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Old 04-09-2014, 05:57 AM
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Now here's some really smart outstanding citizens standing up for their constitutional rights against the facist Oklahoma Highway Patrol.

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Old 04-09-2014, 06:28 AM
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these fellas got pepper-sprayed + arrested - I'm not sure what's smart here.
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The video is 16+ mins. Cliff notes for those of us who have jobs to do?
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Old 04-09-2014, 07:24 AM
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Just some yahoos that wanted to make a viral video. Just give the officer your license and proof of insurance. If you fail to do that things will not end well.

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Why would I waste 16 minutes of my life on this BS? 30 seconds is all I need...

If the police stops you and ask for your insurance and license (after they apparently have properly identified themselves as law enforcement via their "papers") and you reply with "I don't consent to a search." you clearly are a douche...
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Old 04-09-2014, 08:18 AM
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they were trying to argue that there were not 'driving', but 'travelling'... doesn't sound like it will end well - operating a motor vehicle is driving according to the dictionary...
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they were trying to argue that there were not 'driving', but 'travelling'... doesn't sound like it will end well - operating a motor vehicle is driving according to the dictionary...
The constitution provides citizens the inherent right to travel the freeways. Lawmakers have shirked the constitution in the name of safety, since times and methods of travel have changed. You could probably make the argument for it somehow, but common sense prevails. Nobody wants unlicensed operators on the road. It's a parallel argument with the right to bear arms.
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The constitution provides citizens the inherent right to travel the freeways. Lawmakers have shirked the constitution in the name of safety, since times and methods of travel have changed. You could probably make the argument for it somehow, but common sense prevails. Nobody wants unlicensed operators on the road. It's a parallel argument with the right to bear arms.
traveling is a protected right - driving is not.
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Driving is a method of traveling, no?
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Old 04-09-2014, 08:51 AM
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Driving is a method of traveling, no?
sure it is - do you believe that arguing with a law enforcement officer on the side of the road is the place to effectively get this hashed out? Hint - it did not end well for these two so far, I guess we'll have to wait and see if they take this all the way to the supreme court... I have a feeling we won't hear any more.
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sure it is - do you believe that arguing with a law enforcement officer on the side of the road is the place to effectively get this hashed out? Hint - it did not end well for these two so far, I guess we'll have to wait and see if they take this all the way to the supreme court... I have a feeling we won't hear any more.
Did you read my initial post? I agree with you, common sense prevails even if they are technically right somehow. I give officers my license when they pull me over
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Driving is a method of traveling, no?
I don't see mention of the right to drive a car or flying in an airplane in the bill of rights or the constitution. IF you want to travel, walk or take a horse, and you might have a slightly better chance at winning a constitutional argument in court.
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Did you read my initial post? I agree with you, common sense prevails even if they are technically right somehow. I give officers my license when they pull me over
I saw your post, I guess I'm curious as point - these fellas didn't get very far with their unconstitutional argument on the side of the road... my point was it wasn't "smart" - as the OP suggested.
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Now here's some really smart outstanding citizens standing up for their constitutional rights against the facist Oklahoma Highway Patrol.

the driver and the passenger are morons.
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I don't see mention of the right to drive a car or flying in an airplane in the bill of rights or the constitution. IF you want to travel, walk or take a horse, and you might have a slightly better chance at winning a constitutional argument in court.
All it says is you have the right to travel, doesn't restrict which methods one can use. Good luck riding a horse down the highway!
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I saw your post, I guess I'm curious as point - these fellas didn't get very far with their unconstitutional argument on the side of the road... my point was it wasn't "smart" - as the OP suggested.
And I fully agree. The police are supposed to enforce the laws which are currently in place, regardless of their validity in reference to the constitution.
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So really, it sounds like the main purpose of the constitution is to ensure lawyers stay in practice by constantly arguing up to the highest court whether travelling and driving are the same and what rights protect it? Lord help us...

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I love when uneducated hayseeds think that they're lawyers. The cops did absolutely nothing wrong. If I were the cop, I'd be tranferred to a month of desk duty that's required whenever a LEO discharges his sidearm.
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I love when uneducated hayseeds think that they're lawyers. The cops did absolutely nothing wrong. If I were the cop, I'd be tranferred to a month of desk duty that's required whenever a LEO discharges his sidearm.
I think the going rate is a stern talking to when LEO discharges his sidearm. One month desk duty is when they kill someone unjustifiably.
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I think the going rate is a stern talking to when LEO discharges his sidearm. One month desk duty is when they kill someone unjustifiably.
Are you inferring that shooting the suspects was justifiable?
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What's a "facist"?
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I don't see mention of the right to drive a car or flying in an airplane in the bill of rights or the constitution. IF you want to travel, walk or take a horse, and you might have a slightly better chance at winning a constitutional argument in court.
Better stick with walking, because when your horse takes a shart on someone else's property, you break the law.
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Nobody wants unlicensed operators on the road. It's a parallel argument with the right to bear arms.




As for the idiots in the video (didn't watch): They need to more closely study 'police power' with ties to the 10th amendment. Key on words like "health, safety, morals, and general welfare of the public." Also note who has won favor when the states and the federal gov't are at odds. (hint: it's not the Fed Govt. Last time that happened, it started a pretty big war.)
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The constitution provides citizens the inherent right to travel the freeways. Lawmakers have shirked the constitution in the name of safety, since times and methods of travel have changed. You could probably make the argument for it somehow, but common sense prevails. Nobody wants unlicensed operators on the road. It's a parallel argument with the right to bear arms.
Hence my reason for posting, because in the proper context it is a right. But I wanted to point out the absudity of using phrases such as "I wasn't driving I was traveling", "I don't consent to a search", as a reason for not providing a valid drivers license.

These cops were a helluva lot more patient than I would have been. If I were the cop they would have been sprayed, tased and in the back of the cruiser after about 3 min.

And, yes, this is how low we have sunk that's too what law schools have been producing the last 30+ years.
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