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Old 08-10-2010, 01:33 PM
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What is best motor oil for '04 BMW 530i?

I was looking to purchase a case of motor oil for my '04 530i and went to Mobil 1's website. They reccommend Mobil 1's 0W-40 oil. I'm pretty sure the dealer told me they use a fully synthetic 5W-30. Does anyone have any reccommendation on the best motor oil?

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Old 08-10-2010, 01:43 PM
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You'll get 500 different answers.

My response is anything that meets BMW's specifications for your car.
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Old 08-10-2010, 02:47 PM
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BMW uses BMW oil which is a repackage of Castrol European Formula 0w-30.

Castrol European you can find at some auto stores.
Mobile 0w-40 you can find at Walmart and most auto stores. Some Walmarts have the 0w-40 in the 5qt container and you save some more money.

If you do some research on some of the oil forums on the net you'll find those oils all perform very similar to each other and are very good. It is not worth worrying about or going out of your way to get one or the the other.


This what BMW says...........
•Castrol Syntec European Formula SAE 0W-30


•Mobil 1 SAE 0W-40


•Pennzoil Platinum European Formula Ultra SAE 5W-30


•Valvoline SynPower SAE 5W-30

I've never seen Valvoline SynPower on the shelf anywhere that is BMW LL-01 approved. So I'm assuming this is a European grade. I've also never seen the Pennzoil Platinum European on any shelf.

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About 6 bucks a quart.
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Also ELF/TOTAL is VERY good. ITs a true synthetic. BMW's synthetic is 50% believe it or not. (still a good choice, nevertheless)
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Also ELF/TOTAL is VERY good. ITs a true synthetic. BMW's synthetic is 50% believe it or not. (still a good choice, nevertheless)
We are getting scammed then?
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BMW's synthetic is 50% believe it or not.
Seems like BMW would have a tough time explaining away that one.
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Seems like BMW would have a tough time explaining away that one.
Should it say - Full Synthetic Blend?
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Also ELF/TOTAL is VERY good. ITs a true synthetic. BMW's synthetic is 50% believe it or not. (still a good choice, nevertheless)
Proof please... I like this.
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Proof please... I like this.
It has to do with a rating. The TOTAL oil is a "4" and the Castrol that BMW uses is a "2" So in terms of rating, a 4 is a true synthetic. However I was told that both ratings pass as synthetic. TOTAL is just of higher quality as it is NOT mass produced for "full maintenance" applications.

FYI... TOTAL is a major sponsor of the RBR F1 (Red Bull Racing) and RENAULT F1 racing teams.
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I think I got what you mean... just be careful when you say 50% synthetic as it connote a TOTALly diff meaning. It implies 50% mineral oil content - thus a blend. Castrol and BMW may not like the implication.
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i went through this matter 2 weeks ago when i tackled my first self performed 2004 530i oil change. i read all i can from this forum about this topic. i ended up buying BMW oil since it was a little cheaper than the alternatives mentioned by the others ( unless they are on sale).
i also bought an oil extractor- PELA which made it possible to change oil without raising the car. i also bought the oil filter from BMW. total cost for my 1st oil change, including cost of oil extractor was $ 147 Canadian including taxes. Succeeding oil changes will cost about $85 only, a saving of around $65 from the BMW dealer oil change price.
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i went through this matter 2 weeks ago when i tackled my first self performed 2004 530i oil change. i read all i can from this forum about this topic. i ended up buying BMW oil since it was a little cheaper than the alternatives mentioned by the others ( unless they are on sale).
i also bought an oil extractor- PELA which made it possible to change oil without raising the car. i also bought the oil filter from BMW. total cost for my 1st oil change, including cost of oil extractor was $ 147 Canadian including taxes. Succeeding oil changes will cost about $85 only, a saving of around $65 from the BMW dealer oil change price.
Funny because I can get my local dealers here in NJ do the oil service for around $60
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Depending on where you live and the climate us how you'll determine te proper weight. In colder areas such as ny you would go with a 0w40-10w40 in warmer areas such as florida where I live you go with a 15w40or45-20w50 lighter oil in cold thicker in heat.
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Btw only use mobil1 or motul or amsoil. Synthetic. My BMW mechanic is 64 he's been working with bimmers for 42yrs. He recommends those three.
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FWIW ... We listed the motor oil to use and all the dozen fluids for the E39 here. Maybe it will help.
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Typical oil thread. Only 17 posts and a lot of misinformation and gibberish already. To the OP, asking this question on a car forum is poor form, it gets asked repeatedly, gets answered with the same nonsense every time. Do yourself a favor and SEARCH.

