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Old 02-19-2015, 10:05 AM
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2010 BMW in the shop for CEL, BMW denying DEF/SCR related parts CA emission warranty

My 2010 with 51000 miles has had CEL on intermittently now for the past 2 months. Car is now a the dealer claiming the following part numbers are broken and are not covered under BMW CA emissions warranty:
16197204753
16197227394

I looked up the parts and they seem to be related to the SCR pump unit. Since when is BMW denying SCR pump units under CA emission warranty?
Dealer wants $2200 for the fix. Telling me the truth?
I called BMW NA customer relations and they've basically said only the dealer can deal with BMW warranty dept to get this covered.

Does anyone else have any further recourse on this? Of course, if I decide to give up and take my car home and then take it to another dealer, I'll be on the hook for $150 in diagnostic fees. If I do find a friendlier dealer who gets BMW to cover the said broken parts, will I be reimbursed?

Very frustrated, should've gotten a 335i!
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Old 02-19-2015, 12:05 PM
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Well the parts are actually not part of the pump, but the SCR processing unit. Unfortunately this part is not covered under the CA emissions warranty. I just got off the phone with another dealer's service guy who confirmed this. So if you don't have extended/cpo warranty you're SOL if these parts break. Since I'm in a smog testing county and can't get rid of the god-forsaken urea/egr/dpf system, I'll just have to eat the $2200 charge and dump this car afterwards.

So for those on the fence about extended warranty... It's mandatory if you want to keep this car. Otherwise, sell it before your warranty runs out....
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Old 02-19-2015, 12:17 PM
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Would it be cheaper to have an independent shop do it and eat the $150 fee from the dealer?
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Old 02-19-2015, 12:20 PM
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Would it be cheaper to have an independent shop do it and eat the $150 fee from the dealer?
The indy's here don't know jack about our 335d's. The extent of their experience is basically basic maintenance like brakes/fluid changes.
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Old 02-19-2015, 04:55 PM
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Sorry to hear that. Good luck to you! Hopefully they fix your car and you won't have any other issues with it.
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Old 02-19-2015, 05:06 PM
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My 2010 with 51000 miles has had CEL on intermittently now for the past 2 months. Car is now a the dealer claiming the following part numbers are broken and are not covered under BMW CA emissions warranty:
16197204753
16197227394

I looked up the parts and they seem to be related to the SCR pump unit. Since when is BMW denying SCR pump units under CA emission warranty?
Dealer wants $2200 for the fix. Telling me the truth?
I called BMW NA customer relations and they've basically said only the dealer can deal with BMW warranty dept to get this covered.

Does anyone else have any further recourse on this? Of course, if I decide to give up and take my car home and then take it to another dealer, I'll be on the hook for $150 in diagnostic fees. If I do find a friendlier dealer who gets BMW to cover the said broken parts, will I be reimbursed?

Very frustrated, should've gotten a 335i!
Why not post the codes and let those here see whats up. What parts are these number for that they say must be replaced. Does your VIN have any open diesel recalls open?
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Old 02-19-2015, 05:08 PM
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I don't have the codes, unfortunately I wasn't able to pull them before dropping off at the dealership.

The parts are #8 and #19 below, they're mounted above the DEF tank.
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Old 02-20-2015, 11:09 AM
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Quick update, BMW has decided to do a 'good will' repair on my car. Short of finding a way to disable the SCR, EGR, DPF without notifying the nanny state, I'll be getting rid of this car before the next SES light comes on.
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Old 02-20-2015, 12:05 PM
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The probably decided to goodwill it when they found out the dealership had quoted you $2200 to replace $140 worth of parts
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Old 02-20-2015, 03:37 PM
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Quick update, BMW has decided to do a 'good will' repair on my car. Short of finding a way to disable the SCR, EGR, DPF without notifying the nanny state, I'll be getting rid of this car before the next SES light comes on.
Sorry for your troubles. Every time I read one of these threads I count my blessings that I decided to trade my 335d before the warranty expired. BMWAG has done a terrible job with the engineering of this engine. There are far too many instances of emissions related failures that should not be happening on a well designed engine.
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Old 02-20-2015, 04:01 PM
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sorry for your troubles, but perhaps I can help? Will your dealer allow you to bring the applicable OEM parts for them to install, and you simply pay for labor?

part 753 and 754 shows a cost of $52.94 each + $12 flat rate shipping from the lowest cost online dealer I can find...let me know if you want me to give you the link of the dealer to order this from.
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Old 02-20-2015, 07:08 PM
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a month before mine expires going to get rid of the diesel. That will be
2017 model. Not sure if will stay with BMW. Since have had so many issues
with the diesel and only 10,000 miles, know it will not get better. Will someone
get a good SUV with under 20K. I don't think so, too many diesel emission issues

What found becoming more irritating than diesel noise is the truck like steering
of the X. The new electric units are more to my liking. Sure don't want the Y spoke
20's again. Just too wide
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Old 02-20-2015, 10:18 PM
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a month before mine expires going to get rid of the diesel. That will be
2017 model. Not sure if will stay with BMW. Since have had so many issues
with the diesel and only 10,000 miles, know it will not get better. Will someone
get a good SUV with under 20K. I don't think so, too many diesel emission issues

What found becoming more irritating than diesel noise is the truck like steering
of the X. The new electric units are more to my liking. Sure don't want the Y spoke
20's again. Just too wide
I noticed your most recent posts make it seem like you're totally done with the X5d. I went back to your posts when you first got the thing and back then it was dead silent, couldn't hear any diesel noise. It seems like two months ago something happened that set you off on the X5 and ever since it's nothing but I hate this thing and it sounds louder than a Ford Power Stroke.

Did the noise level change or are you just bored with it?
Did something major break?

Just trying to connect the dots between love my new car to can't wait to get rid of it and what happened in between and was it the car's fault?
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Old 02-20-2015, 11:29 PM
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Sorry for your troubles. Every time I read one of these threads I count my blessings that I decided to trade my 335d before the warranty expired. BMWAG has done a terrible job with the engineering of this engine. There are far too many instances of emissions related failures that should not be happening on a well designed engine.
You're lucky you dumped it while your car was still worth something. My fully loaded $57,000 MSRP 2010 335 is probably only worth $16000 on trade in. What's even sadder is that my wife's 2010 Honda Pilot Touring is worth about the same. The MSRP for her Pilot? $42,000. Tells you how much the used car wholesale market thinks about the long term viability of these cars. BMW should own up to these diesels and cover the DPF & EVERY g-d part of the cursed DEF/EGR/PCV systems till 10 yrs/120,000 miles like they did with the HPFP debacle.

These diesels are only worth it if you live in a non-carb state and never have to smog them as ripping out all the emission crap makes these M57 powered vehicles reliable again.
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