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The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 10-04-2010, 07:08 PM
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Only thing is that your "German" battery is American.

It is Douglass Batteries, Made in USA. The cars came here with no batteries and it was installed here. (I checked with the source).

Some 5 years ago I bought a douglass battery for my E39. I called the factory and asked them if their battery is available retail and if so, who sells them. So they gave me a name or a parts shop and special delivered a brand new fresh battery to them. It is identical to what came in my car (I already knew that) and is the same that the dealer was selling you.

Douglass was sold to another battery manufacturer. Don't are no longer exist.

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Per my post number 5, Douglas Batteries "consumer" line of batteries was purchased by East Penn Batteries. East Penn continued to private label "Douglas" batteries for the BMWNA contract. I have no idea if that continues to this day or not...I would assume if BMWNA still uses Douglas, then they are made by East Penn, since they own it. I don't believe the "Douglas" consumer batteries are made or sold for any purpose other than for the BMWNA contract now. East Penn will have you buy one of their branded batteries, or one of their private label ones they produce for Batteries Plus stores. (which used to be sold under the "Werker" brand name, but I believe is now "Ray O Vac" branded.

Douglas Batteries continues to operate their industrial battery business as a seperate (private) entity.
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Old 10-04-2010, 07:14 PM
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Old 10-04-2010, 07:20 PM
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Pep boys. 1100 cca and working like a beast for years.
There is no 1100CCA battery that would fit in the compartment of a BMW. Impossible. You may be quoting 1100 CA or cranking amps, that is a lower standard, and no longer used. The CCA or "cold cranking amps" is a much tougher test and more relevant. Okay I checked, the only battery for a 540 that Pep Boys lists is a Bosch rated at 1000 CA or 850 CCA. http://c2c.activant.com/ctoc/index.j...86A10UX3RTO00A That is a CCA rating and greater capacity than the oem Douglas Battery (which I think is/was around 750 CCA), assuming it can truly meet it's rating. (many companies cheat, and cannot meet their listed ratings)

The East Penn battery at 900 CCA is the highest rated battery in a group size 49 I have been able to find readily availble. I have been able to confirm the rating on the East Penn using my digital battery load tester http://www.griotsgarage.com/product/...stem+tester.do Even after four years of use, it tests at over 900 CCA.
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Old 10-04-2010, 07:28 PM
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Douglas = DBMC yes?
Not sure of your abreviations...but this is their website:
http://www.douglasbattery.com/

Again, they sold their consumer battery line to East Penn, they only make industrial batteries now.
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Old 10-04-2010, 07:42 PM
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used / re-conditioned = $35.00

Typically will outlast your car.

Interstate "Blem" (blemished) $45.00

Batteries are a scam.
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I agree. They're a scam from the marketing and pricing perspective. Most batteries are 95% identical.


I run a battery from pep boys. 1100 cca and power to spare. Makes no difference as to the brand really. Theyre all made in the same plant or plants.
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Just had the same problem yesterday with a 2001 E39 525i, 5 year old battery died.
Read all the forums then went to Walmart, it was close, on Sunday and we were in a big hurry. I expected to pay 129 to 200 as quoted. Found they had the exact 49DL in Stock, had a Sept 2010 build date, 850 cca, and was the exact size and shape as my factory battery. Even had a new vent tube extension included in a plastic bag attached to the battery. The best part, $ 83.00 out the door with 3 year free replacement guarantee nationwide!! Hard to beat.
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Old 10-05-2010, 06:24 AM
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PepBoys appears to have a 850 CCA Bosch Battery for the E39:

Part Number 49-850B
Group Size 49
Description Bosch S5 (Pep Boys)
CCA @ 0F 850
Ca @ 32F 1000
RC min @ 25A 120
Length in Inches 14
Width in Inches 6-7/8
Height in Inches 7-7/16
SKU# 9073755
UPC# 02885155845 7

$99.99 + $5 Core
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I agree. They're a scam from the marketing and pricing perspective. Most batteries are 95% identical.


I run a battery from pep boys. 1100 cca and power to spare. Makes no difference as to the brand really. Theyre all made in the same plant or plants.
This is NOT true, and you would know so, if you subscribed to Consumer Reports. There are about at least 4 or 5 battery manufacturers. Within them, they produce most all the various brands under various "private label" names. Each brand will specify what performance they want, so within one group size, you will see various CCA ratings. They are NOT all the same, as each manufacturer will typically produce a battery specific to "northern" climates, and one for "southern" climates. Within that, there are two prevailing types, wet cell (standard) type batteries, and AGM (absorbed glass mat). The AGM types will last significantly longer and have much better performance than wet cell types. The only manufacturer of an AGM for a BMW is made by East Penn.
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I agree. They're a scam from the marketing and pricing perspective. Most batteries are 95% identical.


