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Old 10-04-2010, 04:05 PM
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Alpina B7 vs 760

Stupid Question maybe, but what's the difference between the Alpina and 760Li?

I was assuming the 760 was faster because of its 6.0-liter, V12, 438-horsepower engine.

But the Alpina costs significantly more and may even be faster than the V12??
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Old 10-04-2010, 04:39 PM
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Alpina B7 has a 500-hp, ALPINA-tuned twin-turbocharged 4.4-liter V-8.
Alpina is a German BMW tuner I believe and only a limited number are available per model year.

Guys/gals correct me if I've mis-stated.
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Old 10-04-2010, 04:39 PM
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A E65 B7 is faster than an E66 760Li. (Can depend on the driver...)

The new F01 B7 will be faster than the new F02 760Li (much less of a difference than the E65/6 versions though)
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Old 10-04-2010, 05:11 PM
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Alpina B7 has a 500-hp, ALPINA-tuned twin-turbocharged 4.4-liter V-8.
Alpina is a German BMW tuner I believe and only a limited number are available per model year.

Guys/gals correct me if I've mis-stated.
The E65 B7 is a supercharged V8. The current F01 B7 is a twin turbo V8.
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Old 10-04-2010, 05:15 PM
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A E65 B7 is faster than an E66 760Li. (Can depend on the driver...)

The new F01 B7 will be faster than the new F02 760Li (much less of a difference than the E65/6 versions though)
the new F01/02 760Li is FASTER than the F01/02 B7
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Old 10-04-2010, 05:55 PM
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+1, the F01/2 760 is FASTER than the B7. the V12 kicks in.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php...MW_760i&page=1
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Old 10-04-2010, 09:07 PM
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the E65 Alpina is faster because it weighs less and has slightly more power than the 760Li and the 760i. However the trade off is that you don't get that V12 growl, the extra legroom and the other standard features!
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Old 10-05-2010, 11:55 AM
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I think that we are mixing the B7's in these discussions guys. The older (E65) B7 would compete directly with the E65 760i (note the SWB) and that Alpina IS quicker partially due to it being lighter. In addition, the E65 Alpina also has stiffer suspension than the 760i did not have so it also corners better than that model.

That all changes with the newer F01/F02 series due to BMW now including the twin turbo on the newer models thereby usurping the B7's prior dominance.
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Hmm, looks likes I need to add the F02 760Li to my xmas list then

What are the 0-60s on the F01 B7 and the F02 760Li then?
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Old 10-07-2010, 10:39 AM
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Hmm, looks likes I need to add the F02 760Li to my xmas list then

What are the 0-60s on the F01 B7 and the F02 760Li then?
Here they are:
http://lmgtfy.com/
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Old 10-07-2010, 05:31 PM
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If you are looking for 0 to 60 fast sedan, I wouldn't go with either one. I'd go with a m5, or even a Cadillac v. If you are looking for one of the best cars made for the price, that is fast and handles well for its size, get a 760. The only concern with a used B7 is chances are pretty good the previous owner bought the car also looking for a fast 0 to 60 car.
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Old 10-14-2010, 12:56 PM
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well, this is exactly my dilemma right now! I'm POSITIVE i want to stay in the E65 camp (as the F01/2 is WAY more than I want to pay for a vehicle at this stage), but I'm flip-flopping on B7 or 760i/L. I'm also fighting the urge of the swb vs lwb because I've heard that it makes the car so much more nimble. I don't really see how 6" can make that big of a difference, but I am intrigued. Both are pretty exclusive, which I like, both are fast and is very nimble for it's size, so that's a push, but it's other 'luxury' items that I need answers to like:

1-does either have the double pane like my 750 does (trust me, it makes a difference)?
2-how easy/hard is the ipod/iphone connectivity (really big deal to me!)?
3-heated steering (don't knock it until you've had it)?
4-comfort/convenience package: does both have these packages as options? The keyless go and soft close would be nice features.

I haven't driven either as of yet so I'll be venturing out soon to do that, but since they are pretty rare that may be an exercise in itself. I've read some good things here...hopefully you guys/gals can keep it going.

Oh, and I'm almost positive that I'm going to get flamed for this, but I'm scared to go drive that Hyundai Equus because from just the numbers and pictures, that looks like a damn nice car!
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Old 10-14-2010, 02:14 PM
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well, this is exactly my dilemma right now! I'm POSITIVE i want to stay in the E65 camp (as the F01/2 is WAY more than I want to pay for a vehicle at this stage), but I'm flip-flopping on B7 or 760i/L. I'm also fighting the urge of the swb vs lwb because I've heard that it makes the car so much more nimble. I don't really see how 6" can make that big of a difference, but I am intrigued. Both are pretty exclusive, which I like, both are fast and is very nimble for it's size, so that's a push, but it's other 'luxury' items that I need answers to like:

1-does either have the double pane like my 750 does (trust me, it makes a difference)?
2-how easy/hard is the ipod/iphone connectivity (really big deal to me!)?
3-heated steering (don't knock it until you've had it)?
4-comfort/convenience package: does both have these packages as options? The keyless go and soft close would be nice features.

I haven't driven either as of yet so I'll be venturing out soon to do that, but since they are pretty rare that may be an exercise in itself. I've read some good things here...hopefully you guys/gals can keep it going.