There is no 'best' oil.

You car needs BMW LL-01 approved oil.

You can find the LL-01 approved oils that are readily available in the US on BMWUSA website, here: http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...ngineOils.aspx

Most owners use either the BMW Synthetic or Mobil 1 0W-40, although some seem to be attached to the Castrol 0W-30. I have never seen the Valvoline/Pennzoil product for sale. There are other boutique oils that meet the LL-01 approval that can be found, like Total/Elf, Motul or Lubro-Moly and many others, but not readily.

Mobil 1 0W-40 is the only one that can be found in Wal-Mart.

Mobil 1 0W-40 is not sold in 5 quart jugs and never has been.

The nonsense about 'true' or 'full' synthetics is wrong. There are 5 types of oil. Groups 3, 4 and 5 are considered full synthetics. All of the oils on this list are either Group 3 or 4 or a mixture. Group 4 are PAO based. Group 3 are derived from petroleum feedstocks. Both have essentially the same performance characteristics. The BMW oil is Group 3. Mobil 1 0W-40 is a mix of 3 and 4. When Group 3 oils where first developed, there was some negative marketing done by a couple of Group 4 sellers. This persists until even today with some confused souls still complaining about 'true' or 'full' synthetics.

Any of these oils will work fine in your car.

You don't have to buy OEM or 'German' filters either. Many of the 'German' filters are made in Mexico and almost every aftermarket filter is a repackaged 'German' filter. That being said the cheapest filters I could find were a 4 pack of Mann filters on Amazon for $21 including shipping.
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Typical oil thread. Only 17 posts and a lot of misinformation and gibberish already. To the OP, asking this question on a car forum is poor form, it gets asked repeatedly, gets answered with the same nonsense every time. Do yourself a favor and SEARCH.

There is no 'best' oil.

You car needs BMW LL-01 approved oil.

You can find the LL-01 approved oils that are readily available in the US on BMWUSA website, here: http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...ngineOils.aspx

Most owners use either the BMW Synthetic or Mobil 1 0W-40, although some seem to be attached to the Castrol 0W-30. I have never seen the Valvoline/Pennzoil product for sale. There are other boutique oils that meet the LL-01 approval that can be found, like Total/Elf, Motul or Lubro-Moly and many others, but not readily.

Mobil 1 0W-40 is the only one that can be found in Wal-Mart.

Mobil 1 0W-40 is not sold in 5 quart jugs and never has been.

The nonsense about 'true' or 'full' synthetics is wrong. There are 5 types of oil. Groups 3, 4 and 5 are considered full synthetics. All of the oils on this list are either Group 3 or 4 or a mixture. Group 4 are PAO based. Group 3 are derived from petroleum feedstocks. Both have essentially the same performance characteristics. The BMW oil is Group 3. Mobil 1 0W-40 is a mix of 3 and 4. When Group 3 oils where first developed, there was some negative marketing done by a couple of Group 4 sellers. This persists until even today with some confused souls still complaining about 'true' or 'full' synthetics.

Any of these oils will work fine in your car.

You don't have to buy OEM or 'German' filters either. Many of the 'German' filters are made in Mexico and almost every aftermarket filter is a repackaged 'German' filter. That being said the cheapest filters I could find were a 4 pack of Mann filters on Amazon for $21 including shipping.
Walmart had/has an exclusive deal on 5 qt 0w-40. I never seen it in my local store but there has been people that has purchased it all around the net. But it seems they may have stopped making it now as some people are saying there Walmart no longer carries it. Someone not to long ago on one of the BMW forums even posted a picture of it. I wish I could find it, oh well in the end it was only like a couple dollar savings anyways.
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Typical oil thread. Only 17 posts and a lot of misinformation and gibberish already. To the OP, asking this question on a car forum is poor form, it gets asked repeatedly, gets answered with the same nonsense every time. Do yourself a favor and SEARCH.

There is no 'best' oil.

You car needs BMW LL-01 approved oil.

You can find the LL-01 approved oils that are readily available in the US on BMWUSA website, here: http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...ngineOils.aspx

Most owners use either the BMW Synthetic or Mobil 1 0W-40, although some seem to be attached to the Castrol 0W-30. I have never seen the Valvoline/Pennzoil product for sale. There are other boutique oils that meet the LL-01 approval that can be found, like Total/Elf, Motul or Lubro-Moly and many others, but not readily.

