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Old 06-27-2010, 10:40 AM
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took a look at a 550i

At BMW Escondido near San Diego. Car was loaded up to $70k. I sort of got the feeling that the demographic on this car was well over 50 because it so closely resembles a 7 series. I've seen younger guys get away with a triple black e60, but I didn't get that sense here.

It's not a bad thing, I just think this car has a very mature buyer, cross shopping an S550. So I couldn't really appreciate it on the ownership level. Good looking ride though. If I had a family I could see the GT being a cool ride.
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Old 06-27-2010, 11:14 AM
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The S550 is not in the same price range as the F10 so I cannot conceive that cross shopping with the S550 is happening. People do cross shop it the Audi A6, MB E Class, and the F10 comes out ahead at this time. The F10 must appeal to some demographic because the sales have been phenomenal.
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Old 06-27-2010, 03:16 PM
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I meant I could see someone trading in an S500 and "right-sizing" in a tough economy. The car looks huge. So wide.
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Old 06-27-2010, 08:22 PM
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Was at the dealer today looking at the X6 but decided to check out the #'s on the 550i, great looking car and all but they want way to much money for it, 1300 a month bmw is nuts.
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Old 06-27-2010, 10:04 PM
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At BMW Escondido near San Diego. Car was loaded up to $70k. I sort of got the feeling that the demographic on this car was well over 50 because it so closely resembles a 7 series. I've seen younger guys get away with a triple black e60, but I didn't get that sense here.

It's not a bad thing, I just think this car has a very mature buyer, cross shopping an S550. So I couldn't really appreciate it on the ownership level. Good looking ride though. If I had a family I could see the GT being a cool ride.
Funny, I was cross shopping this with the S4 ;-)

I do have a family though, and honestly want the extra space. I love how composed the car is, the ride quality, low noise level, and honestly, it's got an enormous amount of power. The only other car I want more is a 750i. Sadly, it's out of my price range..
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Old 06-27-2010, 10:07 PM
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Was at the dealer today looking at the X6 but decided to check out the #'s on the 550i, great looking car and all but they want way to much money for it, 1300 a month bmw is nuts.
The X6 isn't exactly inexpensive either.. On the other hand, there aren't many other vehicles with that feature set that aren't in the same price range. Yes, I realize there are a few, the Hyundai Genesis comes to mind.
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Old 06-27-2010, 11:49 PM
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x6 is a SUV, the 5 series should not cost the same price as a jaguar XFR which has a lot more power. The 5 series is overpriced, the XFR is a m5 competitor and yet the 550 cost the same, please tell me there is something that is not wrong with that?
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And the XFR is no longer in production after 1 year and the 5 series is, hmmm
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Old 06-28-2010, 09:17 AM
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And the XFR is no longer in production after 1 year and the 5 series is, hmmm
Since when? http://www.jaguar.com/us/en/#/r/

The BMW M5 is out of production. Niche models go in and out of production all the time due to development. The main stream models generally do not.
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Old 06-28-2010, 10:52 AM
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x6 is a SUV, the 5 series should not cost the same price as a jaguar XFR which has a lot more power. The 5 series is overpriced, the XFR is a m5 competitor and yet the 550 cost the same, please tell me there is something that is not wrong with that?
The X6 is actually a crossover, it's not nearly the size of those vehicles that defined the "SUV" class (i.e., Lincoln Navigator, Hummer H2, Cadillac Escalade).

Yes, the 550i is expensive when optioned up. Yes, the Jaguar by certain measures is less expensive. I keep forgetting about the Jag as a competing car though, perhaps that's it's problem :-)

BMW makes a nice car and charges a premium because they can. People keep buying them as fast as they can make them, making them "worth the price" based on the laws of supply and demand.

You may not demand one, and therefore not supply them your dollars :-)
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Old 06-28-2010, 10:59 AM
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Since when? http://www.jaguar.com/us/en/#/r/

The BMW M5 is out of production. Niche models go in and out of production all the time due to development. The main stream models generally do not.
4 weeks ago it was announced, they will still keep the info on the web until all the 2010 are gone.
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4 weeks ago it was announced, they will still keep the info on the web until all the 2010 are gone.
I would bet that if this is the case it's not due to the 550i - but rather because the regular supercharged XF is too close in performance to the XFR in current tune to justify the price differential.

The XFR will likely be back with 550+ HP to be competitive with the M5, if it comes back. It's a niche model.
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What are you guys talking about, the XFR is still in production but there is no summer production because jaguar shuts down in the summer, also please don't even compare the 550i to an XFR my supercharged jag destroys it yet alone the XFR. I love bmw cars but the 550i being the same price as an XFR is insane, and just shows that all you pay for is the badge. The performance of the 550 is nowhere near the XF and looks wise if you put the XFR next to a 550 the 550 will look extremely plain.

