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Old 09-11-2016, 04:23 PM
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Speedometer stuck at 0, SES P0503

Hey guys,

Anyone know the VSS setup on the car. As far as I can see, there isn't a single VSS on the transmission. Does the speedometer get its data from the wheel sensors?
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Old 09-11-2016, 07:15 PM
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I got this part number today. Will verify after jacking the car up.

24-35-7-646-994
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Old 09-11-2016, 09:31 PM
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Yes wheel sensors. Get a creator c110 or c310 on order.
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Old 09-18-2016, 07:45 PM
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So, the code is 2F4F. Got a faulty c310 and had to get a replacement, haha.
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Old 11-24-2016, 09:31 AM
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Swapped out a new front and rear sensor on all four corners. Still no speedometer function. I am thinking that 2F4E is related to the sensor and this code (2F4F) is something else. Not sure what to try next if anyone has suggestions.
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Old 11-24-2016, 12:21 PM
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rear drivers side sensor

>usually a bad sensor /or reluctor /or cable etc or all three or more on the rear driver side will knock out the speedo

>the 2f beginning codes just relate to loss of speed input into the dme

>the passenger side rear speed sensor knocked out usually kills the cruise control


>you can see them all live if you have DIS77 or rheingold software downloaded on your laptop

>maybe try cleaning the reluctor thru the sensor hole on the rear drivers side first .....best wishes
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Old 11-24-2016, 12:23 PM
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maybe useful reluctor/tone ring FESTCHIVE thread

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...48#post9783348
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Old 11-24-2016, 04:29 PM
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FESTCHIVE post 8&9 etc...how to "see" and clean your wheel speed sensors

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=846214

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Old 11-24-2016, 04:47 PM
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wheel speed sensor testing...FESTCHIVE post 13

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=917349
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Old 11-26-2016, 11:44 AM
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Thanks, I checked all four sensors using a new rear and front. I'll check the reluctor rings next. This issue is quite frustrating.
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Old 11-26-2016, 01:03 PM
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You'll need a new DSC module
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Old 11-26-2016, 06:17 PM
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Do you happen to know the part number for that?

Thanks for the feedback.
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Old 11-27-2016, 07:53 PM
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You'll need a new DSC module
Wouldn't the DSC have more warning lights? I only have a check engine light for 2F4F.

I don't have any of the other warning lights associated to a DSC module malfunction, such as the DSC light, Brake light, and 4x4 light.
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Old 11-28-2016, 11:15 AM
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Replaced my rear left reluctor last week, speedo was wavering before it died, had tried replacing the sensor, three times, even packing it out with small washers it(kept wearing the end off) rust had swelled it to the point off being oval, no problem now.
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Old 11-28-2016, 02:03 PM
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good job !...gooder post !

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Old 11-28-2016, 05:33 PM
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Replaced my rear left reluctor last week, speedo was wavering before it died, had tried replacing the sensor, three times, even packing it out with small washers it(kept wearing the end off) rust had swelled it to the point off being oval, no problem now.
Sounds like a plan. The only reluctor ring I checked was the rear passenger.

Thanks!
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Old 12-01-2016, 10:11 AM
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Its not that difficult to do, given the right tools, make sure you have a 36mm socket for the hub nut(not an impact) and plenty of releasing fluid for the splines, that was the longest job getting the drive shaft out of the hub. Make sure to mark your camber bar both sides saves having it re-alined, I used tipex
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Old 12-01-2016, 01:23 PM
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gotta be a 12 point ...like in the attached link

a six point will not fit the axle nut ...gotta be a 12 point

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/a...674/10051125-P


bmw axle nut 12 point image files

https://www.google.com/search?client...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

basic pics and axle diy

https://www.google.com/search?q=bmw+...u_MAvL12vTM%3A

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Old 12-01-2016, 03:39 PM
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As always, thanks for the help everyone. I'll let you know what I find.
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Old 01-14-2017, 07:26 PM
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Gave up and brought it to the dealership. They said it was the cluster. Tried to swap it with an eBay one. No dice. Any other ideas, guys.

Thanks again for all your aupport... you're the best.

