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E36 M3 (1995-1999)

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Old 10-08-2010, 05:20 PM
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New Camaro V6 Vs. E36M

I thought Iíd share with fellow E36M owners an interesting match I had with a new Camaro V6 while in my 97 E36M.

Late one evening with very few cars on the road, I was driving aggressively as usual when I noticed a new (2010) Camaro following. We came to the last traffic light separating us from the entrance of the highway which is a long, flat, ĺ mile straight, 3 lanes in each direction. He pulled up along side at the red. I saw what looked to be a stock Camaro with the black base wheels and no passengers. My M is all stock including wheels except for Shark software and Euro M3 cold air duct to the stock air box.

I assumed this would be an easy showdown, so I wasnít too concern. I stayed about Ĺ car length behind to defuse the intensity and to save myself the embarrassment should something happen. I didnít think I needed to launch hard and I had my son in the back.

When the light turned yellow for cross traffic, I could hear him rev it up, so I knew he was going to take off like a bat and this caught me off guard. This guy really wanted to dust me! Before I could react the light turned green so the best I could do was drop the clutch at about 2500 RPM which only chirped the tires. The other guy does a text book perfect drag launch which sends him another car length ahead of me. Iím 1.5 car lengths behind at this point.

To my surprise I got through first gear, making no ground at all, shifting at about 6200 RPM. At the top of second gear I sensed an edge, but I still didnít make much of any ground on him. It wasnít until north of 5900 in third before I started to catch up. I could hear him shifting slightly soon than I since he had a 6-spd. By the time I shifted into forth at 6500 RPM, I was at his rear bumper. I realized that I had pretty much lost the ľ by that time, but I wasnít going to give up. He shifted into fifth when I was at around 5900, and thatís when I blew by him at about 5+ MPH faster, to his amazement. I shifted into fifth and kept pouring it on for another 5 seconds or so before noticing that he was way back, respecting. I let off and cruised at a sane speed as he blew by at about 120 MPH.

Wow those cars are faster than I thought even though I had read of their specs! Now thatís bang for the buck at about $23K. Watch out for those pesky cars! They are in rental fleets as well, though most of those are Automatic and potentially detuned/traction control mandatory.

Iím pretty sure I could have taken him to the ľ mile if I had been lined up evenly with him and made an aggressive launch, especially if I didnít have any passengers. I think his small base wheels maximized the acceleration potential of his Camaro as well, but Iím not discounting how fast those cars are, in a straight line at least. Not sure how well they corner but Iím up pretty sure their porky curb weight will leave them in my dust. Anyone compare E36M lap times to a Camaro V6?

Anyone know the approximate speed of the E36M at the top of 3rd and 4th gears?

(Moderator, if this thread belongs in a different forum, kindly move it. I thought only E36M owners would be interested in this close race and I asked E36M specific questions.)
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Old 10-08-2010, 08:41 PM
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Those bad girls are definately something not to scoff at since they are pushing around 300hp. Pretty sure though, as you said, they would be no match in the twisties because of their heavy weight status.
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Old 10-10-2010, 05:49 PM
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Tyre:- 225/45x 17
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Top Gear gives 21.641 MPH/1000 RPM and a top speed of 140.667 MPH at 6500 RPM

Engine speeds in top gear:-
30 MPH = 1386 RPM 40 MPH = 1848 RPM 50 MPH = 2310 RPM 60 MPH = 2773 RPM
70 MPH = 3235 RPM 80 MPH = 3697 RPM 90 MPH = 4159 RPM 100 MPH = 4621 RPM

Top Speed in 1 gear = 33.492 MPH
And changes into 2 gear at 3854 RPM dropping 2646 RPM
Top Speed in 2 gear = 56.493 MPH
And changes into 3 gear at 4333 RPM dropping 2167 RPM
Top Speed in 3 gear = 84.739 MPH
And changes into 4 gear at 4855 RPM dropping 1645 RPM
Top Speed in 4 gear = 113.441 MPH
And changes into 5 gear at 5242 RPM dropping 1258 RPM
Top Speed in 5 gear = 140.667 MPH


I used the Quaife free speed calculator
http://www.quaife.co.uk/
It's on the right side of the screen under the "find out more" board

I raced a brand new Camaro SS in my all stock e36 M3 and I got beat, but not too bad. I hung on his tail through third. I think it was modded too. It had straight pipes. Sooooo Loud.
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Old 10-10-2010, 06:59 PM
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Ur going 120 mph with your child in the rear seat?

ffs... whats wrong with you?
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Old 10-12-2010, 12:14 AM
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Ur going 120 mph with your child in the rear seat?

ffs... whats wrong with you?