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I'm hypothesizing based on Sync550i's comment about the discontinuation of the XFR.
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What are you guys talking about, the XFR is still in production but there is no summer production because jaguar shuts down in the summer, also please don't even compare the 550i to an XFR my supercharged jag destroys it yet alone the XFR. I love bmw cars but the 550i being the same price as an XFR is insane, and just shows that all you pay for is the badge. The performance of the 550 is nowhere near the XF and looks wise if you put the XFR next to a 550 the 550 will look extremely plain.
I don't like the looks of the Jag, either interior or exterior. For that reason alone I wouldn't buy one. Yeah, it's got more power, but that's not my only criteria.
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I don't like the looks of the Jag, either interior or exterior. For that reason alone I wouldn't buy one. Yeah, it's got more power, but that's not my only criteria.
For someone not to like both the exterior and interior of the XF they must either be blind or a BMW fan boy.
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What are you guys talking about, the XFR is still in production but there is no summer production because jaguar shuts down in the summer, also please don't even compare the 550i to an XFR my supercharged jag destroys it yet alone the XFR. I love bmw cars but the 550i being the same price as an XFR is insane, and just shows that all you pay for is the badge. The performance of the 550 is nowhere near the XF and looks wise if you put the XFR next to a 550 the 550 will look extremely plain.
I recently shopped the competition to see what's available and took a good hard look at the XF. The XF is a nice looking car with BMW-like driving dynamics. It has a great contemporary exterior (very striking) and nice clean interior if not a little gimmicky. When comparing the XF to the F10, the XF Supercharged would be the model to stack up against the 550i (XFR matches up to the M5). The Supercharged and the 550i (well equipped) are close in price and performance. I must say, I was very impressed with the XF. However, the electronics are just adequate (last generation), the reliability stats per JD Power were the lowest of its comparo group, and the lease rates were at or near the bottom (RV of 50 for a 36/mo 12k lease). IMO, when you factor all of this together, the XF is less value for the money even if you are able to get it for a few dollars less than the BMW. The lease is more costly for the each dollar spent, and if you buy the car there is the issue of obtaining a good price when you sell. For the most part you don't have these issues with BMW.
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Carnuts the supercharged XF cost 400 a month less then a 550, that says it all right there the 550 lease is way overpriced.
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For someone not to like both the exterior and interior of the XF they must either be blind or a BMW fan boy.
No, it just means I don't like the Jag. So, if you're a Jag fanboy why are you trolling a BMW forum?
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What are you guys talking about, the XFR is still in production but there is no summer production because jaguar shuts down in the summer, also please don't even compare the 550i to an XFR my supercharged jag destroys it yet alone the XFR. I love bmw cars but the 550i being the same price as an XFR is insane, and just shows that all you pay for is the badge. The performance of the 550 is nowhere near the XF and looks wise if you put the XFR next to a 550 the 550 will look extremely plain.
As stated the XFR is not a direct competitor to the F10 550. The "XF Supercharged" would be more or/less a direct competitor engine output wise. Personally, I think the F10 550 will pull the XF-SC. I will give the Jag credit for its handling dynamics and exterior design exectuion. Overall I think the interior and technology are not on par with the F10 5er. I give the Jag credit though, as it is a night day difference compared to it's "S-Type" predecessor.

I am sure the M5 will prove to be the arch nemesis of the XFR, and I'm putting that nicely.
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Carnuts the supercharged XF cost 400 a month less then a 550, that says it all right there the 550 lease is way overpriced.
Giants, here are my numbers:

JAG - I don't have Supercharged lease rates so I used Premium rates:

36/mo 12K lease w/$2500 cost cap reduction
$68,000 MSRP; $62,425 sale price
50% RV; .00158 MF (MSD's not offered)
$869 + tax monthly lease payment

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36/mo 12K lease w/$2500 cost cap reduction
$67,825 MSRP; $64,920 sale price
56% RV; .00230 MF (.00181 MF w/7 MSD's)
$910 + tax monthly lease payment ($861 + tax w/ 7 MSD's)

Unless the Supercharged lease rates are substantially better than the Premium rates, the monthly lease costs of the Jag and 550i are within $40/mo of each other. If you put down seven refundable multiple security deposits on the BMW, the monthly lease costs are essentially made equal. BTW, I got the Jag lease rates from the dealer, and the BMW rates on this form.
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What are you guys talking about, the XFR is still in production but there is no summer production because jaguar shuts down in the summer, also please don't even compare the 550i to an XFR my supercharged jag destroys it yet alone the XFR. I love bmw cars but the 550i being the same price as an XFR is insane, and just shows that all you pay for is the badge. The performance of the 550 is nowhere near the XF and looks wise if you put the XFR next to a 550 the 550 will look extremely plain.

I'm not sure who told you that but I was very close to buying one and have talk to socal largest dealer Galphin jaguar in Van Nuys as well as Newport beach jaguar and any sales manager will tell you that they are not going to produce the XFR anymore. But your right you can't compare the 550i to the XFR just like you cant compare the 550i to the M5 but one thing you can't overlook is that the XFR must have failed even at a great price were as the 550i at a so called over priced sticker has not failed and never has since its beginning of production.
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for someone not to like both the exterior and interior of the xf they must either be blind or a bmw fan boy.
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The X6 is actually a crossover, it's not nearly the size of those vehicles that defined the "SUV" class (i.e., Lincoln Navigator, Hummer H2, Cadillac Escalade).
The X6 is really tiny inside. Don't get me wrong, it's comfortable for 4 people in the 2+2 configuration, but it's more about style than moving stuff. It has as much interior room as my Honda Insight.

My friend has a red on tan seats X6 with black Y spoke BMW wheels. He gets compliments on it all the time. Very unique ride.
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