I run a battery from pep boys. 1100 cca and power to spare. Makes no difference as to the brand really. Theyre all made in the same plant or plants.
There is no 1100CCA rated consumer battery for a BMW, or any car that I am aware of. Please post a photo, or in the alternative a model number and brand of this battery you claim.
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There is no 1100CCA rated consumer battery for a BMW, or any car that I am aware of. Please post a photo, or in the alternative a model number and brand of this battery you claim.



Thats EXACTLY what my OEM battery had on it. 1100CCA. I was surprised myself but that's what it says. The replacement from Pepboys was dead on with the specs required.
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This is NOT true, and you would know so, if you subscribed to Consumer Reports. There are about at least 4 or 5 battery manufacturers. Within them, they produce most all the various brands under various "private label" names. Each brand will specify what performance they want, so within one group size, you will see various CCA ratings. They are NOT all the same, as each manufacturer will typically produce a battery specific to "northern" climates, and one for "southern" climates. Within that, there are two prevailing types, wet cell (standard) type batteries, and AGM (absorbed glass mat). The AGM types will last significantly longer and have much better performance than wet cell types. The only manufacturer of an AGM for a BMW is made by East Penn.

Yeah i pretty much figured it to be like you described. Aside from batteries adapted for north and south climates, they are all about essentially the same performance wise.


Im sure if you want to get into the upper margin of battery performance there is a spread in how well any type including a gel battery will perform.

But in essence. It does not matter which battery brand you choose. If it's within spec or above it will work.
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PepBoys appears to have a 850 CCA Bosch Battery for the E39:

Part Number 49-850B
Group Size 49
Description Bosch S5 (Pep Boys)
CCA @ 0F 850
Ca @ 32F 1000
RC min @ 25A 120
Length in Inches 14
Width in Inches 6-7/8
Height in Inches 7-7/16
SKU# 9073755
UPC# 02885155845 7

$99.99 + $5 Core

Go for it. Perfect. My pep boys brand or whatever ren me about 120.00.
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do it right the first time and put the largest duel terminal interstate you can fit in there... you will never have a problem again,
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do it right the first time and put the largest duel terminal interstate you can fit in there... you will never have a problem again,

Don't most have dual terminals? A set of side screw in type AND the standard pegs?
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But in essence. It does not matter which battery brand you choose. If it's within spec or above it will work.
And THAT is the crux of the problem....often times the battery will NOT meet the spec printed on the battery! That is why Consumer Report tests several samples of each size to determine the best one. Unfortunately, they do not test the Group 49 used in our E39's, but you can get a general idea from checking the other various sizes. But even that is not perfect, since some brands scored very high in some sizes, and were at the bottom in others.

A manufacturer can claim whatever they want and print it on the battery....no telling if it is true or not.
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The MAXX battery from WalMart was tested in a group 48, which is very close to ours and it tested as "very good"....not "excellent", but not bad so I would definitely consider the MAXX.
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do it right the first time and put the largest duel terminal interstate you can fit in there... you will never have a problem again,
NO, wrong solution, and unsafe. Most dual terminal batteries will be too tall or too deep and are not vented. The E39 battery is a very specific size group 49 and must be vented since it resides in the trunk and the gases could get to the passenger compartment if not properly vented. It would be very unwise to deviate from the specified size as you will end up with a battery that is under capacity, and likely the top bracket will not fit properly as well.
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The MAXX battery from WalMart was tested in a group 48, which is very close to ours and it tested as "very good"....not "excellent", but not bad so I would definitely consider the MAXX.
It was very convenient, cheaper and the way I drive ( ~8k/yr, no winters) it should last me a while. Def starts up better tho, the old one was shot (:
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Where is Bluebee's chart of every available group 49 battery, complete with all specifications, sources and prices?
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Just visited a Knecht's outlet here. They had a group-49 battery for sale under their name, for $62.99. I believe CCA was at 850 amp. Thing is, other than being black, it looks identical to the BMW batteries in design. Same dual tote handles, same "eye" charge indicator....

That's about the least expensive I've seen for a new battery that fits these cars.
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They had a group-49 battery for sale under their name, for $62.99.
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