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Old 07-01-2010, 06:57 AM
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Stealership price on 100k service & plugs?

400 for service and 300 to change the plugs?? Is this normal?
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Old 07-01-2010, 07:32 AM
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Get a price from a good BMW indy shop!
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Old 07-01-2010, 07:41 AM
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Thanks, I just did that. There's a local Euopean shop that my Volvo friends have been raving about for years. Waiting for call back with prices.
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Old 07-01-2010, 08:35 AM
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400 for service and 300 to change the plugs?? Is this normal?
That's why they're called stealerships no?
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Old 07-01-2010, 09:29 AM
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~$300 for plugs is the norm for the stealership.
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Old 07-01-2010, 10:43 AM
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The NGK BKR6EQUP plugs can be obtained for around $15 - $25 ea. discounted price,

but the ones with the BMW logo from the dealer are about twice that.

So dealer must be figuring 0.5 hr. labor to come up with $300 total. (6 x $40 parts + $60 labor, taxes, shop supplies, etc.)

An indy shop might be charging you about $180 for the 6 non-BMW logo plugs, plus labor.

I don't think we have an X3 Spark Plug DIY, but E46 owners seem to do the job easily in under 1 hr.,
and the job would be very similar:

http://www.linquist.net/motorsports/bmw/plugs

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Old 07-01-2010, 11:38 AM
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Awesome DIY, thanks for the link. X3-terrestrial, do you think that we should add another section in the DIY posts of "non-X3 specific, but still are the same since they use the same parts" and include this one? My reasoning is that since the 3 series share alot of the same anatomy as our X3's (or vice versa, depending on how you look at it).
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Old 07-01-2010, 12:14 PM
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Thanks for the replies. Do the NGK plugs last 100,000 miles like the OEM plugs? Thanks for the DIY instructions; not sure I want to tackle it, but maybe?
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Old 07-01-2010, 01:38 PM
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I really would change the plugs by yourself, it really isn't hard nor immensely difficult.
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Old 07-01-2010, 01:56 PM
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Do the NGK plugs last 100,000 miles like the OEM plugs?
Yes, they are the same as the factory plug.

(Unless they decided for some production to go back to the Bosch Platinums of ill-repute)

Most any platinum plug is good for at least 100K miles.

In some cases, the recommendation for changing is based more on ensuring that they haven't bonded too strongly to the cylinder head, which can make removal a challenge.
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Old 07-01-2010, 02:25 PM
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Yes, they are the same as the factory plug.

(Unless they decided for some production to go back to the Bosch Platinums of ill-repute)

Most any platinum plug is good for at least 100K miles.

In some cases, the recommendation for changing is based more on ensuring that they haven't bonded too strongly to the cylinder head, which can make removal a challenge.
That would be my luck to break one off in the head; don't have the patience I had as a kid when I did all my own DIY..
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Old 07-08-2010, 06:25 AM
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Napa has the regular NGK platinum in stock retail 10 bucks, my cost 4 and change. The "laser" platinum they have to order at twice the cost. What's the difference???

edit...NAPA sold me BKR6eGP, but the plugs shown on the DYI link end in QUP? So, I guess I'm supposed to get the more expensive ones?? Any help here?
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Old 07-08-2010, 11:22 PM
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Unless they decided for some production to go back to the Bosch Platinums of ill-repute
Could you clarify? What are the bad Bosch plugs? I'm curious because I just got new plugs for my X3. Requested OEM, believe they were Bosch made in Japan.
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Old 07-09-2010, 10:49 AM
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Could you clarify? What are the bad Bosch plugs? I'm curious because I just got new plugs for my X3. Requested OEM, believe they were Bosch made in Japan.
It's from some years back, when the newly introduced Bosch Platinum +4's were heavily advertised.
Auto parts places that couldn't get the NGK's were pushing the Bosch plugs.
They cost much less than NGK's, so probably contained a very small amount of platinum.

They may have worked well in some cars, but there were lots of reports of bad performance and/or very short life.

Some people just went back to standard copper plugs to restore performance.

Bosch did issue a statement that they were not recommended in engines that used one coil pack serving a pair of plugs (waste spark ignition)
- didn't apply to any BMW engines that I know of.

Things may have moved along since then, but BMW switching from Bosch plugs to NGK deserves some consideration.

The old saying of, "only put Bosch plugs in German cars, and NGK plugs in Japanese cars"
is likely no longer valid.

See how things go with Bosch plugs in your X3 - they will probably serve you very well.
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Old 07-09-2010, 12:01 PM
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We have both available for those who are in need...

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Old 07-09-2010, 12:18 PM
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SuperCourse, thanks for the history lesson.

Everything seems to be running fine, don't notice anything unusual.

Does the "made in Japan" label on my plugs mean they're actually NGK?
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Old 07-09-2010, 02:33 PM
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Does the "made in Japan" label on my plugs mean they're actually NGK?
Bosch nowadays have plants all over the world (but maybe not China, yet?)

I did read once that some AC Delco plugs are made for them by NGK -
could be the same for Bosch, but I kind of doubt it.

Just competing with NGK and Denso on their own turf to leverage the knowledge, technology and skilled labor, etc.
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The NGK BKR6EQUP plugs can be obtained for around $15 - $25 ea. discounted price,

but the ones with the BMW logo from the dealer are about twice that.

So dealer must be figuring 0.5 hr. labor to come up with $300 total. (6 x $40 parts + $60 labor, taxes, shop supplies, etc.)

An indy shop might be charging you about $180 for the 6 non-BMW logo plugs, plus labor.

I don't think we have an X3 Spark Plug DIY, but E46 owners seem to do the job easily in under 1 hr.,
and the job would be very similar:

http://www.linquist.net/motorsports/bmw/plugs
NGK spark plugs at orilleys are very cheap platinum about $3.25 iridium $7. and lazer platinum is $9. skip the logo can't see it inside the engine any ways it's sealed inside the engine
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Old 11-05-2013, 02:29 PM
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At 100k you should be doing the coil packs and the plugs.
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At 100k you should be doing the coil packs
why? dont these throw faults when they go?
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why? dont these throw faults when they go?
They do, along with a deeply unpleasant misfire, and when one goes, you are highly likely to see the other go shortly afterwards.

And they go at about 100k. Like spark plugs they don't last forever, if you roll the dice you will find they go on you at an awkward moment, but they will definitely go. Change them at 100k ish. If you are really penny pinching, buy a set of 6 and keep them in the garage.

Use the Bosch ones.
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Old 11-05-2013, 03:09 PM
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They do, along with a deeply unpleasant misfire, and when one goes, you are highly likely to see the other go shortly afterwards.

And they go at about 100k. Like spark plugs they don't last forever, if you roll the dice you will find they go on you at an awkward moment, but they will definitely go. Change them at 100k ish. If you are really penny pinching, buy a set of 6 and keep them in the garage.

Use the Bosch ones.
I would not spend any money until they go, I've never actually had one go out
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Old 11-05-2013, 04:25 PM
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I would not spend any money until they go, I've never actually had one go out
I used to agree with you until I got an N52. Two went within one month, after that I changed all six and moved on with my life.

If you are taking apart they engine top cover to fit plugs at 100k, changing the coil packs is wise.
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Make sure

Get the proper torque specs for the plugs and use the proper anti-seize. Search this forum I was involved in a couple threads about how to do this. Be careful breaking the old ones loose.
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..... and use the proper anti-seize.
Another one of those issues which generates disagreement, but here again for everyone's consideration is NGK's word on the matter:
http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/pdf/tb-...1antisieze.pdf
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