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F10 / F11 (2011 - Current)
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Old 08-25-2010, 05:39 PM
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I wish the new F10 has the same shape as the 2012 6-series Gran Coupe

Every time I look at the 6-series 2012 Gran Coupe I drool at the sporty appearance and wish that the current F-10 550i would have that shape.

Doesn't the 2012 Gran Coupe contain the same engine as the F-10 550i ?
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Old 08-25-2010, 05:52 PM
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Then it would cost an extra $20,000.
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Old 08-25-2010, 06:38 PM
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Old 08-26-2010, 06:56 AM
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Then it would cost an extra $20,000.
ONLY $20K? I'm guessing closer to $40K than $20K.
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Old 08-26-2010, 08:32 AM
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that pisses me off to no end, its the same damn car as a 550 with a diffrent roof line, same engine, same suspension, same trasmision, same options, same damn car.

the 5 should of been brought to market as a grand coupe. '

it looks better, but if i am going to drop an extra 20-40k on a car, its either going to be a fully tuned 550i or m5, im not paying that premium for looks and no preformance over its 100 percent same internally sister car

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Old 08-26-2010, 09:05 AM
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It is the same concept as the E and CLS class at MB. They have the same drivetrain/chassis, but different bodies and interiors.

If they made the 5 series a grand coupe they would have enjoyed the much lower sales that come with such a niche vehicle. Considering the 5 series represents over 50% of BMW sales, I doubt they would make such a costly mistake...
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Old 08-26-2010, 09:22 AM
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I understand the concept. But it wouldn't be a nich market if it was priced as its a 5 series.

That's just me. Then again i think that buying a escaland over a suburban is just as dumb. I don't mind spending the money.but i want somthing more then looks

I don't subscribe to the whole let's change the lights throw some diffrent trim on it and charge an extra 20 grand

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Old 08-26-2010, 09:29 AM
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It's all about market segmentation. You can't build 1 car that fulfils the desires of all buyers.

Thus BMW is getting the same platform, and spawning different variations at different price points. Indeed the 7er F01 shares a lot of basic architecture with the 5er F10. So in the US you have cars from $45K - $130K that share commonality. Even the Porsche Boxster and 911 share the same platform.

If you want a unique platformed car, you're likely going to need to buy something over $200K, and even then it could be a platform sharer.
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Old 08-26-2010, 10:10 AM
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Considering the 5 series represents over 50% of BMW sales
No. 20% of sales.
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Old 08-26-2010, 10:14 AM
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ONLY $20K? I'm guessing closer to $40K than $20K.
I'm talking about with the same equipment. My 550i xDrive lists for $85,000. A similarly equipped Gran Coupe should go for around $105,000. Maybe it will be $125,000 but I doubt it. We'll just have to wait and see.

My 650i went for around $80,000 while an almost identical E60 550i was around 15-20k less.
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Old 08-26-2010, 10:21 AM
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I understand the concept. But it wouldn't be a nich market if it was priced as its a 5 series.

That's just me. Then again i think that buying a escaland over a suburban is just as dumb. I don't mind spending the money.but i want somthing more then looks

I don't subscribe to the whole let's change the lights throw some diffrent trim on it and charge an extra 20 grand
If you change the body from a sedan to a 4 door coupe you have to use completely new tooling. Then you have to amortorize the cost of the tooling over the total production run of that vehicle. So, for a lower volume car the price per vehicle is going to be much greater. The Gran Coupe is not as practical as the F10 and so likely would not appeal to a large segment of buyers who want more interior volume.

That's why the 650i is so much more expensive to produce and sell than a 550i even though it is essentially the same car.
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Old 08-26-2010, 10:37 AM
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That's just me. Then again i think that buying a escaland over a suburban is just as dumb. I don't mind spending the money.but i want somthing more then looks

I don't subscribe to the whole let's change the lights throw some diffrent trim on it and charge an extra 20 grand
There are very few things similar about an Escalade and a Suburban. Aside from frame rails and some undercarriage parts everything about the vehicles are different. From engine to tranny to suspension to interior to exterior. People often compare them, but when you break it down there is a world of difference.

A closer example would be a 5 series and an M5. The bodies and interiors are largely the same with a few tweaks. The drivetrains are where they really differ...
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Old 08-26-2010, 11:06 AM
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No. 20% of sales.
My bad, I quoted a site that obviously did not know the true specs. Maybe they were talking of a particular region...
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Old 08-26-2010, 11:11 AM
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My bad, I quoted a site that obviously did not know the true specs. Maybe they were talking of a particular region...
20% as a number of cars, 40% when you're talking about money.
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Old 08-26-2010, 12:04 PM
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I just wish they used some of the same bold styling cues in the F10, which errs on the side of conservatism a bit too much. The taillights in particular.
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Old 08-26-2010, 04:26 PM
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The 5 series is 50% of BMW's profits, not sales.
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Old 08-26-2010, 05:00 PM
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The 5 series is 50% of BMW's profits, not sales.
Very well could be 50% by now, sales are continuing to grow.

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For BMW it represents 20 percent of the sales and 40 percent of the profit. Clearly, this is an important car for BMW to get right.
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Ouch, even Consumer Reports isn't thrilled about the driving experience. When CR and C/D come to similar conclusions, it might be worthwhile looking into it.
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Old 08-28-2010, 09:22 AM
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Ouch, even Consumer Reports isn't thrilled about the driving experience. When CR and C/D come to similar conclusions, it might be worthwhile looking into it.
Do you have any reference or quote? I'm curious since the more exposure this gets the bigger chance that bmw will address it.
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