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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 02-23-2011, 10:38 AM
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BTW, today, in Mack's thread, abqhudson ran into the demise of Axxis-branded brake pads:
- Ready to purchase new brake pads and rotors. Whats the best setup?

As I found out in May of last year, Axxis-branded pads were impossible to find for the fronts on my 525i from ANY sponsor (and even from any non-sponsor site).
TOP 5 Brake Pad Suppliers for the E39 (recommended by 'fest members):
- OEMm Bimmer Parts (TX) 210-445-7090 http://www.oembimmerparts.com
- SpeedNet Motorsports (CA) 800-530-3515 http://www.speednetmotorsports.com/index.html
- Turner Motorsport (MA) 800-280-6966 http://www.turnermotorsport.com
- Zeckhausen (NJ) 800-222-8893 http://www.zeckhausen.com


Even the rears were only found in people's old inventory as they phased it out.
- Why so hard to price Axxis Deluxe Advanced brake pads on the Internet?

Yet, we continue to "advise" users buy Axxis-branded pads (among others) when they ask what the most recommended pads are for the E39:
- What brake pads & rotors are recommended for street use on the E39?

So, revisiting this thread, almost a year later, I must re-ask the same question (so as to get a more definitive answer):

Q: Are any suppliers restocking Axxis pads (front & rear) for E39s in the United States today?
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Old 02-23-2011, 10:43 AM
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BTW, today, in Mack's thread, abqhudson ran into the demise of Axxis-branded brake pads:
- Ready to purchase new brake pads and rotors. Whats the best setup?

As I found out in May of last year, Axxis-branded pads were impossible to find for the fronts on my 525i from ANY sponsor (and even from any non-sponsor site).
TOP 5 Brake Pad Suppliers for the E39 (recommended by 'fest members):
- OEMm Bimmer Parts (TX) 210-445-7090 http://www.oembimmerparts.com
- SpeedNet Motorsports (CA) 800-530-3515 http://www.speednetmotorsports.com/index.html
- Turner Motorsport (MA) 800-280-6966 http://www.turnermotorsport.com
- Zeckhausen (NJ) 800-222-8893 http://www.zeckhausen.com


Even the rears were only found in people's old inventory as they phased it out.
- Why so hard to price Axxis Deluxe Advanced brake pads on the Internet?

Yet, we continue to "advise" users buy Axxis-branded pads (among others) when they ask what the most recommended pads are for the E39:
- What brake pads & rotors are recommended for street use on the E39?

So, revisiting this thread, almost a year later, I must re-ask the same question (so as to get a more definitive answer):

Q: Are any suppliers restocking Axxis pads (front & rear) for E39s in the United States today?
If you are looking for Axxis/PBR pads, then I highly recommend talking to Mike at Import Replacement Parts.
http://www.importrp.com/
Axxis/PBR brake pads can be bought/found in a lot of places.
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We carry them also. We don't get much call for them, but do stock most applications and have some kits built with them.

http://EACTuning.com
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I like EBC pads
Already use second set on another car , low dust , quiet and stop as it should
with brembo rotors of course

very good england brand , not so familiar in US ( not China / Korea for sure heh )


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Old 02-23-2011, 11:12 AM
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If you are looking for Axxis/PBR pads, then I highly recommend talking to Mike at Import Replacement Parts
Hi Jason5driver,

You and I have been through this before. Many times. It's kind of exasperating, really.

You insisted Axxis is sold in the US and I (at the time of this thread), for the life of me, couldn't find a single box of Axxis-branded pads for my vehicle (for the fronts particularly, as they phased out old inventory).

That was way back in May of 2010 ... and the question is whether it's still the case today (time, as always, being on the side of truth).

The question is whether Axxis exists as a marketed brand, in the USA ... or not. (Nobody disputes PBR exists as a marketed brand.)

