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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 09-10-2010, 03:19 PM
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Is Valvoline SynPower @ Walmrt the same oil that is approved by BMWUSA as being LL-01

Or is there another version of it, like a European Formula, that is harder to find as is the case with Castrol Syntec?
If the V. SynPwr SAE 5W-30 at Walmart is the LL-01 oil, then it seems like a very good bargain at $21.99 for a 5qt jug.
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Old 09-10-2010, 03:24 PM
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Interesting but I'll stick with Mobile 1 0W40
Lots a oil threads you can read.
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Old 09-10-2010, 03:36 PM
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As far as I can tell there is only one SynPower oil.

http://www.valvoline.com/products/co...ic-motor-oil/5

SAE 5W-30 MST: Exceeds European ACEA A3/B3/B4/C3 and meets or exceeds the engine performance requirements for BMW, Jaguar, Lexus, Mercedes-Benz, Rolls Royce, Volkswagen, Volvo and other high performance vehicles.
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Old 09-10-2010, 05:44 PM
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There are (2) grades of SynPower oil, ILSAC and non-ILSAC. The non-ILSAC grade SAE 5W-30 MST meets BMW requirements. My Walmart only sells the ILSAC grade, not the SAE 5W-30 MST.

But this is all academic. Change it every 7500 miles and any synthetic is OK. You don't need LL01/LL04 unless you plan on using 15000 drain intervals.

http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/SynPower.pdf

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As far as I can tell there is only one SynPower oil.

http://www.valvoline.com/products/co...ic-motor-oil/5

SAE 5W-30 MST: Exceeds European ACEA A3/B3/B4/C3 and meets or exceeds the engine performance requirements for BMW, Jaguar, Lexus, Mercedes-Benz, Rolls Royce, Volkswagen, Volvo and other high performance vehicles.
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Old 09-10-2010, 07:11 PM
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I normally use Castrol Syntec 5W-30 for my E39, but I was looking for possible alternatives to the dealer's BMW HP 5W-30 for my brother's E60, an '06 525, whose manual recommends using an LL-01 approved synthetic oil.

Those being:

Castrol Syntec European Formula SAE 0W-30
Mobil 1 SAE 0W-40
Pennzoil Platinum European Formula Ultra SAE 5W-30
Valvoline SynPower SAE 5W-30
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Old 09-10-2010, 07:42 PM
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My local dealer sells Bmw 5w-30 Oil for $5.25/qt, I just stick with that.
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Old 09-10-2010, 07:45 PM
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My local dealer sells Bmw 5w-30 Oil for $5.25/qt, I just stick with that.
wow which dealer?
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Patrick Bmw in Schaumburg, ask the parts guy for a discount and you will either get 5.25qt or 5.55qt, depends who is behind the counter. Love my dealer for great prices they have. $5.50 for both from wiper refills.
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Any oil that is BMW LL-01 rated will have it printed on the label. I have never found any BMW LL-01 oil at Walmart. Oil is not a very good place to try to save a dollar or two.
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Old 09-10-2010, 10:31 PM
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Or is there another version of it, like a European Formula, that is harder to find as is the case with Castrol Syntec?
If the V. SynPwr SAE 5W-30 at Walmart is the LL-01 oil, then it seems like a very good bargain at $21.99 for a 5qt jug.
Owning a 98 model year...you could also choose to go with BMW LL-98 recommendations or the BMW "special oil" recommendations since those oils were "valid" during the time of your car's production (before the LL-01 list came out).

The oils highlighted below...were oils that I could find on the shelf a few years ago. Some are still available, some may have changed over the years. But as someone stated above, any synthetic oil that is changed at half the BMW SI interval will still provided good protection.

And the Valvoline 5w30 in 5qt jugs sold @ Walmart for $20-$25...is a good bargain if you are a short interval oil changer. If you cost average by purchasing German brand filters online or can get the BMW oil filters at a good price...you can more than cut the cost of an oil change at the dealer or Indy in half.
$66 - 3 5quart jugs of oil from Walmart
$ 6 - 1 qt of oil
$20 - 2 oil filters
$92 - total cost for enough oil & filters for TWO oil changes (on a V8) vs approx $90-$100 for ONE oil change at the dealer or an Indy



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The LL-01 rating has now made the LL-98 obsolete. The current recommendation for all North American E39's (except the M5's) is BMW LL-01 oil.
Note: The LL-04 oil is NOT to be used in any gasoline engine cars that are operated in North America (per BMW).
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My local dealer sells Bmw 5w-30 Oil for $5.25/qt, I just stick with that.
Mine is "expensive". So he sales it for $6.25. Still cheaper than anything you could find in PepBoys/AutoZone type shops.

