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Old 07-08-2010, 05:21 PM
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F10 vs 2008 528i - not meeting expectations

I have been the owner of a 2008 528i with Sports package - not a roaring fast vehicle, but tight and quick and a good balance of taughtness and comfort.. My lease ends in July 2010 and my plan was to pop into my local dealer, drive a 535i and likely place an order. Well, my plan has been thrwarted. I drove the 535i and impressions are:

- moving from German "clean, basic and elegant interior" to "lets copy Audi/Caddy/E-Class/etc. I thought the 5 was to be the "drivers car" and the 7 the "luxury car"?
- surprised how slow the 535 felt in terms of what I expected against my 528i.
- do not like more conservative lines
-overall disappointment with the vechicle as one who appreciates the perfect blend of sport and comfort, which the old 5 had in spades.


Overall, just not enough of a car to create a passion in me to buy another. So I drove an x5 with sports package and think I have found a vehicle that retains the simplicity in the interior and has enough of the dynamics in its drive that I can look forward again to the morning commute.

Perhaps I am in the minority, but why has BMW chosen to water down and polish-up what was such a great formula? I fear for what the new aggressive looking A6 and perhaps even a re-born Saab 9-5 does to the 5 series....
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Old 07-08-2010, 06:12 PM
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I respect your experience and opinion. It seems that if the F10 is not "properly" optioned out with the sports package, the adaptive suspension and active steering it may have a somewhat sluggish feel to it based on other reviewer comments. Did the 535i you drive have these packages or was it the base model? These same reviewers have indicated that which the right packages, the vehicle retains its sporting character and driver connection to the road and is an improvement over the outgoing model.
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Old 07-08-2010, 07:16 PM
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"Perhaps I am in the minority, but why has BMW chosen to water down and polish-up what was such a great formula? "

You got it! They want to sell more cars.
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Old 07-08-2010, 08:31 PM
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I did drive the 535 with sports package and set the car into "Sport and "sport +" modes. It certainly felt much better, but I left disappointed since the vehicle somehow is missing the dynamics I like in even my humble 528i.
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Old 07-08-2010, 10:10 PM
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I on the other hand feel that the new F10 with dynamic package is much superior than the E60. The styling is also much more sharper and sportier and cleaner than the jumbled up look of the E60. I have no desire for the interior with the double hump dashboard on the old E60. The new F10 is elegant inside and is very luxurious.
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Old 07-08-2010, 11:57 PM
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I on the other hand feel that the new F10 with dynamic package is much superior than the E60. The styling is also much more sharper and sportier and cleaner than the jumbled up look of the E60. I have no desire for the interior with the double hump dashboard on the old E60. The new F10 is elegant inside and is very luxurious.
I agree I had a 2008 M5 and people looked at me funny when I told them it cost 95K. sometimes people expect more for there money than simplicity. That being said I'm much happier with my 550i not missing the M5 one bit and you can take that to the bank....
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Old 07-09-2010, 01:53 AM
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I respect your experience and opinion. It seems that if the F10 is not "properly" optioned out with the sports package, the adaptive suspension and active steering it may have a somewhat sluggish feel to it based on other reviewer comments. Did the 535i you drive have these packages or was it the base model? These same reviewers have indicated that which the right packages, the vehicle retains its sporting character and driver connection to the road and is an improvement over the outgoing model.
I don't care how poorly it was optioned. When an SUV (granted it's a BMW) handles sportier than a proper "sport" sedan, it's a sad day for BMW.
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Old 07-09-2010, 01:59 AM
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I don't care how poorly it was optioned. When an SUV (granted it's a BMW) handles sportier than a proper "sport" sedan, it's a sad day for BMW.
I'm not sure how the law of physics applies that a X5 Curb Weight (lbs) 5192 out handles a 535i Curb Weight (lbs) 4050. It's just my opinion..
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Old 07-09-2010, 02:04 AM
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I'm not sure how the law of physics applies that a X5 Curb Weight (lbs) 5192 out handles a 535i Curb Weight (lbs) 4050. It's just my opinion..
Not my opinion. To be fair, I never test drove the X5 to tell you how it handles. I am just responding to (or going by) what the OP and wessew said.

