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The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 04-03-2017, 06:17 AM
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BMW "Branded" 5w-30 Discontinued

Stopped by Inskip in Warwick, RI and was informed that BMW is switching to 0-w30 lol and no longer will be stocking the 5w.


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They must have secured a nice big batch for cheap. We've had a pretty warm winter so I doubt it's for anything beneficial in regards to the climate
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I discovered this after looking over the invoice for the 98 528 after the last 'Value Service' oil change. Needless to say, I was annoyed that the SA did not know enough to mention that they would be using an oil thinner than recommended for that engine. I have my suspicions that the VCG leak that is barely starting has not been benefited by 0w30. Maybe someone has an opinion here?

I will be switching to another name brand 5w30 synthetic. Castrol or Liqui Moly are on the top of my list.
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I knew that BMW had switched "brands" (http://www.shell.com/business-custom...-supplier.html). At that time (2014)...they were touting "SHELL/PENNZOIL"...and if you went to http://www.shell.com/motorist/find-the-right-oil.html ...you could find out what the BMW recommendation was for your BMW.

When I input the info for my 97 e38 740iL & 06 e53 X5 4.4...you can see what the recommendation was:






Everything I'm finding is saying either 15w-40 or 5W-40 or 5W-30 for the M62/M62TU/M54:

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Last time I checked the Shell/Pennzoil site the 15w-40 wasn't a recommendation for my M54 (2002 530i). I'm surprised at that one.
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Old 04-06-2017, 05:55 AM
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I have no empirical evidence, but for me, Castrol Euro Formula 0-40 is the best oil I have ever used. Everyone I have seen who switched to it from another brand oil has come back to say their motor sounded quieter.

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0w-30 oil is not "thinner" than 5w-30 at operating temperature

The idea that 0w-30 or an 0w oil is "too thin" for use in your BMW is a misnomer. This is a common misunderstanding. For over 15 years BMW listed Castrol Edge 0w-30 (and Mobil 1 0w-40) as one of several LL-01 approved oils on the BMWNA website. (this list was removed a couple years ago as BMW now only "approves" or recommends their own branded oils)

A 0w oil is only thinner than a 5w oil at colder temperatures, which helps with flow during the important cold start. At operating temperatures (all other factors being equal) a 0w-30 and a 5w-30 oil are both "30" weight at operating temperature. So in all cases, a 0w-30 is superior to a 5w-30 as the 0w will flow better at cold start (Reducing wear) while protecting the same as any 5w-30 oil at operating temperature.

If you would like to increase your understanding of mulit-viscosity oils and how they work, please considering reading the first one or two chapters of this article...I guarantee it will hook you! (while I don't agree with the writers advocacy of using thin oils, his explanations are very good)

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/tec...copy-save.html
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The most important factor to consider when figuring out the oil viscosity to use is if it is LL-01 rated or approved. If you follow this rating, it will ensure your have the proper viscosity, as there are many viscosities that are LL-01 rated....including 0w-30, 0w-40, 5w-30 and 5w-40. What is interesting, is if you look up the detailed specifications from the oil manufacturers, you will find the viscosity specs are actually quite similar, in spite of the viscosity numbers on the bottles. For example, for many years Mobil 1 0w-40 was LL-01 rated (it no longer has this rating). Even though it was a "40" at operating temperature, if you read the details specs, you would see it was "barely" a 40....just at the lower end of the range. By comparison, oil analysis of the BMW 5w-30 high performance synthetic oil, showed it was actually a very thick "30" weight at operating temperature. At the very high end and still be considered a "30. So all in all, the LL-01 rating, limits the range of viscosity automatically for you, as it must be within a specific range to maintain the LL-01 rating

The are many other factors involved in the LL-01 rating that just viscosity, it also ensures it is shear stable, and a robust additive package for the extended oil change interval (though most of us change well before that)
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Shell oil recommendations...

Remember while Shell and BMW have a relationship, the recommendations on Shell's website are their own, not BMW's. If you want BMW's most current recommendations, you would need to consult from their website, or contact your local dealership for the most up to date recommendations.
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if your not a leaker... and can hold your oil for long enough to make it this long..

switch to amsoil.. start doing 75,000 mile oil changes...
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75,ooo? You mean 7,500 right.
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NOPE... i know a dude, who's in to being a oil scientist.... he knows everything there is about oil
sending it for analysis, knows what those numbers mean on the report and when you acutely have to change it cause its chemical state is changing (break down)

he says there is nothing that last more then 100,000 miles

and also has a good story to why it cost's 200 dollars for a oil change (just the cost of the oil)
guys kindda in to the whole efficiency thing* worked all the numbers and checked it back against what it cost to do 50$ oil changes every 5-10k and swears its cheaper to just buy the best stuff right off the bat

granted he didnt drive a bmw... so I dont know what our engines do to oil compaired to what his did... Thus the sent out oil analyses

so i went looking for the oil im talking about... took notice that amsoil is 2x's the cost of mobile 1 but thats not the whole story,

there was something special he added that mad the oil last for so long... or something to asist the oil in its break down process
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Well, I suppose if your not keeping a vehicle very long you can just add oil as needed and never change it.
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FYI, I just bought a 5 qt jug of Mobil1 5w-30 and they have a mail-in (or website-in, like I did) rebate going on now for $12 off a 5-qt jug. The oil was on sale for $25 so I got it for $13 net, which is just $2.60 a quart for Mobil1.

