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Old 09-25-2010, 02:08 PM
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20" Winter Tires Recommended? Any Experience??

With Winter quickly approaching and a need to do something by early November where I live (Aspen, Colorado), does anyone have any further thoughts on using winter times on their X5? I have a 2011 35d with 20" OEM 214 rims. I leased the car in June and love it so far, especially the mileage and performance. Idealy I would have an LR4 for winter, but this is my daily driver anywhere from 30-50 miles a day 4-5 days a week, somtimes more, sometimes less.

I would love to keep just one set of rims - I really like the look, pot holes aren't really a problem (the few there are can be avoided at slow speeds). Am I insane to keep the 20" and buy the RFT Pirelli's? I use the cargo space and don't currently have the spare (missed ordering that option somehow). The obvious choice is 18's or 19's with Blizzaks or Hancooks (had the latter on a MDX last year, fantastic snow tire), but the 20's with the Pirelli's are a good option too? The Canyon from Aspen to Basalt can be sketchy with ice and sometimes a few inches of snow. Being a tourist area, the roads get plowed really quickly. I won't get out of my garage after a snowstorm unless at least one part of the driveway is plowed regardless of tire (where an LR4 with air suspension would come in very nice...if only they had a diesel in the US....).

Thanks for any input on your experiences with the X5 and 20's....I'm used to storing my summer tires in winter, so tires/wheels is not a big difference, I just really like how my car stands out with the 214's - I just don't want them standing out somewhere stuck on the side of the road when I should be skiing or at the office.

(sorry for the duplication - I realized I responded to a thread started in the 2006 and earlier model section - likely best read on the E70 thread here)
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Old 09-25-2010, 02:57 PM
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I have the 214's on my new X5D and am going with dedicated 18's, using the Blizzaks from my 2007. I may wind up doing spacers since, like you, I have the flared fenders, but I have always believed that a narrower tire (for better "bite") and a higher sidewall (for pothole protection) are keys to winter driving.

BTW are you in an area where chains are ever required to go over the passes? I have ZERO experience with chains, but can't imagine they would do your 214's any good.
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Old 09-25-2010, 04:36 PM
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With Winter quickly approaching and a need to do something by early November where I live (Aspen, Colorado), does anyone have any further thoughts on using winter times on their X5? I have a 2011 35d with 20" OEM 214 rims. I leased the car in June and love it so far, especially the mileage and performance. Idealy I would have an LR4 for winter, but this is my daily driver anywhere from 30-50 miles a day 4-5 days a week, somtimes more, sometimes less.

I would love to keep just one set of rims - I really like the look, pot holes aren't really a problem (the few there are can be avoided at slow speeds). Am I insane to keep the 20" and buy the RFT Pirelli's? I use the cargo space and don't currently have the spare (missed ordering that option somehow). The obvious choice is 18's or 19's with Blizzaks or Hancooks (had the latter on a MDX last year, fantastic snow tire), but the 20's with the Pirelli's are a good option too? The Canyon from Aspen to Basalt can be sketchy with ice and sometimes a few inches of snow. Being a tourist area, the roads get plowed really quickly. I won't get out of my garage after a snowstorm unless at least one part of the driveway is plowed regardless of tire (where an LR4 with air suspension would come in very nice...if only they had a diesel in the US....).

Thanks for any input on your experiences with the X5 and 20's....I'm used to storing my summer tires in winter, so tires/wheels is not a big difference, I just really like how my car stands out with the 214's - I just don't want them standing out somewhere stuck on the side of the road when I should be skiing or at the office.

(sorry for the duplication - I realized I responded to a thread started in the 2006 and earlier model section - likely best read on the E70 thread here)
I can't speak from experience - but I live in New England and have an appt in 4 weeks to swap out my OEM summer tires on my 11' x5 35i with 214s to Pirelli Scorpion RFTs. The tire center I'm using says they've been putting Pirelli Scorpion RFTs on x5s with 20s as well as 5 and 7 series for the past few years and all of their customers have been happy. Obviously 18s or 19s would be better but I think the 20s with dedicated snow tires should be just fine for almost any situation.
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Old 09-25-2010, 05:25 PM
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i have read good things about Pirelli scorpion ice and snow's and i think if you buy them from a place (town fair tire) or whatever is in your area will place them and swap them out for free if you buy from them, which is what I am planning on doing when I get mine (early Oct)
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Old 09-26-2010, 11:06 AM
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Thanks for the input, guys. I hope to run into a few folks locally who have run the Pirelli's on their Range Rover or Porsche SUV's. The one I talked used them or a similar tire on a AWD Targa with 20's (6 or 7 years ago) and did NOT have good results. He garaged the vehicle for the winter and put 18's on a Cayenne. If I could find a nice set of 19's for under $2k (like the standard OEM sport 19's) I'd just do that, but I'm guessing going to the dealer would be twice that cost.

Hopefully someone from the CO Rockies will response about their experience using winter 20's in the mountains - Driving in Denver or other mostly flat cities really can't compare. Also, if anyone has recommendations for a place to buy BMW (or similar quality) wheels on-line, that would be great.