By the way, are you saying that a Hyundai Elantra (sub 3000 lb) will beat an M3 (3700+ lb) in handling if I follow your logic?
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Old 07-09-2010, 02:52 AM
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Thanks for sharing your experience man. I agree on you.
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Old 07-09-2010, 03:30 AM
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Arciver, the next 3 Series, due out in about a year, may be more to your liking. It will be larger, with a simpler interior than the F10 as you desire. Being a smaller car than the F10 it will handle better. .
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Old 07-09-2010, 03:51 PM
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Not my opinion. To be fair, I never test drove the X5 to tell you how it handles. I am just responding to (or going by) what the OP and wessew said.

By the way, are you saying that a Hyundai Elantra (sub 3000 lb) will beat an M3 (3700+ lb) in handling if I follow your logic?
To keep it in perspective lets not try to compare apples to oranges, so let's stick to BMW. BMW 128i is a 3252lbs it would out handle a M3 If it had more power.
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Old 07-09-2010, 04:35 PM
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To keep it in perspective lets not try to compare apples to oranges, so let's stick to BMW. BMW 128i is a 3252lbs it would out handle a M3 If it had more power.
The 135i is very close in performance to the M3.
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Old 07-09-2010, 11:16 PM
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I'm not sure how the law of physics applies that a X5 Curb Weight (lbs) 5192 out handles a 535i Curb Weight (lbs) 4050. It's just my opinion..
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To keep it in perspective lets not try to compare apples to oranges, so let's stick to BMW. BMW 128i is a 3252lbs it would out handle a M3 If it had more power.
Apples to oranges?! Does the law of physics you speak of apply differently based on the badge on the hood? Does gravity affect cars differently because one has the Hyundai badge and the other BMW?

Even if that were true, are you seriously comparing handling of the M3 to the 128i? Have you even test driven the two?


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The 135i is very close in performance to the M3.
Maybe if you consider the 0-60 time to be the only criteria of performance. Lap time comparison.
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Old 07-10-2010, 04:51 AM
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Thanks for the article. I took 4 1/2 years of German in school, but I don't remember enough to know what the article says. But you are correct that the M3 outperforms the 135i. The M3 has 414hp, the 135 only 300hp. So, of course there is no comparison. I was only referring to 0-60 in any case. A friend of mine test drove an M3 as a possible replacement for his 550i 6 speed manual. He found it too sluggish off the line. That's because it only has 295 lb ft of torque. The 135 has 300 lb ft and weighs less so it is probably a little faster in its initial acceleration but still overall slower to 60 mph. But, as you point out, the 0-60 times are the only place where the performance is even close.
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Old 07-11-2010, 06:21 PM
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To kabosh this conversation, if you don't like the 2011 5-series, don't buy it.

Your car is what - 3 years old?

And after a TEST DRIVE the new car is "... not meeting expectations" ? Really ?
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Old 07-12-2010, 07:47 AM
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I have been the owner of a 2008 528i with Sports package - not a roaring fast vehicle, but tight and quick and a good balance of taughtness and comfort.. My lease ends in July 2010 and my plan was to pop into my local dealer, drive a 535i and likely place an order. Well, my plan has been thrwarted. I drove the 535i and impressions are:

- moving from German "clean, basic and elegant interior" to "lets copy Audi/Caddy/E-Class/etc. I thought the 5 was to be the "drivers car" and the 7 the "luxury car"?
- surprised how slow the 535 felt in terms of what I expected against my 528i.
- do not like more conservative lines
-overall disappointment with the vechicle as one who appreciates the perfect blend of sport and comfort, which the old 5 had in spades.


Overall, just not enough of a car to create a passion in me to buy another. So I drove an x5 with sports package and think I have found a vehicle that retains the simplicity in the interior and has enough of the dynamics in its drive that I can look forward again to the morning commute.

