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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki |
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General diagnostic procedure for a single or multi-cylinder E39 intermittent misfire?
As our beloved E39s get older, more misfire threads seem to appear, where "replace this" or "replace that" is thrown out as the solution.
Rather than just throw parts at the problem, let's compile a DIAGNOSTIC procedure for debugging WHICH parts to replace to resolve the misfire. As is my bent, I'll embarrass myself (in the next post) by creating a framework E39-misfire-diagnostic summary for others to correct. This summary will be based mostly on three of the roughly 150 posts in this intermittent cold-start single-cylinder misfire thread; so the summary needs to be fleshed out to be of general use for: - Single-cylinder misfire diagnostic procedure (intermittent or constant, cold-start or warm) - Multi-cylinder misfire diagnostic procedure (intermittent or constant, cold-start or warm) PLEASE IMPROVE SO ALL BENEFIT FROM THE EFFORT! |
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In my case, this was the presumptive misfire scenario:
A) Misfire occurs more than once/200 revolutions in one cylinder, so that DME cuts off fuel for that cylinder's nearby injector; B) A DTC diagnostic trouble code is thrown indicating the cylinder that misfired and that the fuel was subsequently cut off & the SES service engine soon light comes on solid yellow (not blinking) to warn the driver; C) Even if the misfire no longer occurs, the fuel cutoff is only corrected upon the next ignition cycle (or clearing of the DTC with a diagnostic tool if, for some reason, the vehicle is kept running). D) The SES remains lit for about 50 miles and 3 starts; but the DTC should remain stored for longer than that (how long?). And, here's what lild said to look for 1--bad fuel 2==trash or gunk in fuel 3---spark plug valve cover seals 4---head gasket leak, or cracked block 5---bad spark plugs 6==bad coil pack or boot (Bentley says to diagnose with an oscilloscope) 7---bad 02 sensors 8---bad maf mass air flow sensor or meter 9---bad fuel injector 10---cracked ring 11---cam shaft sensor cps 12==crank sensor cps 13---bad ground wires 14--- bad fuse or relay 15---bad electrical wiring 16--- dme, or ecu (Digitial Motor Electronics, i.e., the engine computer) 17--intake manifold gasket leak 18--ccv--aka pcv, crankcase oil separation valve 19--icv--idle control valve 20--tps==throttle position sensor 21-- bad VANOS seals (actually poolman added this one) Here's the algorithm I gleaned from reading everything I could in bimmerfest on the topic (before the above two summaries were made): 0. When you notice a BMW cold-start stumble ... 1. Shut the ignition off & wait 30 seconds before restarting 2. The stumble may go away but look for the SES light on the cluster which should remain 3. If you see an SES, check for a P1349 code and reset the MIL 4. If you have a P1349 code, swap ignition coils between #3 & #4 5. If the intermittent start stumble moves to cylinder #3, replace the coilpoolman coil recall information here) 6. If the start stumble returns on cylinder #4, swap or replace the plug 7. If the stumble returns on cylinder #4, swap or replace the plug boots -----< after this point, I think we're moving away from the specific cylinder >----- 8. If it returns on cylinder #4, clean the MAF (hot film air-mass meter) with CRC & replace the air filter 9. If it returns, replace the "cam position sensor" (is there one specific to cylinder #4?) 10. If it returns, replace the Cam Position Sensor CPS (is this specific to cylinder #4?) 11. If it returns, replace the post-cat oxygen sensor (the pre-cat 02 sensor is not implicated) 12. If it returns, replace the VANOS seals (can variable valve timing affect only a single cylinder?) -----< after this point, we're really shooting in the dark >----- 13. If it returns, replace the CCV (aka CVV oil separator valve) 14. If it returns, replace the fuel filter (one guy suggested replacing the fuel pump) 15. If it returns, add a bottle of Seafoam or Techron concentrate to the fuel 16. If it returns, clean the ICV (idle control valve) with carb cleaner -----< people really suggested all these items in the respective threads 17. If it returns, replace the hose from the MAF to the engine 18. If it returns, replace any cracked "T-connection after the MAF sensor" 19. If it returns, replace the "valve cover gaskets (VCG) into the spark wells" 20. If it returns, clean or replace all the fuel injectors 21. If it returns, replace the "coolant temperature sensor" 22. If it returns, replace the alternator to raise the voltage (yes, this has been suggested) -----< ok, these were listed as solutions but they aren't feasible >----- 23. If it returns, move to Georgia (from Michigan 24. If it returns, drive the car every day (don't let it sit for two days) 25. If it returns, check the "intake boot" for cracks and replace if necessary 26. If it returns, replace the "throttle position sensor" (TPS) Note: Don't laugh; I've read dozens of threads and each of these has been posited as the "solution" to this intermittent problem! Last edited by bluebee; 11-21-2010 at 10:01 AM. |
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Here's my attempt at GENERALIZING that procedure for use by others.
