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Old 12-02-2010, 10:08 PM
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uncle j and rome, if you guys are so anti bmw WHY ARE YOU ON THE BIMMERFEST?!
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Old 12-03-2010, 05:01 AM
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Sometime in the next 10 days I'm taking delivery of my new X5 50i. My '08 Cayenne S will be traded in the deal. As someone who has been a "Porsche guy" for years, I'm looking forward to comparing the two vehicles. I've driven the Cayenne for 3 + years and 46,000 miles. I chose the X5 because a similarly equipped new Cayenne S costs $10k + more, Porsche could not locate one to my specs, ordering a new Cayenne takes 3 to 4 months and I need the Sec 179 tax deduction this year. I have two buddies who are on their 3rd X5 and they love them.
After the dust settles and I've driven the X5 for a while, I will post some comparisons regarding handling, performance, comfort, etc. Might be interesting to see how a owner of both vehicles views the differences.
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Old 12-03-2010, 05:36 AM
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After the dust settles and I've driven the X5 for a while, I will post some comparisons regarding handling, performance, comfort, etc. Might be interesting to see how a owner of both vehicles views the differences.
would definitely love to read a comparison!
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Old 12-03-2010, 07:18 AM
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cdnR. Not anti-BMW (I have had 5 of them and have one now) just not a slavish supporter of anything they do and I recognize that there are other options, some better, out there. I do have to say that I prefer Porsche to BMW, but that is based on my personal preference. Sorry if another view upsets but I tell it like I see it.
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Old 12-03-2010, 09:20 AM
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cdnR. Not anti-BMW (I have had 5 of them and have one now) just not a slavish supporter of anything they do and I recognize that there are other options, some better, out there. I do have to say that I prefer Porsche to BMW, but that is based on my personal preference. Sorry if another view upsets but I tell it like I see it.
There is room for all opinions here. My hunch is that the x5 will be more luxurious but the "pepper" will be missed if for no other reason than it's a Porsche. As they say in Germany, if you want a great car head for Stuttgart, if you want a great beer, head for Munich.
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Old 12-03-2010, 10:07 AM
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There is room for all opinions here.
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Old 12-03-2010, 11:31 AM
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Sometime in the next 10 days I'm taking delivery of my new X5 50i. My '08 Cayenne S will be traded in the deal. As someone who has been a "Porsche guy" for years, I'm looking forward to comparing the two vehicles. I've driven the Cayenne for 3 + years and 46,000 miles. I chose the X5 because a similarly equipped new Cayenne S costs $10k + more, Porsche could not locate one to my specs, ordering a new Cayenne takes 3 to 4 months and I need the Sec 179 tax deduction this year. I have two buddies who are on their 3rd X5 and they love them.
After the dust settles and I've driven the X5 for a while, I will post some comparisons regarding handling, performance, comfort, etc. Might be interesting to see how a owner of both vehicles views the differences.
Depending on your options, I think you'll really appreciate your new 50i as much as I do. In June, I narrowed my choice down to the '11 X5 50i, an '11 Cayenne S, a '10 Cayenne GTS and an '11 Rover RRS Supercharged. The new Cayenne S drove much more refined over rolling and twisty roads at a brisk pace, while the GTS was all-out brawny IMHO. I actually preferred the GTS to the new one in terms of fun to drive and exterior design (I really think they made the '11 Cayenne look soft and too feminine - even the turbo is not what I was hoping for styling-wise. There is only 1 good rim option on the Cayenne to improve the look and I think it's way overpriced, despite the nice interior). The RRS SC was certainly luxe and plenty of power, but doesn't have the handling characteristics of the Cayenne S and the new X5 50i with the sport suspension and 20" grippers. With the sport settings on and that much rubber putting down 400hp/450ft-lbs, it's a blast while with the sport off and the 8-spd allowing excellent cruising. The multi-contour seats are a must option. I could gush all day about it.
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Old 12-05-2010, 02:25 PM
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Depending on your options, I think you'll really appreciate your new 50i as much as I do. In June, I narrowed my choice down to the '11 X5 50i, an '11 Cayenne S, a '10 Cayenne GTS and an '11 Rover RRS Supercharged. The new Cayenne S drove much more refined over rolling and twisty roads at a brisk pace, while the GTS was all-out brawny IMHO. I actually preferred the GTS to the new one in terms of fun to drive and exterior design (I really think they made the '11 Cayenne look soft and too feminine - even the turbo is not what I was hoping for styling-wise. There is only 1 good rim option on the Cayenne to improve the look and I think it's way overpriced, despite the nice interior). The RRS SC was certainly luxe and plenty of power, but doesn't have the handling characteristics of the Cayenne S and the new X5 50i with the sport suspension and 20" grippers. With the sport settings on and that much rubber putting down 400hp/450ft-lbs, it's a blast while with the sport off and the 8-spd allowing excellent cruising. The multi-contour seats are a must option. I could gush all day about it.
I've had my '11 X5 5.0i now for a few days over two months. I did drive the '11 Cayenne S as well and really liked it. Loved it in fact. I honestly love my X5 though. The Cayenne may have had the edge in handling, but only driving at the edge of capability I'd say.

The power of the 4.4 turbo is fantastic, and the whole car does what it does really well in my opinion. As much as I liked the Cayenne, I have no regrets about my decision and never second guess it.
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Old 12-06-2010, 05:28 PM
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The new Cayenne is fantastic especially in S and Turbo trims. They are also very expensive. But I think they're worth the $ if you have it. Also, most vehicles on the lot do not have the PTV+ and PDCC options that take the handling of the vehicle to another level. Too bad BMW hasn't put torque vectoring DPC from X6 into X5 yet.