Perhaps I am in the minority, but why has BMW chosen to water down and polish-up what was such a great formula? I fear for what the new aggressive looking A6 and perhaps even a re-born Saab 9-5 does to the 5 series....
I have an '08 535xi coming off lease soon so I've been following several forums a lot lately. With my kids (and their stuff) getting bigger my E60 has been feeling tighter and tighter, so I was planning to look at the wagon...until I learned they yanked it from NA in lieu of the GT. With the GT not doing it for me, I'm starting to look at the X5. I've never driven one and I'm not an SUV fan, but I do like the looks and interior space...and with the new 3.5T, it may work for me. Does your X5 with sport have the suspension enhancements, or just the sport cosmetics? Any other thoughts coming from a 5 to the X5?
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The current X5 is based on the E60.
In what way? Never heard this before.

As an aside, I'm a E60 to X5 convert... surprised to find the X5 is cheaper than a comparable AWD 5-series, and a lot more practical for my uses. For how I drive, it's as solid as a sedan, so no drawback. And I love the diesel option.
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It's that "5" in "X5"
If you're asking me I'm currently in a 535xi, looking at moving to a X5.
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In what way? Never heard this before.

As an aside, I'm a E60 to X5 convert... surprised to find the X5 is cheaper than a comparable AWD 5-series, and a lot more practical for my uses. For how I drive, it's as solid as a sedan, so no drawback. And I love the diesel option.
They share the same platform. BMW is currently running 2 base platforms I believe:

1/3/X1/X3/Z4
X5/5/7

That's why you see a lot of common technology, chassis components, engines, drivetrains between the cars. It's cheaper to develop and manufacture. It's also one of the reasons why cars are so heavy, since the basic platform needs to be shared across models.
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Old 07-17-2010, 02:59 PM
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I have been the owner of a 2008 528i with Sports package - not a roaring fast vehicle, but tight and quick and a good balance of taughtness and comfort.. My lease ends in July 2010 and my plan was to pop into my local dealer, drive a 535i and likely place an order. Well, my plan has been thrwarted. I drove the 535i and impressions are:

- moving from German "clean, basic and elegant interior" to "lets copy Audi/Caddy/E-Class/etc. I thought the 5 was to be the "drivers car" and the 7 the "luxury car"?
- surprised how slow the 535 felt in terms of what I expected against my 528i.
- do not like more conservative lines
-overall disappointment with the vechicle as one who appreciates the perfect blend of sport and comfort, which the old 5 had in spades.


Overall, just not enough of a car to create a passion in me to buy another. So I drove an x5 with sports package and think I have found a vehicle that retains the simplicity in the interior and has enough of the dynamics in its drive that I can look forward again to the morning commute.

Perhaps I am in the minority, but why has BMW chosen to water down and polish-up what was such a great formula? I fear for what the new aggressive looking A6 and perhaps even a re-born Saab 9-5 does to the 5 series....
I believe my reaction would have been much more positive to the new 5 if the steering were not so annoyingly numb and Audi-like. There is a lot to like about the new design but the steering is a big negative.
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That being said I'm much happier with my 550i not missing the M5 one bit and you can take that to the bank....
You know what? As a former 2006 M5 owner myself I absolutely believe you!
I think I would even pick the F10 550i over the upcoming M5. The "package" BMW delivered on this one (technology, performance AND fuel-consumption) is simply amazing!
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Old 07-17-2010, 09:28 PM
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They share the same platform. BMW is currently running 2 base platforms I believe:

1/3/X1/X3/Z4
X5/5/7

That's why you see a lot of common technology, chassis components, engines, drivetrains between the cars. It's cheaper to develop and manufacture. It's also one of the reasons why cars are so heavy, since the basic platform needs to be shared across models.
Interesting.
Is the brand new X3 for 2011 included in this platform arrangement, or are you only referring to the outgoing X3?
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