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E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 06-18-2010, 12:54 PM
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Diesel all hyped up?

http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...-than-35d.html

Holy crap, and here's the proof. Enjoy.
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Old 06-18-2010, 01:05 PM
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How does a vehicle that gets more MPG, better cost to drive, more miles to tank, have a higher annual petro consumption index?

Stuff isn't jiving, and it's not Thanksgiving yet.

I'll take my 29mpg, the $4,500 eco-credit, and the $1,800 federal tax credit, along with the cargo roller shade, thanks.
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Old 06-18-2010, 01:17 PM
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^^ so defensive, just like the Celtics last night. LOL

I didn't make any of this figures up mind you.
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Old 06-18-2010, 01:24 PM
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sorry I don't think those numbers are accurate..the Diesel is by far the better option
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Old 06-18-2010, 01:25 PM
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also the diesel has 20% less emissions. anyways, who cares, i got the eco credit and tax credit. the only thing obama will ever give me. lol.
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Old 06-18-2010, 01:35 PM
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Here's the proof:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/2008s...X5%20xDrive35d

Screw the credits, it gives me a warm fuzzy to know that my 35i has a lower carbon footprint and lower energy impact than those black cloud contraptions they call the 35d...

Eat your heart out tree huggers
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Old 06-18-2010, 01:37 PM
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http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...-than-35d.html

Holy crap, and here's the proof. Enjoy.
I can see that you're trying to justify your 35i purchase but regrets keep surfacing from deep down inside

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Old 06-18-2010, 01:41 PM
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I can see that you're trying to justify your 35i purchase but regrets keep surfacing deep down inside
Dinan since we both live in Irvine, one day I will pull up next to you at the same red light - When that baby turns green all my regrets will be out the window ....
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Old 06-18-2010, 01:48 PM
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Dinan since we both live in Irvine, one day I will pull up next to you at the same red light - When that baby turns green all my regrets will be out the window ....
I have no doubt that 35i will be faster than 35D but if you like to lauch your car at every red light, I'm afraid that you bought the wrong car. You should've stick with new 550 or something along that line.

Why do I have this feeling that you have your weekend race car in your garage already...
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Old 06-18-2010, 01:50 PM
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Holy crap, and here's the proof. Enjoy.

Out of curiosity, why do you seem to be on a chronic anti-diesel crusade?

If you don't like 'em, fine, but I like mine due to the performance factor -- the high torque makes it a joy to drive in the mountains, compared to gasoline engines which constantly downshift on climbs and run at higher RPMs.
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Old 06-18-2010, 01:55 PM
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Out of curiosity, why do you seem to be on a chronic anti-diesel crusade?
Thank you for that my fellow 35D owner
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Old 06-18-2010, 01:57 PM
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I have no doubt that 35i will be faster than 35D but if you like to lauch your car at every red light, I'm afraid that you bought the wrong car. You should've stick with new 550 or something along that line.

Why do I have this feeling that you have your weekend race car in your garage already...
You're right, this one is a family car - definitely won't be launching it off the line at every light that's for sure, if that's the case I would've gotten the 50i.

I have a G37S coupe in the garage... not the fastest thing out there but fun to drive none the less.

I really have no animosity towards your 35d really, I just like being cheeky especially on Fridays.
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Old 06-18-2010, 02:14 PM
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I really have no animosity towards your 35d really, I just like being cheeky especially on Fridays.

That's all good man and TGIF
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Old 06-18-2010, 02:16 PM
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"I just like being cheeky especially on Fridays"
Same here bro, same here.

What I don't understand is why are you diesel drivers so DENFENSIVE? Why? I am just reporting what I see, again I DID NOT make any of this stuff up. Cheers!

If i see an article about how a 35i getting smoked by a 35d I would post the link here as well for sure. Cheers!
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Old 06-18-2010, 02:21 PM
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the only thing obama will ever give me. lol.
So true. Have a nice weekend everybody!
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I am just reporting what I see
Sure you are...

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Diesel all hyped up?

http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...-than-35d.html

Holy crap, and here's the proof. Enjoy.
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Old 06-18-2010, 02:41 PM
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http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...-than-35d.html

Holy crap, and here's the proof. Enjoy.
Of course, it would be nice if the math was done properly on the government website...

2011 X5 35D
446 miles on a 22.5 gal tank = 19.82 MPG
for 15,000 miles per year, 756.8 gallons divided by 42 gal/bbl = 18 BBLs

2011 X5 35i
405 miles on a 22.5 gal tank = 18 MPG
for 15,000 miles per year, 833.3 gallons divided by 42 gal/bbl = 19.8 BBLs

I guess one of our wonderful government bureaucrats has developed new arithmetic

HOLY CRAP the D has a a lower Energy Impact Score and Carbon footprint, AND tons more torque to enjoy our daily driving.
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I want nothing to do with this argument. However, the math on the website may not be wrong. The amount of diesel from a barrel of oil is not that same as the amount of gasoline.

Source some govt. website: (http://www.eia.doe.gov/kids/energy.c...il_home-basics)

A 42-U.S. gallon barrel of crude oil provides slightly more than 44 gallons of petroleum products. This gain from processing the crude oil is similar to what happens to popcorn, which gets bigger after it's popped. The gain from processing is more than 6%.

One barrel of crude oil, when refined, produces about 19 gallons of finished motor gasoline, and 10 gallons of diesel, as well as other petroleum products. Most petroleum products are used to produce energy.

Corrected math:

756.8 gallons of diesel = 75.68 barrels of oil
833.3 gallons of gasoline = 43.85 barrels of oil


Refining oil is a little more complicated than just this barrel is for gas and this one is for diesel.

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The official BMW statistics for the xDrive35i versus the older xDrive35d and the new xDrive40d (not available in the NA market)

xDrive35i
Combined consumption: 10,1 l/100km
COČ emissions: 236 g/km

xDrive35d
Combined consumption: 8,3 l/100km
COČ emissions: 220 g/km

xDrive40d
Combined consumption: 7,5 l/100km
COČ emissions: 198 g/km

So between those three motors, both diesels are cleaner and consume less fuel.
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x35i then uses 10 L=2.65 Gallons / 19 gallons of gasoline in a barrel = 0.14 Barrels of Oil

x35d then uses 8.3L=2.2 Gallons / 10 gallons of diesel in a barrel = 0.22 Barrels of Oil

x40 then uses 7.5L=1.98 Gallons / 10 gallons of diesel in a barrel = 0.198 Barrels of Oil


So you can look at this two ways:

1) Diesels consume less volume compared to gasoline.

OR

2) Gasoline consumes less barrels of actual oil than diesel.

Very interesting.


If you are really into the green thing, I encourage you to check out that link above. It honestly opened my eyes to stuff. I know diesel burns much cleaner than gas, but it really takes a lot of actual crude oil to make diesel compared to gasoline.

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.....So you can look at this two ways:

1) Diesels consume less volume compared to gasoline.

OR

2) Gasoline consumes less barrels of actual oil than diesel....
Or you can look at it yet another way...

3) Diesel is the waste product of refining crude oil into gasoline, jet fuel, lubricants, etc.. So using diesel as a fuel is ubber-green

Seriously folks, comparing how many barrels of oil are required to produce a gallon of any one of several products, created when refining a 42 gal barrel of crude, is only meaningful if there is limited use/value for some or all of the other products. IOW if the rest of the barrel of oil had little or no value. For example, one could argue that lubricants require an even greater number of barrels per gallon compared to gasoline or diesel. So what?

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