When I hopefully went to your most recent recommended web site, I was instantly disappointed to see the exact same green PBR Deluxe Advanced box pictured ... which was EXACTLY what I was forced to buy way back in May of 2010 (my living room pictures are above showing it clearly).

Those are NOT Axxis-branded pads. Those are (rather clearly) PBR-branded pads.

I must remind you that folks, insisting that Axxis is still marketed in the US supplied the entire history of the company that makes and markets these pads (gory details already listed above) ... and in those gory details, there wasn't a single mention of Axxis marketing (but lots and lots of mention of PBR among others).

The point is ... and this is important ... we (seem to) continue to recommend to newbies and old alike to buy "Axxis Deluxe Advanced" pads; yet, these pads DO NOT SEEM TO EXIST anymore in the USA (for sale).

PBR pads certainly exist. PBR pads are (almost certainly) made & marketed by the same company that makes and markets PBR-branded pads.

But so does Chevy make and market an Impala and a Corvette.
The fact that the company that makes and markets PBR also made and marketed Axxis is almost meaningless from the standpoint of the particular question at hand.

In fact, to this day, we can't tell (for certain) whether PBR Deluxe Advanced pads today are truly the same (or not) as Axxis Deluxe Advanced pads were! We're just guessing.

This is another important point!

We (you and I together) "assume" that they are the same (but keep in mind the word assume and what it means with respect to fact).

Who knows if they are the same ... or not.

Interestingly, the "text" of the advertisement you referred to clearly says "PBR/Axxis" but the box (that I had in my living room) itself just as clearly does NOT say Axxis!

It says PBR.

Which is exactly the same as what I found out almost a year ago.

But, people keep recommending Axxis pads to newbies!

Point is, if it's true that Axxis is still sold in the USA, we should be able to find a box for sale that says the word "Axxis" on the box for our vehicle.

If it says PBR, then it isn't Axxis. It's PBR.
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Old 02-23-2011, 11:17 AM
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We carry them also.
Hi Jared,

I respect you. I still remember what you told me about brake wear, not being as simple as I thought it was. You are a supplier. You should know. We trust you. Your voice matters. We're only looking for the truth.

So, it's with a very keen eye (this is text, after all) that I ask you to clarify "them" for the purpose of this thread.

This thread is about M A R K E T I N G.

So, what's on the B O X is what matters (or on the pad itself). Specifically, does the BOX and/or PAD that you sell (let's say for the fronts and rears for my particular 2002 525i) actually say AXXIS on it?

Or does it say PBR?
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Yet another person 'said' they bought Axxis pads in the USA (and maybe they did) ... but I'll wait for th proof before I believe them.
- E39 (1997 - 2003) > Best place to get PBR Deluxe pads?

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As far as I know, Axxis is no longer M A R K E T E D in the United States. So, it seems, the only way to obtain an Axxis pad is from someone's diminishing inventory.

Apparently Modbargains.com, in California, has them listed in their inventory for the E39:
- Modbargains.com (714) 582-3330




However, from this thread, it's getting harder and harder to find 'em:
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E39 (1997 - 2003) > Best place to get PBR Deluxe pads?

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Here is what Dave said from Zeckhausen this past February when I asked if they had the Axxis Deluxe:

Jim,

We do not. They've been superseded by the importer with Centric Posi Quiet Ceramic pads. The good news is that Posi Quiet pads have slightly higher bite and friction and composite shims that make them even quieter than Axxis Deluxe. If you've been using Axxis Deluxe pads, you'll notice the same low dust levels as before, but better pedal feel and less propensity to squeal at low speeds under light braking..

Click here for available pads: http://store.zeckhausen.com/catalog/...Path=3_4_5_106

Sincerely,
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I think there was something in the pad composition that was no longer allowed to be sold in the US.

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Yet again, we have today forum members insisting they 'bought Axxis' pads in the USA:
- E39 (1997 - 2003) > How Long Do I Have?