+99 why would you ever do that
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Old 10-12-2010, 10:41 AM
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[QUOTE=Jrcanes55;5534309]Tyre:- 225/45x 17
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Top Gear gives 21.641 MPH/1000 RPM and a top speed of 140.667 MPH at 6500 RPM

Engine speeds in top gear:-
30 MPH = 1386 RPM 40 MPH = 1848 RPM 50 MPH = 2310 RPM 60 MPH = 2773 RPM
70 MPH = 3235 RPM 80 MPH = 3697 RPM 90 MPH = 4159 RPM 100 MPH = 4621 RPM

Top Speed in 1 gear = 33.492 MPH
And changes into 2 gear at 3854 RPM dropping 2646 RPM
Top Speed in 2 gear = 56.493 MPH
And changes into 3 gear at 4333 RPM dropping 2167 RPM
Top Speed in 3 gear = 84.739 MPH
And changes into 4 gear at 4855 RPM dropping 1645 RPM
Top Speed in 4 gear = 113.441 MPH
And changes into 5 gear at 5242 RPM dropping 1258 RPM
Top Speed in 5 gear = 140.667 MPH

Are you sure those numbers are right for the a 3.2L? 3235 RPM seems slow for 70 MPH.
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Old 10-12-2010, 03:19 PM
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I think it's a bit off because a de-limited m3 will do 156. there were a couple of boxes for info i didn't fill out so that could have skewed the results a bit.
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Old 10-18-2010, 01:47 AM
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Ur going 120 mph with your child in the rear seat?

ffs... whats wrong with you?
THANK YOU. I read that in the post and couldn't believe what I was reading.

Please go buy something slow and safe for you're child's sake.

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Old 11-22-2010, 08:31 PM
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The other guy in the camaro was going 120 not him :P
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I let off and cruised at a sane speed as he blew by at about 120 MPH.

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Old 11-23-2010, 11:25 PM
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U cant post race stories on bimmerfest..well at least i cant..im probably going to get an infraction for being on here
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Old 11-23-2010, 11:30 PM
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Haha...... yeahhhhh Same here
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Old 11-25-2010, 03:15 PM
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The other guy in the camaro was going 120 not him :P
I don't consider 119 a sane speed with a child in the rear seat. Maybe he wasn't going 120, but I guarantee he wasn't doing a reasonable 80 either. Shifting almost at redline in fourth, and "pouring it on" in 5th for another five seconds is wellll above 100. This whole thread is so retardedly retarded, I wish we had a moderator here to get rid of this sh!t..
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Old 12-19-2010, 06:35 PM
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THANK YOU. I read that in the post and couldn't believe what I was reading.

Please go buy something slow and safe for you're child's sake.

PS: Bimmerfest is not the place to post race stories.
Well said! The child did not even have a choice to risk his life in a dumb street race!
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Old 12-20-2010, 02:10 PM
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This site needs some better moderating..
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Old 12-23-2010, 10:57 AM
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Very irresponsible. Don't street race with a child in the back seat. He'd be much safer in the trunk.

Seriously though, don't risk his safety. Sometimes I question why I drive spiritedly alone, when in worse case scenario my daughter could lose her father...
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Old 12-25-2010, 03:27 PM
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Very irresponsible. Don't street race with a child in the back seat. He'd be much safer in the trunk.

Seriously though, don't risk his safety. Sometimes I question why I drive spiritedly alone, when in worse case scenario my daughter could lose her father...
Yup having 3 little girls now I don't race on the road hardly anymore! plus I am 31, I know better then that! LOL!
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