Welcome to Bimmerfest -- The #1 Online Community for BMW related information! Please enjoy the discussion forums below and share your experiences with the 200,000 current, new and past BMW owners. The forums are broken out by car model and into other special interest sections such as BMW European Delivery and a special forum to voice your questions to the many BMW dealers on the site to assist our members!

Please follow the links below to help get you started!

Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > BMW Model Discussions > Z Series > E36/7 Z3 (1996-2002)

E36/7 Z3 (1996-2002)
E36/7 Z3 Roadster, Z3 coupe, Z3 M Roadster and Z3 M Coupe talk with our gurus here.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 06-16-2010, 11:27 AM
MrZip MrZip is offline
Registered User
Location: Hazelwood (St. Louis) Missouri
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 76
Mein Auto: 2006 3.0i Z4
Z-4 Getting new lifters - Are You?

Just got a call from the dealer - BMW has authorized new lifters for my N52 engine. Hopefully no more tic, tic. Service Engine light came on too, which service says points to the VANOS so I imagine some sort of sensor. Warranty is out at the end of the month - but I still have 2 years of CPO - also getting brake fluid change so the last of the "free" maintenance. Those of you with the N52 tic tic - go for the new lifters!!
__________________
[IMG]http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/546/0314131611a.jpg/]<img src=http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/6528/0314131611a.jpg border=0 alt= />[/URL][/IMG]

2006 3.0i Z4 (N52)
2003 K1200 RS
2002 X5 3.0i (M54)
2000 Z3 2.3 (Sold)
1987 325es (Sold)
Reply With Quote
Advertisement
  #2  
Old 06-16-2010, 11:34 AM
rpsz4's Avatar
rpsz4 rpsz4 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Pace, Fl
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 182
Mein Auto: 2008 135i
I had lifters installed about 5-6 months ago, had the head assembly replaced last month to finally solve the tick-tick. Since the problem is pre existing and you have CPO you should be fine should they have to replace the head later on. BTW the engine runs fantastic with the new head assembly.
__________________
K4RPS 2008 135i. Z4 gone but not forgotten
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 06-16-2010, 12:24 PM
mhughett mhughett is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Tulsa
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 462
Mein Auto: 2003 530i/2007 Z4 Coupe
Yea, the lifters didn't do it for me either. Once the head was replaced, everything was perfect and it now runs so much better. From discussions with my SA, once the decision is made to do a new head, it comes in a fully assembled component with all new valves, camshafts, etc. Essentially, it is a whole new top half of the engine. I guess this eliminates a lot of the difficulty when taking apart and re-installing these major components.
__________________
2003 530i 5-speed, SP, PP, CWP, Xenon
Bilstein Sports
UUC short shifter with DSSR and ZHP shift knob
Michelin Pilot Sport A/S
BSW IQ speakers, Sirius
CDV delete
Huper Optik tint

2007 X3 3.0si
6-speed manual, CWP, Xenon, Cft. Seats, Premium Pkg, Sirius, Privacy glass
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 06-16-2010, 03:36 PM
madurodave's Avatar
madurodave madurodave is offline
BMW Enthusiast!
Location: NH
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,577
Mein Auto: 2007 Z4+X3, 2006 530Xi
Is this a big problem? I just bought my 2007! It has just over 30k miles. Are you seeing this at a certain mileage?
__________________
Madurodave