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Oh and you can still get axxis in the us. I just purchased some about 3 weeks ago.

http://www.oembimmerparts.com/pbraxxisbrakepads.html
I tried calling OEMbimmerparts to confirm whether these are PBR or Axxis, but they're not in today. However, looking at the part number, these are branded as PBR, not as Axxis.

In another post on that thread, we hear:

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Axxis doesn't have the dustless anymore. Let me re-phrase. There may be inventory somewhere but they don't make them anymore. Per Dave at Zeckhausen Racing they were replaced with Centric Posi Quiet Ceramic pads. He said they have better bite that is closer to factory pads, don't squeal as bad and are as dustless as the Axxis.
What's weird about that is I would think the 'replacement' for Axxis Deluxe Advanced would simply be PBR Deluxe Advanced.

So, given that, why would Zeckhausen say the replacement is otherwise?
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FYI. you can get Axxis in OEM boxing from Beck Arnley. Exact same pads.

http://www.beckcatalog.com/#

i.e.

http://www.amazon.com/Beck-Arnley-08.../dp/B000CB1GY6

http://www.amazon.com/Beck-Arnley-08.../dp/B000CB2PCS

Beck Arnley simply imports from around the world and resells them. Sometimes in the same exact box. Other times repackaged in a Beck Arnley box.

AXXIS is a Australian company (FMP PTY, LTD) with importers and distributors in the USA

http://www.axxisbrakes.com/wheretobuy.html

http://www.axxisbrakes.com/company.html


PBR is a sister company also with its origins in Australia as well.

http://www.pbrbrakes.com/

http://www.pbr.com.au/contact/index.shtml

Note the same contact information for both PBR and Axxis:

FMP North America
Louis Luera
Marketing Manager
Makers of Axxis & PBR Brand Friction
3529 Cannon Road Suite 2B #515
Oceanside, CA. 92065
760-295-6034
619-204-7146
bmna@msn.com

Now whether the formulation in the two lines are the same is subject to debate.

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Old 05-25-2011, 11:50 AM
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FYI. you can get Axxis in OEM boxing from Beck Arnley. Exact same pads.
The information posted is very good and useful, particularly the addresses.

On the Beck Arnley, I noticed they have only one in stock for each of the links posted. So, that means, I guess, that we can only do a single axle in Axxis. Which doesn't really make any sense unless we already have Axxis on the other axle. Right?

From the fact that only one set of pads is in stock for both of those links, I'd say this might be old inventory (which makes sense if Axxis is no longer marketed in the United States).

Once that single set is sold ... then what do they do?


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Donna,

Those were just samples of what is available from Amazon. If you are looking for specific information for your 2002 525i, this is what's available from Beck Arnley see the attached picture from the e-catalog.

As far as qty 1 on Amazon, they try not to stock too much of car parts as it is wasted inventory because it doesn't move much compared to books and such.

But I have noticed, in most cases, after you order 1 within a few days the quantity goes back up to one or 2 again. This has happened numerous times with car parts on Amazon for me.

Conspiracy theorist in me states Amazon does this alot to encourage people to buy the part for fear it will go out of stock before you can buy.

Additionally, here are pictures from my cell phone of the Axxis boxing for the Beck Arnley pads I got off Amazon since you were wondering how they ship from Beck Arnley.

To put all your questions to rest, I suggest you contact Louis at FMG in California and ask him all the questions you desire regarding the marketing of Axxis vs PBR in the USA.

FMP North America
Louis Luera
Marketing Manager
Makers of Axxis & PBR Brand Friction
3529 Cannon Road Suite 2B #515
Oceanside, CA. 92065
760-295-6034
619-204-7146
bmna@msn.com

Finally, mixing brands on separate axles is no big deal as many do it all the time. The rears provide very little stopping power in the overall scheme of things. Just don't mix/match on the same axle as differences in friction material will make the car pull to the side with a better/stronger bite.
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To put all your questions to rest, I suggest you contact Louis at FMG in California and ask him all the questions you desire regarding the marketing of Axxis vs PBR in the USA
That looks like an excellent contact! I will email him asking the questions. If needed, I'll call and let you guys know, as always, what the answers are so that we can lay this age-old question to rest!