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Any oil that is BMW LL-01 rated will have it printed on the label. I have never found any BMW LL-01 oil at Walmart. Oil is not a very good place to try to save a dollar or two.
So much effort, just to save $10 over one year driving.

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Or is there another version of it, like a European Formula, that is harder to find as is the case with Castrol Syntec?
If the V. SynPwr SAE 5W-30 at Walmart is the LL-01 oil, then it seems like a very good bargain at $21.99 for a 5qt jug.
We need 7 qt in there. So what are you going to do for the other 2 qt? How much are they?
If I buy 5 qt at my dealer (the expensive dealer), it comes out $31.25.
If s140s buys at his dealer (the normal priced dealer), it comes out $26.25.
Your Walmart 5 qt bottle is $21.99. You still need to get 2 qt more.

What are you saving and wasting your time on? $4.25 cents over 5 qt. You can't even buy a sandwich with that. If you have to count that money every 6 to 12 months, maybe you should have ask the dealer who sold you the car for a $20 discount, so that you could afford the oil changes over the lifetime of the car.

Seriously?

Skip a sandwich one day. Make one at home and take it to work for lunch. And get the oil you want.

That's what I do. Every time I buy oil (once a year), I go on a 48 hours water only starvation diet.

That's how I can afford a BMW.

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Old 09-11-2010, 06:36 AM
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Any oil that is BMW LL-01 rated will have it printed on the label. I have never found any BMW LL-01 oil at Walmart. Oil is not a very good place to try to save a dollar or two.
They carry Mobil 1 0w-40 at my local Wally World and it specifically says BMW LL-01 on the bottle. However, they want $6.99 a quart for it. Not a very good deal.
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Old 09-11-2010, 11:49 AM
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Who doesn't love a good oil thread?

Delo 15-40 Dino, $3.50 at Autozone, cheaper at Costco.
Best stuff you can put in your car, $ for $.

Providing you're changing your oil regularly, you could put most anything in there.

BTW, how many threads are there about engine failure due to using the "wrong " oil?

MatWiz, thanks for the laugh this morning.
You never disapoint.

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Old 09-11-2010, 12:52 PM
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...Providing you're changing your oil regularly, you could put most anything in there...
Oil threads in this forum is like a religious issues ha!
Anyway, we have at least one oil thread per week.

1+ on haolibird. This is what I do:
- summer: standard oil 10W30 from local autoparts store.
- winter: synthetic 5W30 for easier start

I change oil every 5-6K miles.

Car runs like a charm, dead quiet and smooth.
Save your money for other repairs in the car.
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Old 09-11-2010, 01:41 PM
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Thanks for the props, Cam.
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or is there another version of it, like a european formula, that is harder to find as is the case with castrol syntec?
If the v. Synpwr sae 5w-30 at walmart is the ll-01 oil, then it seems like a very good bargain at $21.99 for a 5qt jug.
SYNPOWER is a deal at Wallymart.I used it ....
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I as well as Bluebee, we use EVOO and we are very happy with it.

Car runs smooth, quite, and the car she purrs in an Italian accent. Purrr-o, purrr-o. Mama mia the car she run so smooth-a.

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Mine is "expensive". So he sales it for $6.25. Still cheaper than anything you could find in PepBoys/AutoZone type shops.


So much effort, just to save $10 over one year driving.


We need 7 qt in there. So what are you going to do for the other 2 qt? How much are they?
If I buy 5 qt at my dealer (the expensive dealer), it comes out $31.25.
If s140s buys at his dealer (the normal priced dealer), it comes out $26.25.
Your Walmart 5 qt bottle is $21.99. You still need to get 2 qt more.

What are you saving and wasting your time on? $4.25 cents over 5 qt. You can't even buy a sandwich with that. If you have to count that money every 6 to 12 months, maybe you should have ask the dealer who sold you the car for a $20 discount, so that you could afford the oil changes over the lifetime of the car.

Seriously?

Skip a sandwich one day. Make one at home and take it to work for lunch. And get the oil you want.

That's what I do. Every time I buy oil (once a year), I go on a 48 hours water only starvation diet.

That's how I can afford a BMW.

mw

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