I use synthetic 5w-30 for all three of my vehicles, so I just buy whatever brand is on sale so I'm ready for the next oil change or top-off. All three vehicles (including my 530i) leak/burn oil, plus we drive our cars a total of 3,000 miles/month so I'm going through a lot of oil. I feel like I should buy it in a 50-gallon drum sometimes.
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FYI, I just bought a 5 qt jug of Mobil1 5w-30 and they have a mail-in (or website-in, like I did) rebate going on now for $12 off a 5-qt jug. The oil was on sale for $25 so I got it for $13 net, which is just $2.60 a quart for Mobil1.

I use synthetic 5w-30 for all three of my vehicles, so I just buy whatever brand is on sale so I'm ready for the next oil change or top-off. All three vehicles (including my 530i) leak/burn oil, plus we drive our cars a total of 3,000 miles/month so I'm going through a lot of oil. I feel like I should buy it in a 50-gallon drum sometimes.
Mobil synthetic 5000 is only $20 per gallon jug at many stores. With a $10 rebate offered, that nets to $10 per jug. I just bought two for my GFs Toyota Tundra.
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BMW Twin Power 5w-30 LL01

BMW still makes a full synthetic 5w-30 oil that is LL01 rated under the Twin Power label
https://www.getbmwparts.com/partloca...catalogid=4462

Why the dealer wouldn't perform an oil change with it, is up for speculation. I know sometimes certain factory oils are not available in barrels, only in bottles, and dealers hate using bottles....it is more costly, less convenient to dispense, and much more waste, dealing with throwing away the bottles.

I noticed most of the newer BMWs spec the 0w-30 and since it is also LL01FE rated, this oil is NOT backwards compatible with LL01. It would appear that the owners above that received the 0w-30 oil from the BMW dealer, may want to return and have the correct oil installed. See this compatibility chart which states LL01FE is not backwards compatible with LL01 http://www.oilspecifications.org/bmw.php The chart mentions LL01FE has a low HTHS, which is directly in conflict with the LL01 spec which requires a high HTHS (a minimum of 3.7 or higher).

Here are all the various oils BMW stocks presently in bottles:
https://www.getbmwparts.com/partloca...egoryID=138022
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I have no empirical evidence, but for me, Castrol Euro Formula 0-40 is the best oil I have ever used. Everyone I have seen who switched to it from another brand oil has come back to say their motor sounded quieter.

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GC 0w30 used to be all the hype back then.

BMW decided to switch to a 0w30, and if it can hold its own against shearing, good for them.
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GC 0w30 used to be all the hype back then.

BMW decided to switch to a 0w30, and if it can hold its own against shearing, good for them.
THAT is the problem....BMW's 0w-30 is not LL01 approved and in fact has a lower HTHS rating the any LL01 oil, which does not bode well. It is fine for the cars it is designed for (N1x, N2x, N54, N55, N63, N74), just not older cars like the E39.

Historically, BMW only had two oils for all their cars made in the recent past...5w-30 for most, and 10w-60 for M cars. Now BMW has eight different oils, depending on the requirements of the engine. The newer BMW engines have very specific requirements and many of these oils like the 0w-30 LL01FE do not appear to be backwards compatible with the LL01 specification.
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I wouldn't bother with anything that thin anyways. Classic MPG squeezer formula.

Good old T6 gets the job done.

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I wouldn't bother with anything that thin anyways. Classic MPG squeezer formula.

Good old T6 gets the job done.
It isn't "thin" it is 30 weight at operating temperature...0w at cold start is a good thing...better flow at start up. The issue is the low HTHS...that wont work with E39s that require a minimum of 3.5 HTHS or higher. Its a requirement of LL01

For better mileage you want a 20 weight...that is what Honda and Toyota spec for their mileage champs
I think BMW is starting to on their 4 cylinder turbos too.
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It isn't "thin" it is 30 weight at operating temperature...0w at cold start is a good thing...better flow at start up. The issue is the low HTHS...that wont work with E39s that require a minimum of 3.5 HTHS or higher. Its a requirement of LL01

For better mileage you want a 20 weight...that is what Honda and Toyota spec for their mileage champs
I think BMW is starting to on their 4 cylinder turbos too.
30 weight with lower HTHS translates into shearing.

0/5w40 was always the go-to method for LL01 approval, which no longer will be the case for the new engines.

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30 weight translates into shearing, not to mention the HTHS.

0/5w40 has been used a lot to compensate.
No, HTHS has to do with shearing. There are very shear stable 30 weight oils....most LL01 oils are, it is in their specification

Castrol Edge 0w-30 LL01 oil is/was very shear stable and an extremely popular oil on bobistheoilguy forum. It had legions of fans for years...seems to have waned lately though...
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No, HTHS has to do with shearing. There are very shear stable 30 weight oils....most LL01 oils are, it is in their specification

Castrol Edge 0w-30 LL01 oil is/was very shear stable and an extremely popular oil on bobistheoilguy forum. It had legions of fans for years...seems to have waned lately though...
Yea, I corrected myself just as you posted

GC 0w30 was a solid oil, but it got replaced by an M1 0w40 clone in most places, and the latter is pretty solid regardless.

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