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TOP 5 Brake Pad Suppliers for the E39 (PLEASE CORRECT AS NEEDED!)
- OEMm Bimmer Parts (TX) 210-445-7090 http://www.oembimmerparts.com
- SpeedNet Motorsports (CA) 800-530-3515 http://www.speednetmotorsports.com/index.html
- Turner Motorsport (MA) 800-280-6966 http://www.turnermotorsport.com
- Zeckhausen (NJ) 800-222-8893 http://www.zeckhausen.com

- ??? (anyone else in the top 5) ???
It was noted today that OEMBimmerParts.com changed their phone number:
- How to check & replace your BMW front disc brakes and rotors

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Hey just to note- i tried calling OEM Bimmerparts and their number is no longer valid.. must be out of business? 210-445-7099 is someones random number lol
The new number for OEMBimmerParts.com is apparently as shown below:
I also updated the most-often-recommended general suppliers listing with that new phone number:
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See also the SITE SPONSOR INDEX!

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That looks like an excellent contact! I will email him asking the questions. If needed, I'll call and let you guys know, as always, what the answers are so that we can lay this age-old question to rest!
Bluebee:
I don't know if this helps, or complicates matters. The first link if from the Axxis Brakes web site and has a link to Louis Luera.

http://www.axxisbrakes.com/wheretobuy.html

The second link is from a retailer who is referenced in the first link - Brake Company

http://www.brakeco.com/Axxis%20brakes.htm
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The first link if from the Axxis Brakes web site and has a link to Louis Luera
You are really good at finding just the right contacts!

I think we can finally, within a few days, lay this question to rest:

In addition to the main question, I sent him an email asking a few others that have recently bothered me because the answers vary on this forum:

Q1: Is Axxis currently marketed/sold in North America or not?
Q2: If yes, then why is it so hard to find Axxis pads for my Bimmer?
Q3: What is the real difference between similarly-named Axxis & PBR pads?
Q4: How close are the Axxis/PBR pads to the stock E39 Jurid/Textars?
Q5: Can I find Axxis/PBR pads under another brand name?
Q6: What is the fundamental difference between the Axxis/PBR Deluxe, XBG, & ULT branding strategies?

If I don't get a response by next week, I'll call him to discuss the issues ... and ... of course ... I'll let you know the answers.
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We have confirmed: Axxis 'is' sold in the USA (it's just harder to find than PBR!)

REFERENCE:
Louis Luera, Marketing Manager of FMP North America, (makers of Axxis & PBR friction materials) 3529 Cannon Road Suite 2B #515, Oceanside, CA. 92065, 760-295-6034, 619-204-7146, bmna@msn.com)

Thanks to the pointer from dvsgene, I had a long conversation with Louis Luera (who will talk your ear off if you give him a chance)!

Here is, paraphrased, what he told me, in no uncertain terms!

Q1: Is Axxis currently marketed/sold in North America or not?
A: Yes, Axxis is marketed; yes Axxis is sold in North America.

Q2: If yes, then why is it so hard to find Axxis pads for my Bimmer?
A: There is only one licensed importer for Axxis friction materials so Axxis pads are generally less available than PBR friction materials, which have a wider distribution channel.

Q3: What is the real difference between similarly-named Axxis & PBR pads?
A: Absolutely nothing except the box.

Q4: How close are the Axxis/PBR pads to the stock E39 Jurid/Textars?
A: It's important to realize the original Jurid formulation was only put on your BMW at the factory for a few months before being reformulated. After a few more months, the Jurid friction matereial was again reformulated. And again. After about the fourth reformulation, the formula was licensed to the aftermarket, of which we are recipients. From that fourth generation Jurid formula, comes the pedigree for the Axxis/PBR replacement friction material for your BMW.