Oh, and I'm almost positive that I'm going to get flamed for this, but I'm scared to go drive that Hyundai Equus because from just the numbers and pictures, that looks like a damn nice car!
I believe the double pane glass was discontinued after the 2001 750 and has not returned since then.
All B7 and 2007-up 760 has a aux port to plug an ipod in. If this is not enough there are a few aftermarket options available, do a search on here and you will find a list.
Heated steering wheel is standard on all 760 but I am not sure on the B7 but I would assume so.
comfort/convenience package, the keyless go and soft close are also standard on the 760 and I think on the B7 also.

Plese note I am using a 2007-up 760 as a comparison since the B7 did not come to the US until 2007

Hyundai does not compare to a 7 and I will not say anymore

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Hyundai does not compare to a 7 and I will not say anymore
No it doesnt but it is sure is a lot of car for the money.
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How do u go from a b7 to hyundai?? Each dealer gets one b7 much cooler then 760

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Old 10-14-2010, 03:46 PM
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thanks a lot for the insight guy...great info!
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I believe the double pane glass was discontinued after the 2001 750 and has not returned since then.
All B7 and 2007-up 760 has a aux port to plug an ipod in. If this is not enough there are a few aftermarket options available, do a search on here and you will find a list.
Heated steering wheel is standard on all 760 but I am not sure on the B7 but I would assume so.
comfort/convenience package, the keyless go and soft close are also standard on the 760 and I think on the B7 also.

Plese note I am using a 2007-up 760 as a comparison since the B7 did not come to the US until 2007

Hyundai does not compare to a 7 and I will not say anymore
that's a bummer about the double pane...really like that in my car

that will be fine if i can control everything from idrive. is that the case? if not, i would need to go aftermarket...not a problem, but i would think by now BMW would have that functionality built in. actually, reading roundel yesterday and that may be the case soon if not already

awwww, heated steering wheel! +1 for 760i

i'll have to check on the options for b7, but of course i would have to find one with all the options i want too...or get a 760i. my choice is starting to become clear...

i still would like to at least see the Equus. I did the same thing with the Genesis as well. it's a nice car, it's NOT a BMW! The finishes weren't there, but the Genesis is not the flagship like the Equus is.
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i just said it's a nice car judging strictly by the online appearance and the numbers. that's the other side of the b7 that i really like...exclusivity. i hate seeing a lot of my car on the road and i've seen 1, maybe 2 b7's on the road....i really like that. especially if i get the alpina blue (between blue and grey/silver)
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You can buy a 30's miles '07 B7 TODAY for $43K.
EVERY B7 is pretty much loaded as they all came with almost every option.

Major difference:
760's ride likes butter
B7's corner like a race car.
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You can buy a 30's miles '07 B7 TODAY for $43K.
EVERY B7 is pretty much loaded as they all came with almost every option.

Major difference:
760's ride likes butter
B7's corner like a race car.
Is the difference worth the money? B7 costs significantly more than the 760
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You can buy a 30's miles '07 B7 TODAY for $43K.
EVERY B7 is pretty much loaded as they all came with almost every option.

Major difference:
760's ride likes butter
B7's corner like a race car.
where and what color combo? i think it's going to come down to just driving it. i'm thinking if the 760i corners "good enough" for me, i will do probably go for the 760, but if i'm not losing anything far is features, i think it will be the B7

thanks for commenting though...all of the advice is helping me
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Is the difference worth the money? B7 costs significantly more than the 760
if it rides just the way i want it too...yes!
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I believe the double pane glass was discontinued after the 2001 750 and has not returned since then.
This is not entirely true. My 760Li has the double pane windows.

If you're looking for a luxury car that is pretty fast for it's size it would be the 760Li. If you need speed I would have to agree with DrewT55 and suggest the M5 which is a beast...
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where and what color combo? i think it's going to come down to just driving it.
One is in Illinois and the other is in Atlanta. Both are black on black but the actual car doesn't really matter here. What matters is KNOWING that you can buy the '07 B7 for those prices. Then all you have to do is search for the one you want and then negotiate it down to a similar price point using this knowledge as leverage to influence the seller of the car you have selected. Of course, they don't HAVE to reduce their sales price to those levels, but it is possible
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This is not entirely true. My 760Li has the double pane windows.

If you're looking for a luxury car that is pretty fast for it's size it would be the 760Li. If you need speed I would have to agree with DrewT55 and suggest the M5 which is a beast...
Double Pane windows? All 7 series have the metallic tint in the windshield (aka comfort glass) to help reduce the heat in the car. The side windows and rear windows do not have these.

The 760 is a car that comes standard with everything! I suggest you check one out in person and see the options list. As well I suggest you test drive both and see what you like better.

I may have said this before, but if you anticipate keeping the car for a while, just remember most warranty companies won't warranty the car, very few will. The 760 has slightly more wiggle room with warranties, but they are expensive as well.
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This is not entirely true. My 760Li has the double pane windows.

If you're looking for a luxury car that is pretty fast for it's size it would be the 760Li. If you need speed I would have to agree with DrewT55 and suggest the M5 which is a beast...

Having owned both the M5 and currently the B7, I'd vote for the B7 all day! The M5 hype faded quickly on me with its jarring ride and clunky SMG transmission. Not to mention the tiny gas tank with consistent single digit gas mileage in city driving mode. The 400HP mode felt sluggish and the M mode was too twitchy in traffic. The B7 is the perfect blend of luxury, performance and understated elegance, hit the gas and the massive torque is just too addictive.....but like everyone else stated here, drive them all if you can and go with whatever your heart desires...I did and I am finally at peace with my purchase decision. Well, at least until I see the new M5 or the F02 B7 in person....lol.
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