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Old 07-27-2010, 02:59 PM
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Engine oil change in my 2009 335d

I sucked out all the oil from my 2009 335d. The oil is dark black and was changed by the dealer 2000 miles back. Is it typical for the oil to be so dark?
Also, the oil filter from the dealer had only 1 rubber O-ring, the other two o-rings are
do not come with the BMW oil filter.
I added almost 8 qts. of oil and checked the oil level after driving around, and checked it
on a level surface. the oil still shows to be 25% over the minimum mark.
Do I need to add more oil?
The oil is Castrol professional OE 5W-30 from the dealer.
Please advise
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Old 07-27-2010, 03:28 PM
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In diesel engine, the oil get black very fast. This is normal.
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Old 07-27-2010, 03:49 PM
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I sucked out all the oil from my 2009 335d. The oil is dark black and was changed by the dealer 2000 miles back. Is it typical for the oil to be so dark?
Also, the oil filter from the dealer had only 1 rubber O-ring, the other two o-rings are
do not come with the BMW oil filter.
I added almost 8 qts. of oil and checked the oil level after driving around, and checked it
on a level surface. the oil still shows to be 25% over the minimum mark.
Do I need to add more oil?
The oil is Castrol professional OE 5W-30 from the dealer.
Please advise
Thanks
As noted, diesel oil darkens quickly due to particulate contamination.

The oil filter kits only come with the large oil ring -- the small ones are typically not replaced during a routine oil change.

Are you measuring the oil level with the dipstick, or the idrive display?
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Old 07-28-2010, 04:59 AM
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I sucked out all the oil from my 2009 335d. The oil is dark black and was changed by the dealer 2000 miles back. Is it typical for the oil to be so dark?
Also, the oil filter from the dealer had only 1 rubber O-ring, the other two o-rings are
do not come with the BMW oil filter.
I added almost 8 qts. of oil and checked the oil level after driving around, and checked it
on a level surface. the oil still shows to be 25% over the minimum mark.
Do I need to add more oil?
The oil is Castrol professional OE 5W-30 from the dealer.
Please advise
Thanks
The M57 takes 7.5 liters which is 8 quarts (7.9X quarts to be exact).

Use the dipstick when measuring.

Diesels create soot so the color is normal. It'll be black within 2k miles. No worries.
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Old 07-28-2010, 06:43 AM
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Oil change in 335d

I am using the dipstick and measuring after the oil has reached operating temperatures.
Also, this is dumb question, but the installation of the oil filter in the oil filter housing,
I installed where the part# on the filter is facing down. I did not check the old filter.
Or it does not matter?
Please advise.
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Old 07-28-2010, 09:34 AM
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....the installation of the oil filter in the oil filter housing,
I installed where the part# on the filter is facing down. I did not check the old filter.
Or it does not matter?
Please advise.
It shouldn't matter.
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Old 07-28-2010, 10:33 AM
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most cartridge type filters have an oil baffle to prevent the oil from draining out of the filter housing when the car is off. Normally the cartridges are marked 'TOP' (or OBEN) for this reason. So I would say it probably DOES matter, but since I don't have a diesel BMW I can't be sure...
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Old 07-28-2010, 10:46 AM
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oil filter 335d

there is no marking saying Top or Oben on this genuine BMW oil filter for 335d.
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Old 07-28-2010, 10:53 AM
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most cartridge type filters have an oil baffle to prevent the oil from draining out of the filter housing when the car is off. Normally the cartridges are marked 'TOP' (or OBEN) for this reason. So I would say it probably DOES matter, but since I don't have a diesel BMW I can't be sure...
Yeah..There's no baffle inside the filter but if there is one it's probably in the housing itself.


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Old 07-28-2010, 12:24 PM
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Back to the OP question about oil level, if after turning off the engine and letting the car sit on a level surface for 10 minutes, the level is only 25% above the lower mark on the dipstick, you should add more oil. Start with adding 1/4 quart followed by a re-check of the oil level after 10 minutes. See where the level is on the dipstick and then you can adjust as appropriate until you get to the full mark (topmost) on the dipstick. The next time you replace the oil, you will know how much oil to add from the get-go.

Be sure to check for leaks around the oil filter housing.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:53 PM
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Back to the OP question about oil level, if after turning off the engine and letting the car sit on a level surface for 10 minutes, the level is only 25% above the lower mark on the dipstick, you should add more oil. Start with adding 1/4 quart followed by a re-check of the oil level after 10 minutes. See where the level is on the dipstick and then you can adjust as appropriate until you get to the full mark (topmost) on the dipstick. The next time you replace the oil, you will know how much oil to add from the get-go.

Be sure to check for leaks around the oil filter housing.
I plan to start some intermediate do-it-myself oil changes (between my "complimentary" OC's from the Center, that is..) Helpful to know these snippets of info, guys. I'm even more glad we have dipsticks in the M57TU2D30 (think that's the full motor #) engine. Pretty hard to make these fine-adjustments in oil level with the iDrive display, eh? Plus you cannot see, feel, touch and smell your oil either*-- w/o the simple old 'stick...

*can't help it- I'm a tactile guy-->
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Old 07-28-2010, 11:04 PM
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There's and Diesel Engine OIL level display on the iDrive ???

Which model year did they revert to an iDrive oil level display for Diesels?

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Old 07-29-2010, 12:40 PM
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Which model year did they revert to an iDrive oil level display for Diesels?

