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E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 10-01-2010, 06:05 AM
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Let us know the outcome. I think we are all curious about the TPMS sensors.

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Old 10-02-2010, 07:59 PM
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We run 19" non-rft Scorpions as our winters. Great tire with zero issues.

If I recall correctly, you don't need new tpms sensors as they are hub mounted on the new BMW's.
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Old 10-02-2010, 10:47 PM
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So this means i do not need a TPMS and no RFT for my winter set and go with a cheaper after maket solution???
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Old 10-03-2010, 12:01 PM
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Well, I had a good chat with the Techs at my local dealer yesterday when I picked up my space saver spare kit.
I learnt a few things about our X5s, which pleasently surprised me.

the Tyre Presure Monitoring System on the X5 works by the ABS system computer cross checking the revolutions of the wheel.
these sensors are in the Hub, not the wheel, so when you swap out OEM rims to after market wheels, it will not affect the TPMS on the X5 (mine is a 2010)
That may be true for the UK models, but some of the US versions have RDC controller and sensors:
http://bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/E7...c_ctrl_unit-2/

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...27&hg=36&fg=15

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Old 10-03-2010, 12:16 PM
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Old 10-04-2010, 03:58 AM
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That may be true for the UK models, but some of the US versions have RDC controller and sensors:
http://bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/E7...c_ctrl_unit-2/

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...27&hg=36&fg=15

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That link mentions BMW but it does not say for which vehicle.
The Tech at my dealer was very specific when he said that the X5 does not have sensors in the rim. that, but admitted that other BMW wheels for instatnce the last 7 did have TMPS in the rim.

I think for any X5 no matter where it is sold, it was made in Carolina USA, so the TMPS system will be the same on all cars.
It's easy to swap wheels as the car goes down the line, but they are not going to have different sytems for checking the same function dependant of the market it is going to !!!
complexity on the build line is to be avoided as much as possible. Complexity opens up the risk of a build fault, and costs more money to control that than what they would be saving to standardise the system.

When I have my front tyres pulled, I'll photograh, or maybe even Video it. because I really want to know for myself, what is in my vehicle.
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Old 10-04-2010, 06:00 AM
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That link mentions BMW but it does not say for which vehicle.
The Tech at my dealer was very specific when he said that the X5 does not have sensors in the rim. that, but admitted that other BMW wheels for instatnce the last 7 did have TMPS in the rim.

I think for any X5 no matter where it is sold, it was made in Carolina USA, so the TMPS system will be the same on all cars.
It's easy to swap wheels as the car goes down the line, but they are not going to have different sytems for checking the same function dependant of the market it is going to !!!
complexity on the build line is to be avoided as much as possible. Complexity opens up the risk of a build fault, and costs more money to control that than what they would be saving to standardise the system.

When I have my front tyres pulled, I'll photograh, or maybe even Video it. because I really want to know for myself, what is in my vehicle.
You are correct in your other post that in the new models (at least in the '10's) that the TPMS sensors are hub mounted and you do not need new ones when you swap the wheels.

I've already been down this road with our new wheels.
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Old 10-04-2010, 07:49 AM
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That link mentions BMW but it does not say for which vehicle.
The Tech at my dealer was very specific when he said that the X5 does not have sensors in the rim. that, but admitted that other BMW wheels for instatnce the last 7 did have TMPS in the rim.
The first link is an E70.

The 2nd link is a US model 2010 build date 2011 model year E70 3.5d. If someone can provide a VIN to the 2nd site, you can look it up for your build (presumably).

I'm not saying they definitely do have an RDC controller and sensors, I'm saying the parts info looks like it. It may vary by wheel size --- I'm not sure there is room in a 20" wheel for example.

The RDC info was much more specific for my E61. (e.g. US model gets this, CA model gets that, etc.)

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I think for any X5 no matter where it is sold, it was made in Carolina USA, so the TMPS system will be the same on all cars.
Actually BMW configure the build by destination. e.g. BMWs built in Germany heading for the US are different configuration than those for Euro domestic market. And I'm sure the E70's built in NC for the UK are RHD not LHD....

This should be pretty easy to check with a call to a dealer parts department.
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Old 10-05-2010, 07:08 AM
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Is it possible to put on the 20" 214 Rims 275/45/20 Winter tires all around?
The summer ones come from the factory with 275 in the front and 315 in the back.

Would be perfect to drive a little smaller tire on the wheel in the winter.

