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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 05-02-2015, 05:32 AM
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No Start-540i 6 Speed Crank, Fuel,No Spark

So after countless hours of searching every forum and talking to people and working on my beautiful 540i/6 I am Stumped!

So I swapped my motor bc original blew up bc of timing guide failure. I got everything plugged in and installed. Except headlights and my hood.

But my car will crank over and I will smell fuel but no spark. I have checked cam and crank sensors. They are fine. What could it be?
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Old 05-02-2015, 09:02 AM
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Any stored codes?
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Old 05-02-2015, 09:06 AM
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Looks like the cel is on. But I don't own a scan tool. Also don't know which one to buy
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Old 05-02-2015, 09:29 AM
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Harbor Freight Tools has a nice one for about $100, model 60694.

There are several on ebay that work with smart phones. Some here report good results.
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Old 05-02-2015, 09:50 AM
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Depending on where you are, your local AutoZone should be able to scan the codes (except california.) I've also heard of Aamco's scanning codes for free also, just don't let them do anything else!
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Old 05-02-2015, 10:32 AM
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The code I got was P1622
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Old 05-02-2015, 11:20 AM
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Depending on where you are, your local AutoZone should be able to scan the codes (except california.)
And Hawaii...
- Obtaining the pending or diagnostic trouble code (DTC) using free or freeware scans (1) [except in California or Hawaii (1) (2)]
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I've also heard of Aamco's scanning codes for free also, just don't let them do anything else!
- Where to get the cheapest reasonable OBDII scanner & a template of what to tell people from the Republik of Kalifornia who need to do an OBC diagnostic scan (1)
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The code I got was P1622
- All OBDII codes, including BMW-specific P1xxx DTCs specific to the engine computer of each BMW (1)
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P1622 MAP Cooling Control Circuit Electrical
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Old 05-02-2015, 11:29 AM
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Im just not sure why im not getting spark. And what is weird too is that one time while cranking it almost turned over like was sounding like it wanted to, but hasnt done that in a while
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Old 05-02-2015, 03:55 PM
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Do I need to get the key synched to the engine for it to start?!
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Old 05-02-2015, 04:43 PM
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The engine doesn't care about the key.

P1622 MAP Cooling Control Circuit Electrical. This indicates a failure in the thermostat circuit. This will not prevent starting.

How much fuel pressure do you have? Your MY has a Schrader valve on the fuel rail for easy pressure gauge connection. Pressure s/b 50 psi+.

Did you, by any chance, replace the engine electronics with that of the replacement engine?
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Old 05-02-2015, 04:55 PM
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I did not change electronics old harness and ecu
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Old 05-05-2015, 03:09 PM
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Anyone know what to do next?

Also when I have my key in ignition why is there a buzzing noise from the engine bay

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Old 05-05-2015, 05:00 PM
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Yes. Report the fuel pressure, as requested.

The buzzing is probably coming from the throttle body, but only with the switch in position 2.
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Old 05-06-2015, 03:45 AM
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are your coil packs getting electricity?
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Old 05-06-2015, 07:29 AM
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There is a small fuse "cartridge" in the E-Box under the right side cabin air filter. I think it is black and holds 5 fuses one of which is for the coil/spark circuit. This fuse box is sort of hard to pry open but is straight forward after that. Check it out and let us know what you find.
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So I got a fuel pressure gage didn't have the right fitting but when I press the valve it shoots out about 3 inchs so probably very low fuel pressure. The coils are getting power.

The 5 fuses are all good as well

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Old 05-07-2015, 05:58 AM
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I did swap fuel rails with engines bc of where the fuel outlet was. Maybe that swap is what is causing low pressure?
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Old 05-09-2015, 03:29 AM
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Old 05-09-2015, 04:57 AM
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Old 06-23-2015, 07:13 PM
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So I have good fuel pressure, no cel and still no spark! It cranks but no spark. I just replaced the CPS . maybe the wire is bad?! OR can a EWS system be trigged because the car was sitting for a long time with no battery?
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Old 06-24-2015, 02:35 AM
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No the ews doesnt care about the engine.. and it would have not been triggered unless you swapped keys or ign cylinders....

calm down... calm down.. your almost there.... Let me think this thru

You did a short block only? same harness all the sensors that you could you swapped over from the blown engine to the new engine?



Do us all a favor... don't go swapping shet left and right or your gonna be in a world of hurt that's gonna lead to a mess real quick..

Your positive you have no spark?
your positive you have Good fuel? you cranked for a while or cycled the key a few dozen times? let it build up pressure in the rail ?

ignition system troubleshoting starts on pagge 120-3

"ignition timing is electronically mapped and not adjustable The ECM used engine load engine speed coolant temperate, knock detection and intake air temperature as the basic inputs for timing control. A three dimensional map similar to the one shown is digitally stored in the ECM The initial ignition point is determined by the crankshaft speed sensor during cranking. Once the engine is running the timing is continually adjusted based on operating conditions "
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Old 06-24-2015, 03:18 AM
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yeah, i'm still stuck on how an entire engine can be replaced and not have a scanner. or how a fuel rail can be tested by just pressing the Schrader valve. My only help if this is all true is to back probe.. but the odds of that happening are slim to none.. Fuel spark air... pick one and prove what you have..
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Old 06-24-2015, 04:04 AM
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yeah, i'm still stuck on how an entire engine can be replaced and not have a scanner. or how a fuel rail can be tested by just pressing the Schrader valve. \.

I dont see the problem here... you dont need a scanner to change an engine.. you need a engine hoist....

and depressing the scharader valve will allow fuel to come out... just like a tire

He didn't technically check fuel pressure, he just assumes there is fuel pressure...

Which he has....

and since there was no problem with fuel delivery prior to the engine timing failure I do not see the need to continue down that tree...

the focus Is @ IGN2
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Old 06-24-2015, 04:30 AM
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I dont see the problem here... you dont need a scanner to change an engine.. you need a engine hoist....

and depressing the scharader valve will allow fuel to come out... just like a tire

He didn't technically check fuel pressure, he just assumes there is fuel pressure...

Which he has....

and since there was no problem with fuel delivery prior to the engine timing failure I do not see the need to continue down that tree...

the focus Is @ IGN2
Thanks for the defense.
I do have a scanner and all the fuel pressure kits I rented were missing my size. But yes need to find out why no spark and that's it
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Old 06-24-2015, 04:32 AM
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No the ews doesnt care about the engine.. and it would have not been triggered unless you swapped keys or ign cylinders....

calm down... calm down.. your almost there.... Let me think this thru

You did a short block only? same harness all the sensors that you could you swapped over from the blown engine to the new engine?



Do us all a favor... don't go swapping shet left and right or your gonna be in a world of hurt that's gonna lead to a mess real quick..

Your positive you have no spark?
your positive you have Good fuel? you cranked for a while or cycled the key a few dozen times? let it build up pressure in the rail ?

ignition system troubleshoting starts on pagge 120-3

"ignition timing is electronically mapped and not adjustable The ECM used engine load engine speed coolant temperate, knock detection and intake air temperature as the basic inputs for timing control. A three dimensional map similar to the one shown is digitally stored in the ECM The initial ignition point is determined by the crankshaft speed sensor during cranking. Once the engine is running the timing is continually adjusted based on operating conditions "
The only things thaty aren't the same on this engine are the knock sensors. As in not from the old motor. And I swapped the whole motor not just the short block

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