so let my get this straight.... your tonneau cover (thats the flap thing you speak of) was in the upright position and you just pushed it down?

You probably just either made the motor jump or somthing along the sort.

If the motor jumped then it would be out of snyc Try to just resync it.

Search up on here or google for E36 convertible sync process, er something


If your top is down as we speak and you need it up. under the left rear seat will be a lever pull that forward and all the motors will disengage then you can manually close and lock the top

Btw. easilly fixable. just have to know what to fix


And yes very good first post. stick around here youll like it.


EDIT: whoa whoa whoa like the detailed picture!!

You proabably just bent your rod.


go to Realoem.com and find the part on there.

yea i know about the lever under the seat now. but right now (disengaged or not) the tonneau moves freely like its broken...theres also the unalignment problem with the tonneau. um i think if i get that part im talking about the tonneau flap will reatach its self and once i resync the tonneau flap will move into its place?


and thnx and yea i like it here alot already u guys rock!
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Old 05-19-2010, 11:09 PM
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Okay.... try to renegage your tonneau cover.

Do you know how?
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Old 05-19-2010, 11:10 PM
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Hmmmm

i forget which motor it is... im sending you a pm.
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its the motor to the left hand side of the trunk. i should do all this after i get tht part tho right?
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Old 05-19-2010, 11:31 PM
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i still dont know which part your talking about.... should i go put my top halfway down and look?

Or can you find it on real oem?

Please tell me if your cars top is not up its parked inside....
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Old 05-19-2010, 11:42 PM
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I've got a '96 328i vert so I'm pretty familiar with the top mechanism. You'll need to get your replacement rod in before you'll know for certain if you've damaged anything else. You might have bent the sheet metal on the bottom of the tonneau cover where the support rod mounts, but I wouldn't panic about that yet. Leave the tonneau cover and top motors disengaged for now until you get the rod re-installed. Then make certain both motors are FULLY DISENGAGED and move both the top and the tonneau cover through their range of motion to check out how they're working.
Lesson learned - don't ever force anything on your Bimmer! If it's supposed to move and it's not moving, find the reason. There are a lot of safeguards built into the top mechanism that feed signals to the convertible top controller. If it senses an issue it stops the top from moving so that nothing gets damaged.

Here's some links to more vert info and to a vert specific forum where you can get detailed answers from the "experts"

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...play.php?f=207

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...d.php?t=684992

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...d.php?t=692443

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Old 05-20-2010, 08:51 AM
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i still dont know which part your talking about.... should i go put my top halfway down and look?

Or can you find it on real oem?

Please tell me if your cars top is not up its parked inside....
Hahaha no its parked inside

the part im talking about is on this link and its part number 13, its a rod that goes like inside where the cover hinges are and it connects back to the motor mechanism in the back.

http://www.bmwpartscounter.com/showA...&assembly=7543

^ its part number 13

i would try to find it on real oem since your familiar with tht site but right now im in school and tht website is blocked lol. so i can only show you the part via the above mentioned website. they are practically the same.

btw love your "no one cares" hahaha

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I've got a '96 328i vert so I'm pretty familiar with the top mechanism. You'll need to get your replacement rod in before you'll know for certain if you've damaged anything else. You might have bent the sheet metal on the bottom of the tonneau cover where the support rod mounts, but I wouldn't panic about that yet. Leave the tonneau cover and top motors disengaged for now until you get the rod re-installed. Then make certain both motors are FULLY DISENGAGED and move both the top and the tonneau cover through their range of motion to check out how they're working.
Lesson learned - don't ever force anything on your Bimmer! If it's supposed to move and it's not moving, find the reason. There are a lot of safeguards built into the top mechanism that feed signals to the convertible top controller. If it senses an issue it stops the top from moving so that nothing gets damaged.

Here's some links to more vert info and to a vert specific forum where you can get detailed answers from the "experts"

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...play.php?f=207

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...d.php?t=684992

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...d.php?t=692443

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Thanks for your help man, i have learned my lesson well

okay so ive pulled the disengage lever and the rod thing that i need was still functional and i was able to get it back in place (it was slightly bent from the force i used on the cover and later on when i tried to fix the bend i snaped the rod...yea i kno dumb move but i didnt have a choice it wouldnt go into its spot. so hopefully a new one will allow me to get everything in the right place.) ,BUT even when the tonneau cover and all motors were disengaged the cover wouldnt move freely the soft top would move freely tho. as for bent hinges, that is not a problem because ive checked and double checked and nothing seems to be bent. it just seems to be jutting out but nothing looks wrong.
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hahaha cool bro but theres no competition goin on here lol

love your ride tho, rims nice as ****
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hahaha cool bro but theres no competition goin on here lol

love your ride tho, rims nice as ****
He has them motherfcuking 22's!!!

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Hahaha no its parked inside

the part im talking about is on this link and its part number 13, its a rod that goes like inside where the cover hinges are and it connects back to the motor mechanism in the back.

http://www.bmwpartscounter.com/showA...&assembly=7543

^ its part number 13

i would try to find it on real oem since your familiar with tht site but right now im in school and tht website is blocked lol. so i can only show you the part via the above mentioned website. they are practically the same.

btw love your "no one cares" hahaha
I cant view the link but i know what your talking about i think

And i spoke for the general public when i said that.
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Any body got some new hints?
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Thanks for your help man, i have learned my lesson well

okay so ive pulled the disengage lever and the rod thing that i need was still functional and i was able to get it back in place (it was slightly bent from the force i used on the cover and later on when i tried to fix the bend i snaped the rod...yea i kno dumb move but i didnt have a choice it wouldnt go into its spot. so hopefully a new one will allow me to get everything in the right place.) ,BUT even when the tonneau cover and all motors were disengaged the cover wouldnt move freely the soft top would move freely tho. as for bent hinges, that is not a problem because ive checked and double checked and nothing seems to be bent. it just seems to be jutting out but nothing looks wrong.
Going to need some photos to give you more ideas on what to try next.......
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alright well i gotta wait a few days till my part arrives...then ill attach it and let you guys see whats up with some pictures

as always,
thnx for the help
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