Let me know
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Is it possible to put on the 20" 214 Rims 275/45/20 Winter tires all around?
The summer ones come from the factory with 275 in the front and 315 in the back.

Would be perfect to drive a little smaller tire on the wheel in the winter.

Let me know
You are much better off asking hte experts, e.g. Gary on the Bimmerfest Wheel & Tire Forum:

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Old 10-05-2010, 07:25 AM
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Tire Rack TPMS FAQ's

Here is the sticky that is posted on the BF Wheel & Tire Forum. I have highlighted in bold those sections which appear germane to this thread:
Tech Bulletin from Tire Rack - TPMS FAQ

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To help general understanding of TPMS my marketing dept has asked me to post this in the appropriate forum.


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Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems and Aftermarket Wheels

A direct tire pressure monitoring systems (TPMS) will be standard equipment on every vehicle sold in the U.S. after September, 2007. The criteria for TPMS standardization is that the vehicle must have only four wheels (no dual-wheeled trucks or motorcycles), and weigh less than 10,000 lbs.

All new MINIs and many older BMWs are equipped with an indirect style TPMS (see TPMS facts below), which doesn't affect wheel or tire replacement. On BMWs equipped with direct TPMS, several different valve sensors have been used. All current BMW valve sensors are produced by BERU and sold in two parts: the sensor component and the metal valve.

The Tire Rack has sensors available for every direct system-equipped BMW up to 2007 models. Not all wheels will be compatible with BMW sensors. The size of the sensor shouldn't be a problem for mostwheels, but if the valve hole is in the middle of the wheel's barrel, then the sensor will not fit properly. Wheel manufacturers are aware of the issue and are making most of their wheels TPMS-compatible. We have carefully determined which wheels that are currently available will be compatible with the system installed on your vehicle, and only those fitments are listed on the site


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TPMS Facts

Direct TPMS use a sensor in the wheel/tire to wirelessly relay pressure back to the driver via a display inside the vehicle. Some vehicles have a digital screen that continuously shows all four tire pressures (five if spare has sensor). Others simply flash a "low tire pressure" light on the dash. Additionally, there are two different styles of sensors for a direct system: a valve sensor and a strap/band sensor. Only valve sensors are used on BMW direct system-equipped vehicles. If you bought an aftermarket SmarTire TPMS, its sensors are held on by a strap around the barrel of the wheel.


Indirect systems work in conjunction with the ABS wheel speed sensors that "count" the number of revolutions of each tire. If the right front tire is low (25psi) it will spin faster than the left front tire (35psi). The ABS system will recognize this change and alert the driver with a flashing light and possibly a loud chime. BMW's indirect systems do not affect the fitment of aftermarket wheels.
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My take on this is that ALL BMW's sold in the US since 9/07 have sensors attached to the valves; none have sensors around the barrell of the wheel. However, BMW's sold in other markets (like Marlbro's) may have a different system.
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Is it possible to put on the 20" 214 Rims 275/45/20 Winter tires all around?
The summer ones come from the factory with 275 in the front and 315 in the back.

Would be perfect to drive a little smaller tire on the wheel in the winter.

Let me know
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Old 10-05-2010, 09:16 AM
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Ok just one more...

TPMS and RFT are not required - i can just swap the tire?!

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Old 10-05-2010, 09:42 AM
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Ok just one more...

TPMS and RFT are not required - i can just swap the tire?!

Y or N
RFT not required, but you need some kind of spare wheel or recovery solution if you get a flat.

TMPS sensor, the parts diagrams indicate they are used in the US, I would check with your dealer, and give them your VIN to be sure. You can also tell by inspecting the valve stems of your existing wheels. I will do my best to describe it, it is a gray stem, with a plastic nut portion that is closer to the open portion of the stem, and a sleeve extension extending down to the wheel end (not a bare rubber stem).



I bought my TPMS sensors for my E60 from Bavarian Autosport. Good price and definitely OE spec.
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THX for the reply!

I try to avoid any TPMS or RFT and like to go just with regular tires for the winter.

Hope the TPMS is not required and it will run without the TPMS becasue the TPMS in the X5 should be in the Hub.
You read here so many diffrent posts about this but nothing realy clear....
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The Bavauto set is $370 for the 4 wheels. Tire Rack has a comparable kit for $200.

@ Living: Do you have a spare tire in your X5 (it does NOT come with one, unless you checked that option when you ordered the vehicle). IMHO you would be crazy to be running around with regular (non-run-flat) tires if you don't have a spare. What are you going to do if you have a blow out on Lake Shore Drive at midnight in a snow storm? Park the car, walk home, and hope it's still there in the morning?