BACKGROUND: A) If a misfire occurs more than once in 200 revolutions in any one cylinder, the engine computer (DME) cuts off fuel for that cylinder's nearby injector in order to protect the emissions system; B) A DTC diagnostic trouble code is thrown indicating the cylinder(s) that misfired and that the fuel was subsequently cut off & the SES service engine soon malfunction indicator light (MIL) comes on solid yellow (not blinking if it's only once in 200 revolutions) to warn the driver of the problem; C) Even if the misfire no longer occurs, the fuel cutoff is "permanent" in that it is only corrected upon the next ignition cycle (or by manual clearing of the DTC with a diagnostic tool if, for some reason, the vehicle is kept running). D) The SES remains lit for about 50 miles and 3 starts; but the DTC should remain stored for longer than that (how long?). Theoretically, if an engine isn't running, it's ALWAYS one of the following requirements: a) Gas, b) Air, c) Spark, d) Timing, e) Compression More specifically, a precise fuel:air ratio must be ignited at the right time with enough compression to explode. So, all misfires, somehow relate to one or more of those five fundamentals being skewed. Specifically, here's what to look for (somewhat in this order based on an anecdotal survey of misfire threads):
What we need is an E39 engine misfire debugging algorithm (here's a start): When you notice a BMW E39 engine stumble ... it's always either gas, air, spark, compression, or timing; so concentrate on factors that affect those 5 requirements!
Now we start handling specific component tests, repairs, & replacements:
Last edited by bluebee; 01-17-2011 at 10:03 AM. |
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Some of the open questions that remain to be answered are:
For completeness & accuracy: Q: What else is missing from the sum total of suspected parts? Q: What needs to be fixed in the flow chart diagnostic procedure? And ... for diagnostic purposes: Q: How do you test the CMP (cam shaft position sensor)? Q: How do you test the CKP (crank shaft position sensor)? Q: Is there a test for the post-cat oxygen sensor? Q: How do you test the fuel system delivery? Q: How do you test the ICV (idle control valve)? Q: How do you test the VCG (valve cover gasket)? Q: How do you test the TPS (throttle position sensor)? |
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Over here, a misfire turned out to be a bad DISA valve.
Here's what the OP had to say: "Removed the DISA valve. BMW calls it 'adjuster unit', also have seen it called 'manifold adjuster'. The plastic hinge pin was broken on mine, so the flap was just hanging there inside the intake manifold! What a poorly designed piece of garbage. Apparently, the flap remains closed, restricting air intake, until higher RPM's, then it opens to allow more air flow. The valve is not variable, and is either all the way open or all the way closed. Mine was hanging open - running lean. I was very lucky no parts had flown off YET. Replaced the valve (BMW - $220), problem solved - car runs great and no more codes!" |
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Wow, looks like you put a lot of time into this. Thanks! I have the morning stumble in cold weather, and the occasional SES. This will come in quite handy for me.
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Bluebee, thanks for doing this! I have a misfire on our 03 540 that i am currently dealing with. SES first pointed to O2 which I replaced, then it pointed to #3 cylinder misfire AND multi cylinder misfire. I cleaned MAF, replaced all plugs and cylinder #3 coil/boot, car runs "better" but misfire still happens when "I put my foot into it"; I cleared the code and it has since stayed off but the misfire still occurs. I think my next step will be to replace the remaining coils unless anyone has another suggestion ????????
BTW - will a failing Camshaft Position Sensor throw a code ? |
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Notice this description from this excellent canonical thread about the CPS when it comes to failure modes ...