My garage: 2007 BMW Z4 3.0si Manual, 2007 BMW X3, 2006 BMW 530xi

Retired: 1998 BMW Z3

Member of BMWCCA!
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 06-16-2010, 04:05 PM
vasr vasr is offline
Registered User
Location: san marcos,CA
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 90
Mein Auto: 2006 BMW Z4 3.0si Coupe
I had the lifters replaced in May for the lifter noise. The Z4 is now making the noise again. I also noticed that my freeway mileage took a hit with the new lifters. I get around 28 MPG freeway when before I was getting around 32. Due to shoulder surgery I haven't been able to drive the Z4 for the past month and possibly not for another month (I have a friend take the Z4 out every 2 weeks to keep her happy). When the shoulder is healed up I'll need to take it back in to see if the dealer will do a head replacement.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-16-2010, 04:09 PM
rpsz4's Avatar
rpsz4 rpsz4 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Pace, Fl
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 182
Mein Auto: 2008 135i
Some do, others don't. There doesn't seem to be an actual predictor for the problem. Mine started at about 26k and then did it intermittently up to 36k when the head assembly was replaced. Search "N52 drivers Important information about our engines" and there are bunch of posts.
__________________
K4RPS 2008 135i. Z4 gone but not forgotten
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 06-17-2010, 06:20 AM
legbuh legbuh is offline
Registered User
Location: MN
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 33
Mein Auto: 07 Z4si TriB Vert
You know, when I bought mine the dealer drove it up and I opened the hood and heard the knocking. He said "that's what BMWs sound like". I was like.. sure....

43k on a 2007 Z4si. Is this the same issue? I hear it on start up but it seems to go away once warmed up. IT's not terrible, just annoying. I'm averaging 24mpg (city and highway)
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06-17-2010, 07:28 AM
rpsz4's Avatar
rpsz4 rpsz4 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Pace, Fl
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 182
Mein Auto: 2008 135i
That was exactly what happened with my car. When the salesperson pulled the car in front of the dealership, the engine was ticking. I asked her about it and she said that it was normal. Probably afraid that she would lose my sale. Anyway, the ticking came and went every so often. Thanks to the Forum and the discussions of the problem, I was able to finally get everything fixed and now the car sounds like a BMW, quiet and smooth.
__________________
K4RPS 2008 135i. Z4 gone but not forgotten
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 06-17-2010, 08:29 AM
12thBMW 12thBMW is offline
BMW Only Since 1972
Location: Oregon
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 59
Mein Auto: '06Z4, '05X3
New Lifters Didn't Fix Ticking

I also had the lifters replaced and it DIDN'T fix the problem; they had to replace the head and that FIXED the problem finally. I bought my CPO with 12k and the ticking started shortly thereafter. The only time that BMW's had the ticking sound and were supposed to sound like that was when they had solid lifters (eg., a 2002)... I wouldn't think much of a salesperson who told you BMW's now-a-days were supposed to sound like that.
__________________

Actually:
Driving 13th(E83) & 14th(E85) BMW's
Retired: 12 BMW's (1800, 2002, E30x3, E34, E36x2, E39x2, E46, E83)
Current: 7 BMW's in Family
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 06-18-2010, 06:40 AM
legbuh legbuh is offline
Registered User
Location: MN
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 33
Mein Auto: 07 Z4si TriB Vert
So is there a TSB or recall for this? If I bring it I'd like documentation of "here's what you need to do"...
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 06-18-2010, 08:07 AM
rpsz4's Avatar
rpsz4 rpsz4 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Pace, Fl
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 182
Mein Auto: 2008 135i
Here's a post that should give you all the information you will need. http://www.zpost.com/forums/showthre...nt+information
__________________
K4RPS 2008 135i. Z4 gone but not forgotten
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 06-22-2010, 10:52 AM
MrZip MrZip is offline
Registered User
Location: Hazelwood (St. Louis) Missouri
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 76
Mein Auto: 2006 3.0i Z4
Got the exhaust lifters replaced per the SIB below: Seems to have done the trick so far.

This Service Information bulletin supersedes SI B11 09 07 dated January 2009.

SUBJECT
Intermittent Hydraulic Valve Adjuster (HVA) Noise

MODEL
All E82, E83, E88, E85, E86, E60, E61, E70, E90, E91, E92 and E93 vehicles with N51, N52 or N52K engines produced approximately up to November 31st 2008; refer to cylinder head casting identification attachment.


SITUATION
An occasional ticking or rattling noise from the camshaft hydraulic valve lifters (HVA) may occur during cold engine starts, due to frequent short-distance driving, or the noise may occur for an extended period of time even though the engine is at operating temperature.