And if you elect NOT to use TPMS, you will get an error message on your iDrive every time you get into the car. It will drive you crazy.

If you are driving a $60,000 to $70,000 vehicle, what's the big deal about spending $200 on TPM's?

And if you don't trust the information on this board, did you ever think to read your X5's manual? (The importance of the TPMS system is stressed on pages 100 and 101 in the 2011 online version).

Good grief, Charlie Brown!
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The Bavauto set is $370 for the 4 wheels. Tire Rack has a comparable kit for $200.
Right, the Tire Rack kit is made by Beru, the OE supplier; the BavAuto kit are actual BMW boxed parts. I got the latter because I wanted to be 100% sure they worked, still cheaper than the dealer...!
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The Bavauto set is $370 for the 4 wheels. Tire Rack has a comparable kit for $200.

@ Living: Do you have a spare tire in your X5 (it does NOT come with one, unless you checked that option when you ordered the vehicle). IMHO you would be crazy to be running around with regular (non-run-flat) tires if you don't have a spare. What are you going to do if you have a blow out on Lake Shore Drive at midnight in a snow storm? Park the car, walk home, and hope it's still there in the morning?

And if you elect NOT to use TPMS, you will get an error message on your iDrive every time you get into the car. It will drive you crazy.

If you are driving a $60,000 to $70,000 vehicle, what's the big deal about spending $200 on TPM's?

And if you don't trust the information on this board, did you ever think to read your X5's manual? (The importance of the TPMS system is stressed on pages 100 and 101 in the 2011 online version).

Good grief, Charlie Brown!


Ok, mine is not build jet! But i tought the TPMS Sensor is build in the Hub and not in the tire?!

Was just checking before i waste $200 or can take out my girl to a nice place for the $$$.
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OK, as a new one here i wonder if its not possible to use the TPMS from the summer tires for the winter tires because ist just a tire set and as far as i know you install the TPMS at the valve?
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OK, as a new one here i wonder if its not possible to use the TPMS from the summer tires for the winter tires because ist just a tire set and as far as i know you install the TPMS at the valve?
If you're using the same set of wheels between summer and winter, it is easier to leave them on the wheels when you swap the tires. If you have a 2nd set of wheels, you'd need a 2nd set of TPMS sensors, that is how I have my E61 set up.

The TPMS is not really part of the valve stem, but attaches to it as a mounting point, it does not read pressure from anywhere near the valve. But still you have to have the special valve stem (part of the kit) to attach it to.

To be clear, it is mounted on the wheel INSIDE the tire, so you can't swap them without dismounting the tires.

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Ok, im using the same wheels.
That means i can use the TPMS from my oems to my winter ones?!

Just puting it out of the original ones and puting it in the winter ones.

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Just an FYI on the TPMS for those of you that are thinking about skipping the sensors for your winter set-up. I've been running dedicated winter wheels/tires on my 535xi without the TPMS, as I wasnt crazy about paying another $200 for snows. I get a simple warning chime at start-up and the small icon stays lit - really doesn't bother me too much for the 4 months per year. I plan on doing the same when my X5 arrives in November.
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Actually, a whole bunch of us answered your question. You just chose to ignore all the answers you didn't like (like the caution that you better have a spare if you forego RFT's) until someone gave you the answer you wanted to hear.

In the future it would be better if you said "I am looking for someone to tell me it is absolutely fine to skip RFT's and TPMS on my winter wheels." That way, none of the rest of us would have wasted our time trying to educate you on all the potential pitfalls of what you are contemplating.

BTW you should realize that the fellow who gave you the answer you wanted to hear has a factory spare tire in his car.
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RFT not required, but you need some kind of spare wheel or recovery solution if you get a flat.

TMPS sensor, the parts diagrams indicate they are used in the US, I would check with your dealer, and give them your VIN to be sure. You can also tell by inspecting the valve stems of your existing wheels. I will do my best to describe it, it is a gray stem, with a plastic nut portion that is closer to the open portion of the stem, and a sleeve extension extending down to the wheel end (not a bare rubber stem).



I bought my TPMS sensors for my E60 from Bavarian Autosport. Good price and definitely OE spec.
My Valve stems are just plain rubber, i haven't had the tyres pulled yet so I can not personally confirm - just going on what my Tech told me !!!
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