"M52TU engines (99-00) were the first with this vanos. They experience the cold weather cold start ideal jolt symptom, which is quite aggravating. This symptom was patched up in the M54 and M56 software. So, M52TU cars have the most aggravated owners due to the cold morning symptom, but the M54 & M56 engine cars are also experiencing the vanos failure. They will experience a loss of torque and power, particularly in the lower RPM range (< 3K). They might also experience the lower RPM engine hesitations and hiccups. As you know, owners are also now starting to experience engine fault codes. The fault codes are all related to the vanos exhaust side. The vanos exhaust side cylinder has a powerful spring inserted in it. The spring advances the piston by default to cause advanced exhaust valve timing. This assures no overlap in intake and exhaust valve opening at startup, allowing for a smooth startup. It takes significant oil pressure to oppose the spring and retard the piston. Due to failing (leaking) piston seals the DME becomes unable to retard the exhaust piston. This scenario manifests in the following vanos exhaust side fault codes: P1520 (BMW 104, 0x68): B (exhaust) Camshaft Position Actuator (faulty reference value). P1523 (BMW 106, 0x6A): B (exhaust) Camshaft Position Actuator Tight or Jammed (mechanically stuck). P1397 (BMW 18, 0x12): Camshaft Position Sensor B (exhaust) Circuit. The Camshaft Position Sensor (CPS) is a common failure. But if replacing the exhaust CPS (w/ OEM CPS) doesn't work then it's likely the vanos failure . " In addition, this is pertinent to misfires:"What are the symptoms of a failing vanos? On autos with the M52TU engine (98/99-00) the failing vanos is causing engine idle jolts (dramatic drops) and possibly a stall on cold engine starts (< 55 F / 13 C). On other cars with the M52TU, M54, M56 engines, car performance will be degraded. The engine will bog and hiccup at lower RPM's (< 3k). There will also be a general loss of torque and power, mostly at lower RPM's (< 3k). How can I verify my vanos is failing? On M52TU engine autos (98/99-00) experiencing the cold engine idle jolts, the vanos intake solenoid (metal cylinder) electrical connector can be disconnected. If the idle jolts cease then the problem is most likely the vanos." |
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The point of this thread is to contain ALL the commonly asked misfire diagnostic questions!
The question came up today about the numbering of cylinders. V8 M62, M62TU, Firing order... 1-5-4-8-6-3-7-2
i6, M52, M52TU, M54, Firing order... 1-5-3-6-2-4
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I am so thankful for all the help this forum has provided. Without it, I might have given up too soon & not been able to fully appreciate this cool car!
I bought my 540i6 from someone who didn't keep any records. He didn't seem to be very mechanically inclined either. He was mostly interested in vanity - he was quick to point out all the cosmetic things he had replaced (cup holders & etc). He wasn't interested in keeping up with the maint. paperwork either. I had a misfire, and without any documentation, here is what I did towards this problem. I needed to establish a 'stick in the sand' so I could have a known base line. I did this by buying a code reader & after reading the codes, I cleared them & performed the most basic of tune ups (replaced the valve cover gaskets, spark plugs, plug boot & coils). I still had a misfire & since I had rulled out the coils & spark plugs, I checked for vacuum leaks (none) & I checked the MAF & other intake parts (all clean & looked good/ new). In the process of this work, I found lots of evidence that led me to believe this has been a recurring issue with this car. I decided to proceed with the assumption that all the obvious items had already been checked or replaced. This led me to think about the process a bit more. Since it idled very smooth & ran well under high intake vacuum conditions, I was looking for causes under higher loads. All I could come up with was poor electrical signal transmission to the injectors & coils. I decided to start at the injector connections. After wiggling the fuel injector elec connector on the offending cylinder, the misfire went away. Sometimes, we overlook the most basic things. However, after 13 years, the electrical connectors may have just enough oxidation to create an erratic connection. My plan is to clean all the connectors when the car is down waiting for the pixel repair. In the mean time, I'm driving her every chance I get. |
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It's awhole lot easier than that you just need a scanner. If thers a fault for your cam senors, ther the problem, if your mass air flow is at fault you will also have fuel trim faults same as a clogged fuel filter. if you have a single cylinder misfire, swap the plug to another cylinder and swap the coil to a seperate cylinder i.e. misfire cylinder 3 swap the plug with the one from cylinder 1 and the coil with cyl 2. if the fault follows one of them thers ur problem if it stays its your inkector. if you have mutiple misfire and lean faults stored most likely you need and fuel filter or its your crankcase vent valve. Mass air flow sensors rarely set misfire faults they will set fuel trim faults and also may set a fault for the icv
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also alittle trick iv learned from my experiance working on these cars, If you have a m54 that runs fine but when the coolant guage gets to the top of the blue during warm up and starts to misfire real bad and may even stahl but then goes away as it warms up and sets mutiple misfire faults your vanos unit is faulty even tho it dosent set a vanos fault
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i hope all of this helps |
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I added it all below after doing a recopy of the BMW E39 misfire-detection & resolution algorithm from post #3 above (because I can no longer edit that post), and continuing below. - How to diagnose a BMW E39 engine misfire (1) BMW E39 engine misfiring is ALWAYS due to one of the following:
Multi-cylinder system & specific component tests:
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Hi folks,
thank you for this excellent thread on the 6-cylinder-misfire thing. Although many people seem to experience this problem, there is only litte to be found on the web about it that makes sense. I want to add something, though: After I bought my BMW 6 months ago, it was not running very well, only on 5 cylinders most of the time. My BMW had the following error codes: Misfires on Cyl. 4, Cylinder cut-off due to misfires, Lambda values out of mearuement range, fuel injection at maximum range, intake cam shaft sensor broken. I first replaced the camshaft sensor and all the hoses of the crank shaft housing valve and the valve itself. The lambda, fuel injection and cam shaft sensor errors were solved, the misfire (though without the cut-off of the cylinder no. 4) persisted. I replaced many parts, like ignition coils and plugs, spark plugs, wiring from DME to ignition coils and some faulty temperature sensors. I cross-changed ignition coils, injectors and so on. I cleaned the injectors in an ultra sonic cleaner. I checked the cam shafts for abnormal pitting or wear. Before opening the engine itself, I wanted to make sure there is no other, cheaper source for the misfire. So I found myself a company that checks and repairs DME-units. And guess what, they told me that the circuit/amplifier/mosfet is broken that does control the injector of cylinder 4....unfortunately, repairing it will cost about 600 $ :-/ So, if the misfire is only on one cylinder and does not move to another one when cross-changing parts between cylinders, make sure you find someone to check your DME. I read about so many people replacing their hydros (are the called like that) or worse for 1000s of dollars with no effect...better make sure the DME is working properly. Best regards Oliver aka Tomcat0815 Last edited by Tomcat0815; 02-17-2011 at 11:20 AM. |
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a member a while back posted a downloadable bentley, i belive the first version. if you can find that, it could help people to test any sensor they want to test, and all can be tested including the fuel pump, relays, etc...
a vcg is hard to test, usuall when they go bad, one of or both will happen. oil will leak down the side of the motor, and will burn off the exuasht, the other is it will leak into the cylinders. and if that happens and you get a specific misfire, when you take the plugs out, it should be a dead give away. as matter of fact if you can it, a lot of manuals have pics. of worn out plugs and what should cause them to mess up. also one part that could play a factor is a air temp sensor, not the one that gives you the outside temp but the one located in the air intake manifold. it monitors the temp of the air in the intake. but that rarely goes bad. also a disa valve were added after 8/98, so the early e39 don't have them. and folks who have a k&n can over oil them on the reclean, and the extra oil can mess up the maf, so the maf may not be bad. you also have engine temp sensor, that monitors the temp of the motor, you have two one that goes to the guage and on to the ecu. and a leaking head gasket can do the trick too. a compression test is the only way to find out.
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LATEST UPDATE:
- How to diagnose a BMW E39 engine misfire (1) BMW E39 engine misfiring is ALWAYS due to one of the following:
Multi-cylinder system & specific component tests: (1) (2)
Here is a misfire-diagnosis video showing the coil swap trick: - Here is a video showing the Brakleen vacuum test trick: - Last edited by bluebee; 05-17-2011 at 07:29 AM. Reason: Constantly edited to add links to diagnostic hints found in other threads |
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Instead of starting a new thread I figured I would just ask here to consolidate info. I have multiple cylinder misfires, and fuel trimm additive codes. I suspect a vacuum leak is the culprit. so Id like to have a list of all of the possible places a leak could occur. If anyone with experience diagnosing vacuum leaks could help it would be great.
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Have you tried this one?
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I have. With mixed results.
BTW, today a 'propane' way to test for vacuum leaks was proposed: - E39 (1997 - 2003) > 2003 525IT-Smog Failed |
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For vacuum leaks, I proposed this thread to outline ALL E39 vacuum lines:
- Might we be able to list, with pics (realoem diagrams ok) of ALL E39 vacuum lines? And, while doing some research, I ran into this excellent summary of performance-related problems, from the expert in VANOS, Rajaie himself: - Subject: Re: BMW E39 528i touring 1999 model auto
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I think Bluebee is a cyborg robot from the future that knows something about the E39s that we dont. It is blues mission to inform us with as much information about the E39 as humanly possible so we can back up all the valuable info that Blue has provided so the internet wont become human and destroy all the information on this site.
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Not only is this info helpful for E39s, this is what Im goin to check off through for an E46 thats having issues. Ive already gone through about half the checklist for finding the misfire fault.
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- E46 (1999 - 2006) > rough idle at stops Since I'm not sure whether 'rough idle' equates to 'misfire' in people's minds (it does in mine), I was hesitant to point the user to this thread. May I ask the general community this question: Q: Is a BMW E39 "rough idle" the same or different than a "misfire"? If so, how? |
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