HERESY !!

Don't make me use the colonoscopy analogy.
2008 - since we in the U.S. did not qualify for the MY 2008 d edition E90. BMW realized that U.S. d owners would never countenance a missing dipstick, and added one with the MY2009.

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Old 07-30-2010, 02:58 PM
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Also, this is dumb question, but the installation of the oil filter in the oil filter housing,
I installed where the part# on the filter is facing down. I did not check the old filter.
Or it does not matter?
Please advise.
Because of your posting, I was looking closely at my oil filter when I changed my oil at 2,500 miles. In fact, the part number for the oil filter was on the BOTTOM of the oil filter as it was installed at the factory. So I installed the new oil filter with the part number at the bottom of the oil filter canister.
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Old 07-30-2010, 03:04 PM
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Which model year did they revert to an iDrive oil level display for Diesels?
I have a 2011 335d and I cannot find a display of oil level on the iDrive. It says that the oil is "OK" and that I don't have to change it for 12,000 miles but it does not give any display of the actual oil level.

(My 2008 335i iDrive has a display of oil level.)
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Old 07-31-2010, 07:34 AM
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Regarding oil filter for 335d

The OE BMW oil filter only comes with one big oring and 1 copper washer.
However, there are 3 o-rings on the oil filter assembly.
Mann and Hengst oil filters comes with all 3 o-rings.
Talking to the BMW tech, they say they only replace the big o-ring and not the other ones.
My older 7 series BMW oil filters (OE BMW) came with all the o-rings.
I have to check the i-drive and see if mine checks the engine oil level, i basically use the dipstick.
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Old 07-31-2010, 08:03 AM
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The OE BMW oil filter only comes with one big oring and 1 copper washer.
However, there are 3 o-rings on the oil filter assembly.
Mann and Hengst oil filters comes with all 3 o-rings.
Talking to the BMW tech, they say they only replace the big o-ring and not the other ones.
My older 7 series BMW oil filters (OE BMW) came with all the o-rings.
I have to check the i-drive and see if mine checks the engine oil level, i basically use the dipstick.
I've only checked my oil level once, it was spot on, that was about 4k miles ago. I'm at 13k now, going in for first service.

Don't see what all the fuss is about?
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There is no "fuss"

This is just "fact gathering."

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Old 01-28-2011, 06:54 PM
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Thumbs down Oil Change Fail..

Hey beamer community. i own a 2006 330i and i was replacing the oil on the car (mobil 1) which is simple but became very difficult. I noticed it came with a rubber ring and a copper ring for the oil filter. I replaced all the parts on the oil filter but the problem im having is i didnt find the copper ring anywhere so i figured it would go inside on the oil cap shaft. My problem now is that the car swallowed the coppper ring. HELP!! how do i get it out. its killing my car. i cant drive it down the road without it jumping in the rpms. Its skipping gears, jumpping to redline, losing ppressure power. i have offically messed up my car and i believe its the coppper ring loose somewhere in my oil line. any suggestions??
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Old 01-28-2011, 08:22 PM
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Ouch!

The copper ring is for the drain plug,

So I assume you have removed the oil filter and cannot find the copper washer anywhere in the oil filter canister or on the oil filter cap shaft?

Are you sure it's gone missing? You've taken the filter off the filter cap/shaft, examined the oil canister, and cannot find it?
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Old 01-28-2011, 08:46 PM
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Yea Penguin your telling me. ouch or fail is the best word to describe it.
I took the filter off, cap/shaft, examined every part of the oil canister i could and i found a drain that leads where the oils added so maybe its in there. i cant find this washer anywhere. the worse part its not like it was my first oil change in my life. i just hate that i ruined such a nice car. This should cost a pretty penny to get this thing found. any ideas besides going to the dealer? maybe a magnet?
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Old 01-28-2011, 08:52 PM
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Yea Penguin your telling me. ouch or fail is the best word to describe it.
I took the filter off, cap/shaft, examined every part of the oil canister i could and i found a drain that leads where the oils added so maybe its in there. i cant find this washer anywhere. the worse part its not like it was my first oil change in my life. i just hate that i ruined such a nice car. This should cost a pretty penny to get this thing found. any ideas besides going to the dealer? maybe a magnet?
If it's really a copper washer, rather than copper plate, a magnet won't help. My concern is that it might have gotten into the oil pump and trashed it.

That's said, I am not familiar with the oil flow, so I do not know if this is possible.

Makes sure the metal washer has not damaged the shaft or oil filter such that it is no longer sealing correctly.

It's sounding like it's professional mechanic time. I would not run the engine any more until it is found/diagnosed.
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Old 01-28-2011, 08:55 PM
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A magnet wouldn't likely attract copper unless it is an alloy.

You might also lose the magnet down that rabbit hole.
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I've only checked my oil level once, it was spot on, that was about 4k miles ago. I'm at 13k now, going in for first service.

Don't see what all the fuss is about?
The fuss is because changing/checking oil is one of the few things people can do themselves and therefor over analyze

But seriously, in 13k miles of ownership I have checked my oil once. I did it because I started getting a warning light on my dash that never gave me any description as to what it was warning for. One day after shutting down the car the display on the dash flashed a low oil message. So I checked and sure enough it was a quart low. Interesting enough the dealer topped that off for free yet will not top off DEF for free :/
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