Mobil 1 0W-40 is the only one that can be found in Wal-Mart.

Mobil 1 0W-40 is not sold in 5 quart jugs and never has been.

The nonsense about 'true' or 'full' synthetics is wrong. There are 5 types of oil. Groups 3, 4 and 5 are considered full synthetics. All of the oils on this list are either Group 3 or 4 or a mixture. Group 4 are PAO based. Group 3 are derived from petroleum feedstocks. Both have essentially the same performance characteristics. The BMW oil is Group 3. Mobil 1 0W-40 is a mix of 3 and 4. When Group 3 oils where first developed, there was some negative marketing done by a couple of Group 4 sellers. This persists until even today with some confused souls still complaining about 'true' or 'full' synthetics.

Any of these oils will work fine in your car.

You don't have to buy OEM or 'German' filters either. Many of the 'German' filters are made in Mexico and almost every aftermarket filter is a repackaged 'German' filter. That being said the cheapest filters I could find were a 4 pack of Mann filters on Amazon for $21 including shipping.
See post #2.
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Typical oil thread. Only 17 posts and a lot of misinformation and gibberish already. To the OP, asking this question on a car forum is poor form, it gets asked repeatedly, gets answered with the same nonsense every time. Do yourself a favor and SEARCH.

There is no 'best' oil.

You car needs BMW LL-01 approved oil.

You can find the LL-01 approved oils that are readily available in the US on BMWUSA website, here: http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...ngineOils.aspx

Most owners use either the BMW Synthetic or Mobil 1 0W-40, although some seem to be attached to the Castrol 0W-30. I have never seen the Valvoline/Pennzoil product for sale. There are other boutique oils that meet the LL-01 approval that can be found, like Total/Elf, Motul or Lubro-Moly and many others, but not readily.

Mobil 1 0W-40 is the only one that can be found in Wal-Mart.

Mobil 1 0W-40 is not sold in 5 quart jugs and never has been.

The nonsense about 'true' or 'full' synthetics is wrong. There are 5 types of oil. Groups 3, 4 and 5 are considered full synthetics. All of the oils on this list are either Group 3 or 4 or a mixture. Group 4 are PAO based. Group 3 are derived from petroleum feedstocks. Both have essentially the same performance characteristics. The BMW oil is Group 3. Mobil 1 0W-40 is a mix of 3 and 4. When Group 3 oils where first developed, there was some negative marketing done by a couple of Group 4 sellers. This persists until even today with some confused souls still complaining about 'true' or 'full' synthetics.

Any of these oils will work fine in your car.

You don't have to buy OEM or 'German' filters either. Many of the 'German' filters are made in Mexico and almost every aftermarket filter is a repackaged 'German' filter. That being said the cheapest filters I could find were a 4 pack of Mann filters on Amazon for $21 including shipping.
I agree with the first couple of paragraphs but then you loose me!

Mobil One 0-40W is a mixture of group III & IV???? Not according to Mobil Corporation so where are you getting this information?

BMW oil is group III? Castrol made in Germany is a group IV oil.....in Europe oil can't be called synthetic unless it's group IV or above.....and since Castrol makes BMW's oil why would it be group III?

Which Lubromoly oil is LL-01?

You guys want some mind-boggling information go to BITOG.com
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http://www.liqui-moly.de/liquimoly/p...id/e_3706.html

Let's just say there are very few pure Group 4 oils out there anymore. The mixtures actually perform the best, although at what ratio is still under study.

BITOG has some useful information, but way too much 'look at my oil analysis, I have no idea what I'm talking about" content.

FWIW, it just doesn't matter much.

LL-01

It's that simple. Why try to make it complicated?
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"LL-01, It's that simple. Why try to make it complicated"

I agree! You should have just said that in the first place
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I was looking to purchase a case of motor oil for my '04 530i and went to Mobil 1's website. They reccommend Mobil 1's 0W-40 oil. I'm pretty sure the dealer told me they use a fully synthetic 5W-30. Does anyone have any reccommendation on the best motor oil?

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In my opinion, you have three very good choices in maryland....the 5w-30 BMW synthetic, Castrol Euro formula 0W-30 [aka German Castrol] and the Mobil 1 0w-40 you mentioned.

All are BMW LL-01 and all are great oils for virtually any climate...there has been lots of discussion about the merits of each of these three oils, but i believe all three are great choices.

Personally, I use the castrol 0W-30 in 2004 530i.
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