If Porsche could put in the V6 from the Panamera, the base trim would also be much worthy looking into.

Lastly, the fact that Cayenne is made in Germany is also a plus. AND that you can still get a manual, albeit only on the base V6.
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Old 12-06-2010, 06:33 PM
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The new Cayenne is fantastic especially in S and Turbo trims. They are also very expensive. But I think they're worth the $ if you have it. Also, most vehicles on the lot do not have the PTV+ and PDCC options that take the handling of the vehicle to another level. Too bad BMW hasn't put torque vectoring DPC from X6 into X5 yet.

If Porsche could put in the V6 from the Panamera, the base trim would also be much worthy looking into.

Lastly, the fact that Cayenne is made in Germany is also a plus. AND that you can still get a manual, albeit only on the base V6.
The new Cayenne S certainly drove well, but I don't know about the new exterior and only think one wheel option makes it look even close to the price tag, even in turbo form. $80-105K for something that looks like a Hyundai Tucson made me balk and even my local Porsche dealership manager agreed that the prior exterior design looked better. The new interior is great though, and was a much needed update. I still wouldn't trade mine for any new Cayenne.
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Porsche design overall is never that striking - it's all the signature 911 design that trickle down to other models. Most people buy a Porsche not for its looks.
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Old 12-08-2010, 07:55 AM
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+1! I would also not be surprised to see the new Porsche V6 appear in the base version next year either.
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Old 12-08-2010, 10:28 PM
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Well, this is not about any of the new ones, but in looking to move to an SUV, I tested both an 08 Porsche "S" and an 07 BMW E70 4.8...

The Porsche had no bluetooth, comfort access, ipod interface, well, I could go on, but the major deciding factor was that it was SLOW... The supposed 385hp motor could not hold a candle to the 350hp BMW...

The performance and extras did it for me... Pure and simple...
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Well, this is not about any of the new ones, but in looking to move to an SUV, I tested both an 08 Porsche "S" and an 07 BMW E70 4.8...

The Porsche had no bluetooth, comfort access, ipod interface, well, I could go on, but the major deciding factor was that it was SLOW... The supposed 385hp motor could not hold a candle to the 350hp BMW...

The performance and extras did it for me... Pure and simple...
I'll put my '08 Cayenne S up against your E70 4.8 any day of the week. I'll even give you a 100 ft. head start and I'll beat you @ one mile.

PS. Better hurry. I'm taking delivery of my X5 50i next week and trading the Cayenne S

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I'll put my '08 Cayenne S up against your E70 4.8 any day of the week. I'll even give you a 100 ft. head start and I'll beat you @ one mile.

PS. Better hurry. I'm taking delivery of my X5 50i next week and trading the Cayenne S
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I'll put my '08 Cayenne S up against your E70 4.8 any day of the week. I'll even give you a 100 ft. head start and I'll beat you @ one mile.

PS. Better hurry. I'm taking delivery of my X5 50i next week and trading the Cayenne S
As long as it will make you feel better, no problem...

I'm in NC, what time will you be here?
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As long as it will make you feel better, no problem...

I'm in NC, what time will you be here?
I'll be in Pinehurst after Christmas driving my new X5 so I guess we have a standoff or agree to disagree.
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Easy way to decide this, what are the published figures for the Cayenne S and X5 through the cones, 1/4 mile and 0-60? That should settle the question.
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Easy way to decide this, what are the published figures for the Cayenne S and X5 through the cones, 1/4 mile and 0-60? That should settle the question.
2007 BMW X5 4.8. 0 to 60=6.0. 1/4 mile=14.5
2008 CayenneS 0 to 60=6.0. 1/4 mile=14.5

I guess it's a tie.

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2007 BMW X5 4.8. 0 to 60=6.0. 1/4 mile=14.5
2008 CayenneS 0 to 60=6.0. 1/4 mile=14.5

I guess it's a tie.

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The old Cayenne is fat. Not the new one. Add on the PTV+ (torque vectoring) and PDCC and it'll be no contest. Of course, X5 is 5 years old now.
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The old Cayenne is fat. Not the new one. Add on the PTV+ (torque vectoring) and PDCC and it'll be no contest. Of course, X5 is 5 years old now.
But this was NEVER about the new one, was it...
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2007 BMW X5 4.8. 0 to 60=6.0. 1/4 mile=14.5
2008 CayenneS 0 to 60=6.0. 1/4 mile=14.5

I guess it's a tie.

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Aaaaaaaand someone now please post the published test times of the '11 50i and '11 Cayenne S. (not the manufacturer claims) I haven't seen a good test of these yet with actual performance times - anyone else? I want to see it with the 50i sport options and 20". They can use mine if needed.
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Aaaaaaaand someone now please post the published test times of the '11 50i and '11 Cayenne S. (not the manufacturer claims) I haven't seen a good test of these yet with actual performance times - anyone else? I want to see it with the 50i sport options and 20". They can use mine if needed.
Manufacturer claim for '11 Cayenne S is zero to 60 = 5.6 seconds. Motor Trend road test of '11 Cayenne S: 0 to 60 = 5.9 sec and 1/4 mile = 14.4 sec. Can't find any independent times for the '11 X5 50i. Edmunds says 0 to 60 = 5.3 sec for the 50i but they often use manufacturer claims.
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