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Old 09-27-2010, 11:10 AM
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Former E60 owners, how do you like your F10?

I had a 2008 535i with the sports package and now I have an F10 535i with the sports package and the dynamic handling package.

I've come to realize that luxuary is not really that important to me and not why I like bmws. I like them because of the handling and engines most of their cars posess. I also realized that I will likely never buy a seven series. The E60 is an amazing mid-size sedan. It's so tight and the way it hunkers down and sticks to the road and provides sports car like feedback and cornering is for sure a benchmark for it's size and segment.

The F10 is imo a luxuary cruiser with some mild sporting abilities. It feels big, comfortable and luxurious but unfortunately also quite un-inspiring. I find myself longing for a smaller sportier and "basic" car something that I never did with the E60.

What's your take? Are you woved by the undoubtly improved ride and exceptional refinement and luxury or do you find that the funfer has lost some of it's magic?

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OMG don't let richschneid see this post! He will go absolutely apoplectic! (You and I may disagree about leasing vs. buying, but sounds like we have exactly the same concern about the F10).
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OMG don't let richschneid see this post! He will go absolutely apoplectic! (You and I may disagree about leasing vs. buying, but sounds like we have exactly the same concern about the F10).
OMG, I better close my eyes! I'll let you know when my car gets here next week. I have never driven an F10 535i so I can't comment. I have driven a rear drive 550i and the performance was awe inspiring even with the Goodyear RFTs. It will blow the socks off my 650i, and my 650i will blow the socks off an E60 550i because it is lighter with the same engine. There is a huge difference between 300hp with 300 lb ft versus 400hp and 450 lb ft. I even liked the steering and high speed cornering just as much even though I don't think it had the IAS. But the new 8 speed sport automatic is much better than the 6 speed steptronic on my 650i for fast sporty driving.

The F10 550i is also a lot more luxurious especially in terms of ride comfort even with the RFTs. But I agree it stands to reason that the E60 535i would be more sporting than an F10 535i because of the same engine output and added weight of the F10. But despite its potential difference in feel, I think the sportiness of the F10 535i should be judged only based upon how it drives with the Integral Active Steering. A driver interested in sporty performance should get the car with both the sport auto and the IAS. That's why BMW offers these advanced performance options.

See, there I agreed with you on something. And I didn't even call you any names. Now why don't you try to reciprocate?
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Old 09-27-2010, 12:14 PM
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I had a 2008 535i with the sports package and now I have an F10 535i with the sports package and the dynamic handling package.

I've come to realize that luxuary is not really that important to me and not why I like bmws. I like them because of the handling and engines most of heir cars posess. I also realized that I will likely never buy a seven series. The E60 is an amazing mid-size sedan. It's so tight and the way it hunkers down and sticks to the road and provides sports car like feedback and cornering is for sure a benchmark for it's size and segment.

The F10 is imo a luxuary cruiser with some mild sporting abilities. It feels big, comfortable and luxurious but unfortunately also quite un-inspiring. I find myself longing for a smaller sportier and "basic" car something that I never did with the E60.

What's your take? Are you woved by the undoubtly imporved ride and exceptional refinement and luxury or do you find that the funfer has lost some of it's magic?
I will also agree with you on this. But as I have said before, your longing for something smaller and sportier might be satisfied with the new larger 3 series due out in about 2 years. I was longing for something larger and more luxurious and the 7 is much too big. So, having an AWD luxury sedan that will do 0-60 faster than my E39 M5 and handles the twisties as well as my 650i really satisfies my longings.
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Old 09-27-2010, 12:17 PM
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Yeah, I got e60 535i sport; since the feel is very subjective, could you tell us (the prospective buyers who only drove f10 several times, although very aggressively on twisted roads with sharp turns) what it is exactly that you could do in the e60 that you cannot in f10? Does it over or understeer more, you're unable to take corners the same way you could before?
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Old 09-27-2010, 01:09 PM
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It's obvious that BMW is doing this for the sake of the company profit and long term survival. The 5 is after all a luxury car. People who prefer a more performance oriented sedan can stick with the 3 series.

It's no coincidence that BMW is moving on to the "Joy" slogan. The ultimate driving machine title is better reserved for the P car.