Oh, and lastly, no, the only ones using chains are the semi-trucks heading over the passes on I-70. And fortunately, there's usually no reason for me to head to I-70 in the Winter - the ski traffic and accidents are not for me.
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Old 09-27-2010, 01:05 AM
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My local tyre shop advises me to replace my 20s with 18s. he gave me a good price, half of the BMW price, but then they would not have TMPS sensors, so that means I would be constantly getting flat tyre warnings.

I thnik that would drive me nuts, so now I've asked for a quote on BMW wheels with the TMPS sensors, but will likely be 3 grand (Ouch)

does anyone know if you deactivate the TMPS system via I-drive ???
I tried this morning but couldn't seem to do it .
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Old 09-27-2010, 03:59 AM
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There should be no problem whatsoever fitting TPMS to non-BMW wheels. Here in the Colonies, the tire shops (like Tire Rack) do it all the time.

AFAIK there is no way to deactivate the low tire warning. But unlike the RFT's themselves, I do think it's a rather useful feature.
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Old 09-27-2010, 06:01 AM
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You can buy extra tpms sensors for around 200 from tirerack

I bought used 18" rims off a 2008 x5 including the sensors for 750 shipped on eBay, you might check there or Craigslist.
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Old 09-27-2010, 06:11 AM
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I'm getting a quote from my dealer for just the 18inch wheels - waiting an answer

BMW complete winter tyre (RFTs) 1900 inc tax

local tyre shop 1500 (nicer looking wheel) non RFT but i think without TMPS - need to ask

Figure buy the BMW wheels and get local Joe to fit non RFTs to them.

The spare wheel kit is cheap I think 279 + tax (all prices Euros)
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Old 09-27-2010, 08:14 PM
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I ran a set of 275/40 20 inch Pirelli Scorpion Zeros on my 2006 X5 4.8Is thru 4-6 inches of snow in the hills of western PA for 3 years and had no problems. I liked them so much that I just bought a set of 20" wheels, with TPMS transmitters from Tirerack for my new 2011 X5 50, and had the Pirellis mounted on them. I know that 18 inchers with a narrower tread supposedly get around a little better, but I had no problems with the 20s and the 18s, in my opinion, would make the wheel wells look too empty when you are used to the 20s.
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Old 09-28-2010, 07:03 AM
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I ran a set of 275/40 20 inch Pirelli Scorpion Zeros on my 2006 X5 4.8Is thru 4-6 inches of snow in the hills of western PA for 3 years and had no problems. I liked them so much that I just bought a set of 20" wheels, with TPMS transmitters from Tirerack for my new 2011 X5 50, and had the Pirellis mounted on them. I know that 18 inchers with a narrower tread supposedly get around a little better, but I had no problems with the 20s and the 18s, in my opinion, would make the wheel wells look too empty when you are used to the 20s.
Good to hear. I bit the bullet and just ordered a set for this winter.
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I have the X6, not the X5, but I'm in a similar situation. I was contemplating a set of the 20" Pirelli Snows for the winter, so I am encouraged to see some good reviews. I hate to spend the money, then not get the performance needed. Question for those of you who have the 20s: Did you get four "narrow" width tires instead of the normal staggered set-up? I think the width of the OEM rear tire would be problematic.
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I ran the 275/40s on all 4 wheels. An additional benefit is that you can now rotate them unlike my staggered summers.
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My local tyre shop advises me to replace my 20s with 18s. he gave me a good price, half of the BMW price, but then they would not have TMPS sensors, so that means I would be constantly getting flat tyre warnings.

I thnik that would drive me nuts, so now I've asked for a quote on BMW wheels with the TMPS sensors, but will likely be 3 grand (Ouch)

does anyone know if you deactivate the TMPS system via I-drive ???
I tried this morning but couldn't seem to do it .
You can get the tire sensors reasonably cheap over here from tire rack (they are about 40% less than BMW and they are made by the same vendor) shipping to europe via insured post would be less than $35-

http://blog.tirerack.com/blog/tire-r...t-great-prices
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I ran the 275/40s on all 4 wheels. An additional benefit is that you can now rotate them unlike my staggered summers.
That's what I was contemplating, too. Did you use spacers with the rear tires or did they look okay without?
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[QUOTE=Newmanium;5500193]You can buy extra tpms sensors for around 200 from tirerack

yep- I paid $41ea for the 433mhz tpms from tirerack
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I have 20" 214s, and a winter set - 18" (BMW style 212 I believe, default wheels on 2010 X5 4.8) with Bridgestone All-Season RFTs 255/55/18 and TPMS sensors. I got the set from ebay (take offs) - they were brand-new with 50 miles on the tires. There are deals, just look. I used to have the same Bridgestones all-seasons on my 2008 X5 (except they were in 19" size, but that does not matter much), and was quite happy with the thread/traction in the winter - went skiing upstate NY and VT multiple times, never a problem - plowed through 6-8" of snow and ice in a breeze with good traction/stability. Learn to use HDC (Hill Descent Control), it does magic!