Improved parts were phased into production beginning on 10/1/2008 and fully implemented on November 31st 2008.

CORRECTION
Do not perform the bleeding procedure that was previously provided in SI B11 09 07 which has now been deleted.

All vehicles produced between 10/1/2008 and 11/31/2008 must have each vehicle's cylinder head casting number identified before hydraulic valve lifters (HVA) replacement, due to staggered implementation. Refer to the attachment for the casting number location. Vehicles produced after 11/31/2008 have already been fitted with improved parts. Vehicles produced prior to 10/1/2008 will require the new parts.

Improved Casting Numbers

N51 (B30)
7588277.01

N52 (B30)
7588273.01

N52K (B30)
7588271.01

A cylinder head casting number that does not match will require replacement of the 12 exhaust camshaft hydraulic valve lifters (HVA) as per Repair Instruction RA 11 33 050, Removing and installing/replacing all rocker arms. Only the exhaust camshaft and rocker arms have to be removed in order to replace the hydraulic valve lifters. Do not remove or replace any intake camshaft valve train components.

PARTS INFORMATION
Part Number
Description
Quantity

11 33 7 605 330
Hydraulic Valve Lifter (HVA)
12

Refer to EPC for additional gaskets, seals and bolts, as required by the Repair Instructions.

WARRANTY INFORMATION
Covered under the terms of the BMW New Vehicle Limited Warranty, or the Certified Pre-Owned program.

Please refer to the latest KSD for the applicable Main or Associated labor allowance for the specific model.

Defect Code:
11 33 93 39 00


Labor Operation:
Labor Allowance:
Description:

00 58 248
Refer to KSD
Replace exhaust camshaft hydraulic valve lifters (HVA)

*Main Work

or

00 58 827
Refer to KSD
Replace exhaust camshaft hydraulic valve lifters (HVA)

+ Associated Work

Note: The following explanations will spell out the correct use of the work times.

Main Work:
Use this labor operation number when the only repair performed is the listed warranty repair.


OR


+Associated Work:
Use this labor operation number when other repairs or services are performed along with the listed warranty repair.
Under no circumstances should both labor operation numbers be claimed. Attempts to claim both times will result in an unnecessary delay in claim processing and payment."
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

According to the SB, there's no mention of heads replacement. To the people who also had the heads replaced, what led your dealer to replace the heads? Were they warped, burnt, damaged in any way? Should I strongly suggest that they replace the heads? Is this something to even worry about? My car is a 2006 model with build date of May/2005.
ed per SIB below:
__________________
[IMG]http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/546/0314131611a.jpg/]<img src=http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/6528/0314131611a.jpg border=0 alt= />[/URL][/IMG]

2006 3.0i Z4 (N52)
2003 K1200 RS
2002 X5 3.0i (M54)
2000 Z3 2.3 (Sold)
1987 325es (Sold)
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 06-22-2010, 01:08 PM
12thBMW 12thBMW is offline
BMW Only Since 1972
Location: Oregon
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 59
Mein Auto: '06Z4, '05X3
Head Replaced

I had the lifters replaced, but shortly thereafter the "ticking" sound came back. Before the lifters were replaced the ticking only happened when I drove short distances, shut the car off, and then after some time restarted the engine...then the ticking would start. After the lifters were replaced the engine started ticking WHILE I was driving...not a good sound at all. I left a voice mail for my SA holding my cell phone up to the engine so he and the BMWNA rep could hear the sound. That's when they said they'd replace the head; and since then no ticking.

Freude am Fahren (ohne ticking)
__________________

Actually:
Driving 13th(E83) & 14th(E85) BMW's
Retired: 12 BMW's (1800, 2002, E30x3, E34, E36x2, E39x2, E46, E83)
Current: 7 BMW's in Family
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Forum Navigation
Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > BMW Model Discussions > Z Series > E36/7 Z3 (1996-2002)
Today's Posts Search
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:17 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
© 2001-2011 performanceIX, Inc. All Rights Reserved .: guidelines .:. privacy .:. terms