My guess is that it's only a matter of time that Porsche introduces a smaller 4 four sedan.
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Old 09-27-2010, 01:24 PM
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Yeah, I got e60 535i sport; since the feel is very subjective, could you tell us (the prospective buyers who only drove f10 several times, although very aggressively on twisted roads with sharp turns) what it is exactly that you could do in the e60 that you cannot in f10? Does it over or understeer more, you're unable to take corners the same way you could before?
To clarify it's mainly about what it makes me want to do and not what it can do. Honestly, I could probably go faster in my SUV than what I did (not could) with my E60 on my favourite backroads. It would be an absolutely hair raising, tire squeeling affair to do so while with the E60 it was pure enjoyment and that's my point, not that the F10 isn't a capable car. I just feel it's a lot less inspiring and fun to drive so yeah you bet it's subjective but for me that's what a road car is all about since I'm not in a competition.

rich, I think I told you before that even the new 3 will be to small for me, that's why I'm a bit dissappointed that that the funfer is now less of a match for us that needs the space of a larger car but craves the sportiness and fun factor of a smaller car.

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Old 09-27-2010, 01:47 PM
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Okay, I cannot argue with a full force of experience since I only drove it a few times. I did notice it feels different than e60, but I did not notice that it made my driving tentative in sport and sport+. I will see how it performs on the A-bahn in December although it will be on winter tires then.
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I'm going from a 335i 6MT and should really notice the changes in the F10 535i. Right??? Well, of course its much larger. I have not found the steering flawed. Obviously, I have not pushed the car to the limit, but I've gone far faster than the posted limit on a few bay area backroads and felt the car inspired confidence. Maybe on a track, I would find the steering flawed, but the 5 series in its stock trim is not a track car. The M5 will be that beast. The F10 met and exceeded my expectations. The acceleration and fuel mileage is amazing for a much larger car.
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OMG, I better close my eyes! I'll let you know when my car gets here next week. I have never driven an F10 535i so I can't comment. I have driven a rear drive 550i and the performance was awe inspiring even with the Goodyear RFTs. It will blow the socks off my 650i, and my 650i will blow the socks off an E60 550i because it is lighter with the same engine. There is a huge difference between 300hp with 300 lb ft versus 400hp and 450 lb ft. I even liked the steering and high speed cornering just as much even though I don't think it had the IAS. But the new 8 speed sport automatic is much better than the 6 speed steptronic on my 650i for fast sporty driving.

The F10 550i is also a lot more luxurious especially in terms of ride comfort even with the RFTs. But I agree it stands to reason that the E60 535i would be more sporting than an F10 535i because of the same engine output and added weight of the F10. But despite its potential difference in feel, I think the sportiness of the F10 535i should be judged only based upon how it drives with the Integral Active Steering. A driver interested in sporty performance should get the car with both the sport auto and the IAS. That's why BMW offers these advanced performance options.

See, there I agreed with you on something. And I didn't even call you any names. Now why don't you try to reciprocate?
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I spent quite a bit of time in both F10's (535 & 550) at the Ultimate Drive event. The power of the 550 was effortless but as some others have said, I found both cars rather numb and uninspired compared to my E60 (E61 in my case). As a counterpoint I just drove a 2007 Z4 M Coupe... That may be the finest car I have ever driven in terms of just sheer driving purity and involvement. I realize that these cars run the gamut from sport to luxury but the new F10 was supposed to be the best of both worlds right?
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I spent quite a bit of time in both F10's (535 & 550) at the Ultimate Drive event. The power of the 550 was effortless but as some others have said, I found both cars rather numb and uninspired compared to my E60 (E61 in my case). As a counterpoint I just drove a 2007 Z4 M Coupe... That may be the finest car I have ever driven in terms of just sheer driving purity and involvement. I realize that these cars run the gamut from sport to luxury by the new F10 was supposed to be the best of both worlds right?
I would probably say the new 6 should be the best of both worlds. A 4-door sedan could never compare to a roadster. Although, I'm still inspired by the F10.