What computer interprets the abs signal for the mph?
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Old 01-14-2017, 07:45 PM
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0503 ...wheel speed sensor ???..did you check em all ???

>go to go over your work plan ....clear the 0503 and see if it comes back ....itsa often wheel speed sensor code that we highlighted in the previous post.....the rear drivers side on many bmws/other vehicles can knock out the speedo input

>what did the dealership say about the 0503 ????....the protocol must be to satisfy all codes before splurging on advice for a whole new cluster....they have a logic bust or blunder or lack of knowledge

>if you get DIS57 or rheingold on your laptop you can see wheel speed outputs individually in realtime as you drive .....did the dealer do this for the 0503 ????? ....best to quiz them....they have to clear a suspect bad wheel speed sensor first

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=627032

>inputs ....bmw generic....post 6

....What are you using for a scanner? Basically you need a more BMW specific tool to look into all of the modules that have anything to do with the cruise, ECU, wheel speed sensors, etc.

And I don't have my laptop and WDS with me, but you will have to check the wiring diagrams for vehicle speed output/input. There are two different DSC modules on the E9x, ATE-Continental and Bosch. Both report a combined vehicle speed output via CAN bus, but you may have to check to see whether the DSC has a direct speed output to the ECU - doubtful but possible. If there are any DSC problems, bus faults, JBE problems, you will need a tool to help you determine a starting point.


>0503....wheel speed sensor....post 10

That's a vehicle speed sensor code; intermittent. Have you been playing with the wheel speed sensors? Perhaps the road speed signal from the procede?

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Old 01-14-2017, 07:49 PM
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I have the C110+. What should I reference?
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Old 01-14-2017, 07:51 PM
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Which harness should I begin to search for a broken connection? Thanks Swamp!!

2F4F is impalausibility, though.

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Old 01-14-2017, 07:54 PM
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0503 info

P0503 OBD-II Trouble Code: Vehicle Speed Sensor Intermittent/Erratic ...
https://www.yourmechanic.com Articles
Apr 28, 2016 - The P0503 code indicates that the Engine Control Module (ECM) has detected an inconsistent signal voltage from the vehicle speed sensor.
Anyone seen code P0503? Need some advice. - Bimmerpost
www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=627032
Dec 24, 2011 - 14 posts - ***8206;5 authors
I am getting this code and is saying it has something to do with a speed .... If you have a better code scanner that can give the BMW specific hex ...
P0503 Vehicle Speed Sensor 'A' Intermittent/Erratic/High
https://www.autocodes.com/p0503.html
P0503 CADILLAC Vehicle Speed Sensor Circuit Intermittent ... What are the symptoms on your vehicle for the P0503 code? Have you replaced ... BMW Buick.
BMW P0503 - OBD Codes - Carbon Cleaning USA
https://www.carboncleaningusa.com/di...odes/p0503-bmw
P0503. Description of the defect. Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS) Intermittent Indicates poor or noisy VSS performance. Vehicle speed data is received from either ...
P0503 OBD-II Fault Code, Speed Sensor - BMW
upkeep.us/OBDII/OBD2/BMW/piart.php?art=588
Repair Information, Analysis, and Likely Causes for OBD-II Trouble Code P0503 - Vehicle Speed (Sensor A) Intermittent / Erratic / High.
P0503 Vehicle Speed Sensor A Intermittent - OBD-Codes.com
https://www.obd-codes.com/p0503
... code, which means that it applies to all 1996-newer vehicles (Porsche, BMW, Ford, ... When a stored code P0503 is exhibited, it means that the powertrain control ... erratic, or high input voltage signal from the primary VSS, a code P0503 will ...
P0503 - p3202 - North American Motoring
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Aug 1, 2012 - 6 posts - ***8206;3 authors
P0503 - p3202. Has anyone had any experience with these codes? ... MINI DTC P0503 (0x32D0) - Vehicle Speed: Signal Too High ..... As such it has no official relationship with MINI USA, BMW AG, or BMW of North America.
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Old 01-14-2017, 07:58 PM
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C110 not able to show wheel speed sensors ???

>best to get rheingold or older DIS57 to "see"your wheel speed sensors ....not 100% sure but do not think C110 is capable

>you can also just swap the sensors and look up how to check the outputs
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