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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 09-09-2014, 09:34 AM
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M62 Swap Help

Long story short I'm swapping an M62 Non-Vanos into my 1976 2002. Don't give me your opinion on the swap itself. I'm not very good with the whole electrical aspect of BMW's so I'm just wondering if I have to find a non-vanos specific wiring harness or if any M62 harness will work? Also is there a difference in the manual vs auto transmission harnesses? I know the computers are different but I'm wondering about the harness itself.

Would it behoove me to think about running an aftermarket stand alone system? I found this thread which is helpful but it uses too many technical terms for things I am not sure about.

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...t-1687161.html

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I would suspect it would have to be the m62 non-vanos specidlfic so the engine electronics would be compatable. With wiring harnesses would I just play it safe and get the wiring harness that is meant for the part you are getting. Sounds like an awesome build. Good luck

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You'll need the engine harness and the engine computer, at very minimum.

Yes, the trans harnesses will be different. Also, I remember that the 2002 trans tunnel is rather small, so it will require modification to fit whichever trans you select.

This is a VERY ambitious project, esp since you admittedly have scant electrical knowledge.

Before you turn a wrench, get a copy of the Bentley E39 service manual and do some research.

I do remember someone mounting such a project. Do some Google searching.
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Sounds like a cool project. Share the pics if all goes well when finished.

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Yes I realize how much fabrication will be necessary, thank you. I have multiple friends that are electrical geniuses (compared to me anyways) and they will be helping me out. I'll just have to be sure the harness is from a non-vanos then. Thank you very much! I'll be sure to post pictures but it won't be for some time as I have another project finishing up first.
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Couldnt you use a different engine with fewer electronic components. It will be a very interesting project! Keep us updated.

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Couldnt you use a different engine with fewer electronic components. It will be a very interesting project! Keep us updated.

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An LS perhaps?? lol
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I am 99% against LS swaps into anything. Too common. I have an E34 540i that I've been contemplating using the M60 from, then I would have everything from that car to swap over then I would have to swap something into that car as well... But I just recently acquired a non vanos m62 for extremely cheap and figured I'd start with that. I've also been eyeing an S50... We'll see what happens
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Coyote,

You will in fact need an m62 non tu wiring harness. TU uses a different wiring harness.

The wiring harness between the autos and manuals are identical as far the main harness going to the engine.

I just got done swapping a m62 sourced from a slush box 540i.

Everything is identical short of flywheel.
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I can't really add any help, but I'd love to see a pick of the 2002, I've loved them sense I was a wee lad.. I really love the Turbos. But yeah they're all cool.
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This is how is currently sits with an E36 M42 and 5 speed. Needs some floor pan work but otherwise I love it. And the previous owner who did the swap half-assed a lot of things, which is why I want to re-swap it. Or I suppose I could rebuild and turbo the M42

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Thanks! The closer you get, the worse it gets. I'm planning on swapping it and doing the body work at the same time. Just can't decide on a color or an engine... I'm too indecisive
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have you looked for a stand alone managment systme? i dont even know if anyone has thoguht about that..

your going to want a chipped ecu your gonna want to get rid of all the trim valuves and all the interlock safety crap
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Thanks! The closer you get, the worse it gets. I'm planning on swapping it and doing the body work at the same time. Just can't decide on a color or an engine... I'm too indecisive
I know it's a bit overplayed, but I'd go white with the BMW racing colors. The 2002's always looked great with that look. But that's me. It's ok to be indecisive. I can have my moments with that kind of stuff too.

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I second the white.. Maybe not Alpine though.. Maybe Mineral White..
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It needs a bumper though... I never really say that.. But it looks kind of insect like with out one.
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Thank you. I'm going to take a rain check on that one...haha

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I know it's a bit overplayed, but I'd go white with the BMW racing colors. The 2002's always looked great with that look. But that's me. It's ok to be indecisive. I can have my moments with that kind of stuff too.

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I'm not a fan of white on 2002's. I want something that stands out but isn't too flashy. I'm tired of being the "#2 pencil yellow" guy

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s14 almost bolts in
But bolt ins are too easy plus a proper S14 price these days is outrageous. Maybe an S62 would be better for that price

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It needs a bumper though... I never really say that.. But it looks kind of insect like with out one.
I like it with no front bumper. I might get an add-on lower valance but I have no plans of getting the bumper back. Plus if I do a V8 swap the front support will have to be modified slightly...so maybe a lower valance will be necessary...
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I like it with no front bumper. I might get an add-on lower valance but I have no plans of getting the bumper back. Plus if I do a V8 swap the front support will have to be modified slightly...so maybe a lower valance will be necessary...
Yes for the Valance. Right now it has a very "weak chin" and looks kind of feeble. This is all personal opinion of course. But the Valance should give it a more "squared jaw" making it more agressive and masculine. You know what I'm saying??
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Also, on the color. May I suggest a shade of green? This is going to seem weird but my 2002 on Gran Turismo 6 looks amazing in Sublime Green. Which is a stock color for the dodge challenger.. So it fits period. And IMHO fits the car very well..
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A front valence will happen. I was thinking of doing oxford green to match my 540.. but I'm leaning towards a metallic teal/metallic blue-green of some sort
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