Where do you guys find the place and time to push these cars so hard?
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I can't say how I'm liking my new f10 so far, it's sitting on a dock in Germany. I can say how much I've enjoyed my 08 535xi tho. It's a ton, that car basically had me at hello. I wasn't really sold on the exterior design, but I love the interior and the drive. It impresses me every time I drive it, it also impresses my clients when I use it for work. I've read all the reviews of the new car, I drove every competitors equal and each time my car with almost fifty thousand miles was better than theirs with no miles on it. There was no choice for me, BMW all the way!
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I can't say how I'm liking my new f10 so far, it's sitting on a dock in Germany. I can say how much I've enjoyed my 08 535xi tho. It's a ton, that car basically had me at hello. I wasn't really sold on the exterior design, but I love the interior and the drive. It impresses me every time I drive it, it also impresses my clients when I use it for work. I've read all the reviews of the new car, I drove every competitors equal and each time my car with almost fifty thousand miles was better than theirs with no miles on it. There was no choice for me, BMW all the way!
The F10 is that upper class model you dated back in college. So damn pretty and well mannered and who gave you immediate status among men at any occassion. The E60 is the sporty quirky girl, a little bit too muscular and with a few scars here and there but oh so much fun were it really counts...
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yeah, but who would you rather marry?

Why continue driving a car you don't like? can't you find someone with 2010 e60 who'd exchange with you?
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yeah, but who would you rather marry?

Why continue driving a car you don't like? can't you find someone with 2010 e60 who'd exchange with you?
If you passed first grade math I think you can figure that one out.
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Marry? I'm not planning to spend the rest of my life with any one car so that question is kind of moot.
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The F10 is that upper class model you dated back in college. So damn pretty and well mannered and who gave you immediate status among men at any occassion. The E60 is the sporty quirky girl, a little bit too muscular and with a few scars here and there but oh so much fun were it really counts...
So then what's the Z4 M Coupe?
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I would probably say the new 6 should be the best of both worlds. A 4-door sedan could never compare to a roadster. Although, I'm still inspired by the F10.

Where do you guys find the place and time to push these cars so hard?
The new 6er should be a fine car but still will not bring the same knife edge characteristics to the table as the Z4MC, nor should it. I was just using the Z4MC as a contrast to the F10.

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No. It's on the dealer's lot. Do you want it? Send me a private message. You can buy from me directly at a great price. The dealer wants me to try to sell it myself at no commission for him. It's like new with only 24,500 miles. You can even get it with certified pre owned BMW warranty for an extra $2500 or so.
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No. It's on the dealer's lot. Do you want it? Send me a private message. You can buy from me directly at a great price. The dealer wants me to try to sell it myself at no commission for him. It's like new with only 24,500 miles. You can even get it with certified pre owned BMW warranty for an extra $2500 or so.
No no, lol, just curious how the used market is. I put my 530i on Craigslist for 2 weeks and never heard a peep, noticed similars at dealers were going for just over my tradein offer and were languishing, so I got spooked and just traded in to avoid the hassle.

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I dunno - I drove an F10 550 sport very, very hard at the BMW Performance Center in Greer SC on their track there. It was amazingly powerful and handled the second best of all the cars I tested there (only the M3 was in a higher league, but in my opinion it was too raw for me). I was amazed that such a big sedan could go around a track so fast, accelerate so hard, and brake like it was hitting a brick wall.

I also watched other, better drivers do the same circuit with that car. It looked amazing going around.

I have absolutely no doubt I will be buying another 5er after my E60 has run its course.

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The F10 is that upper class model you dated back in college. So damn pretty and well mannered and who gave you immediate status among men at any occassion. The E60 is the sporty quirky girl, a little bit too muscular and with a few scars here and there but oh so much fun were it really counts...
I think you may need a true sports car in addition to your F10, then you will have the best of both worlds. Just date the one you are in the mood for each time.
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To clarify it's mainly about what it makes me want to do and not what it can do. Honestly, I could probably go faster in my SUV than what I did (not could) with my E60 on my favourite backroads. It would be an absolutely hair raising, tire squeeling affair to do so while with the E60 it was pure enjoyment and that's my point, not that the F10 isn't a capable car. I just feel it's a lot less inspiring and fun to drive so yeah you bet it's subjective but for me that's what a road car is all about since I'm not in a competition.

rich, I think I told you before that even the new 3 will be to small for me, that's why I'm a bit dissappointed that that the funfer is now less of a match for us that needs the space of a larger car but craves the sportiness and fun factor of a smaller car.
Sol, I think you are stuck in the middle here. Actually, I'm sorry you can't get the car you want. I hate to say this but I think the car you would really be happy with in terms of both size a sporty feel is way too expensive, the Porshe Panamera which starts at about $90,000. But I think you can tell from this thread that a lot of people are very happy with the F10.
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Weren't people saying the same exact things about the E60 when it came out, vs the E39? 'Too big, too soft, not as sporty, 'a step backwards', etc.
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