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Old 12-22-2016, 07:27 AM
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0W-30 Oil?

Just had my third "free" oil change and discovered,upon looking at the "bill",that they installed LL-11 or LL-12 (don't have the sheet in front of me) oil that's listed as 0W-30 rather that the usual LL-04 listed at 5W-30.I'm wondering if this is year-round oil.I do live in New England and do frequently travel to Quebec in winter but I'm wondering if it's also suitable from Florida (or Arizona) if I choose to drive there.

Also,completely unrelated...they replaced the rear brakes due to wear.They mentioned 3 millimeters being the threshold.Does anybody know how many millimeters are found on new ones? Just curious. TIA!
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Old 12-22-2016, 07:41 AM
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Also,completely unrelated...they replaced the rear brakes due to wear.They mentioned 3 millimeters being the threshold.Does anybody know how many millimeters are found on new ones? Just curious. TIA!
The rear brakes tripped the CBS warning/alarm, or they said that they measured 3 mm?

The brake pads will work fine (arguably better) and continue to wear at their normal wear rate until they go metal to metal on the disk. At that time they will be much less effective and damage the disk.
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Old 12-22-2016, 07:44 AM
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I believe that the general BMW diesel requirement is LL-04. Multi-grade oil is required to meet all included specifications. It is wise to buy the widest grade range properly specified.

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Just had my third "free" oil change and discovered,upon looking at the "bill",that they installed LL-11 or LL-12 (don't have the sheet in front of me) oil that's listed as 0W-30 rather that the usual LL-04 listed at 5W-30.I'm wondering if this is year-round oil.I do live in New England and do frequently travel to Quebec in winter but I'm wondering if it's also suitable from Florida (or Arizona) if I choose to drive there.
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Old 12-23-2016, 09:38 AM
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Just had my third "free" oil change and discovered,upon looking at the "bill",that they installed LL-11 or LL-12 (don't have the sheet in front of me) oil that's listed as 0W-30 rather that the usual LL-04 listed at 5W-30.I'm wondering if this is year-round oil.I do live in New England and do frequently travel to Quebec in winter but I'm wondering if it's also suitable from Florida (or Arizona) if I choose to drive there.

Also,completely unrelated...they replaced the rear brakes due to wear.They mentioned 3 millimeters being the threshold.Does anybody know how many millimeters are found on new ones? Just curious. TIA!
Lister,

Never heard of LL-11 or 12????

You may want to confirm what they gave you.

LL just means "long life", so assume synthetic.

I've always used LL-04.
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Old 12-24-2016, 11:11 AM
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Lister,Never heard of LL-11 or 12????You may want to confirm what they gave you.
IIRC I heard about it about a year ago.The "bill" has a part number 83-21-2-365-951 (6 litres).A google search indicates that it's LL-12 (I now have the bill in front of me) and is rated 0W-30.There's also an indication that it's only suited to certain engines so it might not be suited to your 335d (which was *my* first diesel...and first BMW).
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They should use LL-04, which is a low ash formulation for diesel particulate filters.
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IIRC I heard about it about a year ago.The "bill" has a part number 83-21-2-365-951 (6 litres).A google search indicates that it's LL-12 (I now have the bill in front of me) and is rated 0W-30.There's also an indication that it's only suited to certain engines so it might not be suited to your 335d (which was *my* first diesel...and first BMW).
You are correct, according this site, the BMW LL12 oils are not suitable for the 335d with twin turbo. This oil is for the newer N47 4 cylinder Diesel engine.

http://www.oilspecifications.org/bmw.php

BMW 0W30 Diesel oil meets BMW's new LongLife 2012 specs for engine oils (LL12). In addition, the new 0W rating has led to improved engine efficiency in the N47 and N57 Diesel engines. The 0W30 oils are to be released in 2016 and replace the 5W30 LL04 Diesel oil.
0W30 Diesel oil is expected to be released in early 2016.

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