Q5: Can I find Axxis/PBR pads under another brand name?
A: Yes. For example, we sell to Centric/Stoptech & other suppliers who rebrand our friction materials as they see fit.

Q6: What is the fundamental difference between the Axxis/PBR Deluxe, XBG, & ULT branding strategies?
A: The Deluxe Advanced employs consumer consumer friendly materials which are easy on the rotors, have a long life, with low noise & almost no visible dusting, and a good grip. The XBG is in between on consumer friendliness, noise, dusting, and performance. The ULTs are closest to the original friction material on your performance BMW but the trade off is lower pad & rotor life, more noise, and noticeable dusting.

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Yeah, but does anyone really listen to you, Jason? Maybe Keith does? LOL!!
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LOL!
Keith definitely does NOT listen to me, and most people for that matter...
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Louis Luera, Marketing Manager of FMP North America, (makers of Axxis & PBR friction materials) 3529 Cannon Road Suite 2B #515, Oceanside, CA. 92065, 760-295-6034, 619-204-7146, bmna@msn.com)

Thanks to the pointer from dvsgene, I had a long conversation with Louis Luera (who will talk your ear off if you give him a chance)!

Here is, paraphrased, what he told me, in no uncertain terms!

Q1: Is Axxis currently marketed/sold in North America or not?
A: Yes, Axxis is marketed; yes Axxis is sold in North America.
Q2: If yes, then why is it so hard to find Axxis pads for my Bimmer?
A: There is only one licensed importer for Axxis friction materials so Axxis pads are generally less available than PBR friction materials, which have a wider distribution channel.

Q3: What is the real difference between similarly-named Axxis & PBR pads?
A: Absolutely nothing except the box.

Q4: How close are the Axxis/PBR pads to the stock E39 Jurid/Textars?
A: It's important to realize the original Jurid formulation was only put on your BMW at the factory for a few months before being reformulated.
After a few more months, the Jurid friction material was again reformulated. And again. After about the fourth reformulation, the formula was licensed to the aftermarket, of which we are recipients.
From that fourth generation Jurid formula, comes the pedigree for the Axxis/PBR replacement friction material for your BMW.


Q5: Can I find Axxis/PBR pads under another brand name?
A: Yes. For example, we sell to Centric/Stoptech & other suppliers who rebrand our friction materials as they see fit.


Q6: What is the fundamental difference between the Axxis/PBR Deluxe, XBG, & ULT branding strategies?
A: The Deluxe Advanced employs consumer consumer friendly materials which are easy on the rotors, have a long life, with low noise & almost no visible dusting, and a good grip.
The XBG is in between on consumer friendliness, noise, dusting, and performance.
The ULTs are closest to the original friction material on your performance BMW but the trade off is lower pad & rotor life, more noise, and noticeable dusting.

I find question #5 interesting...
Could the new Stop Tech Street Performance pads be the same as the Axxis Ultimates?
http://www.zeckhausen.com/BMW/E39.htm

And, it is interesting see that Jurid has gone through several 'formulations'....
IMO, Jurids will always be good...
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I find question #5 interesting...
Could the new Stop Tech Street Performance pads be the same as the Axxis Ultimates?
http://www.zeckhausen.com/BMW/E39.htm

And, it is interesting see that Jurid has gone through several 'formulations'....
IMO, Jurids will always be good...
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I went to www.axxisbrakes.com for the listing of retailers. There were several to choose from for the best price.
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Told ya...
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For the cross-linked record, others (in this case, E60 owners) still think that Axxis is no longer sold or marketed in the USA (which we now know to be untrue):
- E60 (2004 - 2010) > Where to buy Akebono Pads

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I did a lot of reading here and was going to go with the Axis pads but now understand that they do not import them anymore.
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