You should go for 18" wheels, max 19", to avoid snow build up on the rim and causing major disbalance. Also in the winter you might want to have higher sidewall, as roads are more bumpy. Yes, the looks will be gone, but safety first! And with 18" tires, sidewall is high enough to minimize RFT's stiffness (not wanting to create another debate on RFT vs non-RFT, but where I drive daily and on vacation, I dont feel comfortable & SAFE to change tire on the road... you know, kinda bad areas and minimal shoulders )
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I liked them so much that I just bought a set of 20" wheels, with TPMS transmitters from Tirerack for my new 2011 X5 50, and had the Pirellis mounted on them.
I've had great luck with Tire Rack and would like a 20" winter set-up, but they only have 18". What wheels did you go with?
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For my 2011 X5 50i, I ordered the Pirelli Scorpion 20" RFT snow tires in the same staggered size as my summer tires. Currently on backorder until mid-October and Pirelli is the only manufacturer that I can find for the snow tires to fit this vehicle. Order them from Tirerack as well. Could not find 20" wheels from Tirerack. Was looking for something similar to the 20" wheels I have currently that came with the sport activity package. Finally found a nice set of aftermarket wheels made to exactly resemble the BMW OEM style 214 wheels. Bought them new on eBay. I'll likely order the TPMS sensors from Tirerack and them have everything mounted by the dealer in November. After that I can change the tires myself each Spring and Winter without having to pay someone to do it for me. I do the same thing with my 2009 335i. Bought wheels, tires and sensors all from Tirerack and have been very pleased with them.
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For my 2011 X5 50i, I ordered the Pirelli Scorpion 20" RFT snow tires in the same staggered size as my summer tires. Currently on backorder until mid-October and Pirelli is the only manufacturer that I can find for the snow tires to fit this vehicle. Order them from Tirerack as well. Could not find 20" wheels from Tirerack. Was looking for something similar to the 20" wheels I have currently that came with the sport activity package. Finally found a nice set of aftermarket wheels made to exactly resemble the BMW OEM style 214 wheels. Bought them new on eBay. I'll likely order the TPMS sensors from Tirerack and them have everything mounted by the dealer in November. After that I can change the tires myself each Spring and Winter without having to pay someone to do it for me. I do the same thing with my 2009 335i. Bought wheels, tires and sensors all from Tirerack and have been very pleased with them.
Just FYI - many tire shops here in New England will mount/balance your winter and summer tires for free for as long as you own the winter tires if you buy them from them. Pricing here was about $150 more than Tirerack for all 4 tires, but included road hazard insurance and the lifetime mount/dismount for both the winter tires ourchased from them and OEM summer tires.
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Gregory34 where did you get your tires? I think I am going to do the same when mine comes in mid oct.
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No spacers & they looked good...not quite as nice as the 315/35 summers, but quite good.
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Well, I had a good chat with the Techs at my local dealer yesterday when I picked up my space saver spare kit.
I learnt a few things about our X5s, which pleasently surprised me.

the Tyre Presure Monitoring System on the X5 works by the ABS system computer cross checking the revolutions of the wheel.
these sensors are in the Hub, not the wheel, so when you swap out OEM rims to after market wheels, it will not affect the TPMS on the X5 (mine is a 2010)

However, they cautioned me about fitting non BMW wheels to an X5 due to the weight, an the tendancy that after market wheels buckle more easily in Pot holes than BMW wheels would.
He also offered me a set of Winters with 5,000 kms wear on them for a grand.
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That's interesting to hear that the X5 does not have TPMS sensors mounted on the wheels. I talked to my local dealer about mounting my new snow tires on the new wheels and they reminded me that I would need to purchase TPMS sensors for the new wheels. Sometimes I swear that I know more about my 2011 X5 50i than they do which is shocking. Is there any way to verify this? Knowing my dealer, they will sell me the TPMS sensors whether I need them or not.

Regarding the aftermarket style 214 20" staggered wheels, I don't necessarily disagree that they may not be as good as the OEM wheels but I paid $600 for a set of four which was much cheaper than the OEMs so I guess I'll take my chances. They claim to meet all BMW specs and our Federal specs as well. I suppose I'll find out!
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That's interesting to hear that the X5 does not have TPMS sensors mounted on the wheels. I talked to my local dealer about mounting my new snow tires on the new wheels and they reminded me that I would need to purchase TPMS sensors for the new wheels. Sometimes I swear that I know more about my 2011 X5 50i than they do which is shocking. Is there any way to verify this? Knowing my dealer, they will sell me the TPMS sensors whether I need them or not.

Regarding the aftermarket style 214 20" staggered wheels, I don't necessarily disagree that they may not be as good as the OEM wheels but I paid $600 for a set of four which was much cheaper than the OEMs so I guess I'll take my chances. They claim to meet all BMW specs and our Federal specs as well. I suppose I'll find out!
Well, I wondered, I must say ! so to satisfy my curiousity, I'm going to stand right there when the Tyre shop pulls my old tyres and valves, in fact, I wonder if they can change a tyre without ripping out the valves, but anyway, I'm going to be watching, and looking for the sensor on the back of the valve to see if the Tech was right !!!!!

On teh cost of wheels, Yes, I agree with you, if you can save a grand or more, i would do it too !!
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