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X3 F25 (2011 - current)
The latest X3 brings some added style and some new features to the BMW SUV family. Talk about the new F25 now!

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Old 10-29-2010, 10:27 AM
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BMW abandoning 'sport' in USA

I see a pattern where BMW in the USA is moving away from the sport aspect that attracted me to BMWs in the first place. I'm disappointed.

BMW differentiated itself in the market with an emphasis on sport. The legendary 2002 practically defined the 'sport sedan.' Horsepower took a hit in the early years of emissions control etc., but BMW kept the flame alive in other aspects of vehicle dynamics.

I fear that what has happened is that some customers buy BMWs as a luxury car, and then are disappointed when the ride isn't cushy or the brakes squeal or whatever. So BMW de-sports the cars for the US market.

The specific indications that I have noticed:
-- Traditional sport suspensions no longer available in the USA for the E70 X5, the F10 5er and now the F25 X3. These are all available in Europe and the cost is far less than the electronic/adjustable variants that are the only choice for US buyers interested in suspension upgrades. Americans wanting to buy a sporty X3 and keep it for a good long while might want to think about the long-term reliability/service implications of an expensive electronically-adjustable suspension years from new...
-- The sport packages long offered to US buyers have given way to sports activity packages for the 5er, X5 and X3. The X3 ZAP is a particularly good example of a sport package without most of the sport: The package consists of sport steering wheel and sport seats (great!) and a bunch of satin aluminum trim. Wha? I suspect that in time we will see an M sport package that moves the needle a bit further to the sport side, but I doubt it will include a traditional sport suspesnion in the US market. And it will be thousands more expensive.
-- While the F25 will be offered with sport seats, higher lines are no longer offering or are de-empahsizing sport seats. In the F10 5er, the sport package includes "anti-sport seats"! The multicountour seat offered in the X5 and 5er is called "Komfortsitze" in German; any guess as to what "Komfort" translates to? In fairness, the multicontour is a very nice seat with lots of adjustments, but the pattern is a bit like the suspension issue: The US customer is denied the option of the straightforward/simple/lower-cost version.

I've eagerly awaited information about the coming F25, but find myself less than thrilled and thinking hard about replacing my E83 X3 with a 328iT with M sport package. Which of course is a choice that apparently is also going away as BMW abandons the US wagon market.

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Old 10-29-2010, 10:30 AM
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Larry,

I believe the configurator has a sports suspension option. It is separate to the sports appearance package.

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The Sport Suspension (SA 226) is not available in the US. One gets the choice between standard suspension and the Dynamic Dampfer Control (SA 223).

Like I mentioned in another thread, BMW NA gets a lot of feedback from dealers who order inventory. It is in the dealer's interest to keep configurations simple so they don't have to rack their brains to order inventory, and reduce the risk of unsold cars on the lot.

The North American market is what it is. Years ago I wished that BMW would loosen up its packaging and options. They've gotten much better the last few years, and the X3's packaging and choices are better than most (X5 is a terrible example). The US market will never and can never be as fully flexible as Europe because the buying process is different, and so are the market demands.

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Old 10-29-2010, 10:14 PM
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I believe the configurator has a sports suspension option. It is separate to the sports appearance package.
You are correct, Stuart, but it is the fancy electronic variable suspension. The plain Jane variant is missing from the US version.
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What is truly sporty about an SUV anyway? BMW is producing what will sell in a given region. Those truly interested in a 'sporty' vehicle will most likely look outside of the SUV segment.
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What seems to be happening is that BMW is finally (!) responding to the terrible infrastructure problems in the US. ZSP equipped cars suffer bent wheels and suspension damage much too frequently. BMW has tried disclaimers in its literature, but nobody knows how to read here, either.
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I would add lack of manual transmission to the bitching list.
X3 becomes very main-stream, very socker-mom. As nice as it is, there is no distinction from any other brands. But they will be on every corner in a couple years.
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I would add lack of manual transmission to the bitching list.
X3 becomes very main-stream, very socker-mom. As nice as it is, there is no distinction from any other brands. But they will be on every corner in a couple years.

I have to agree with you!!
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Not sure a manual transmission belongs in a US market SUV anyway (or sports suspension). SUVs are basically family station wagons. Its a shame really station wagons don't sell here. The 328 wagon is the last BMW wagon but it is a bit too small for a family car (and will be gone in a couple of years anyway). OTOH the SAVs are more station wagon than most SUVs.
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Not sure a manual transmission belongs in a US market SUV anyway (or sports suspension). SUVs are basically family station wagons. Its a shame really station wagons don't sell here. The 328 wagon is the last BMW wagon but it is a bit too small for a family car (and will be gone in a couple of years anyway). OTOH the SAVs are more station wagon than most SUVs.
Hey watch your language. SAVs have been called many things. The X3 has been called ugly, has been said to have a cheap materials and a harsh ride and we take it all in stride. There is no need however to use that type of language. My mother used the "sw" word but I figured she is set in her ways. On a message board, we can be more civil though.
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I would add lack of manual transmission to the bitching list.
X3 becomes very main-stream, very socker-mom. As nice as it is, there is no distinction from any other brands. But they will be on every corner in a couple years.

They already are. I cannot go out of the house without seeing at least one.

Oftentimes there is a parade of X3s and X5s on the street and parking lots end up looking like dealerships. Ditto the RX.

This is what makes it hard to buy a car these days. Too few distinctive choices.
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They already are. I cannot go out of the house without seeing at least one.

Oftentimes there is a parade of X3s and X5s on the street and parking lots end up looking like dealerships. Ditto the RX.

This is what makes it hard to buy a car these days. Too few distinctive choices.
It's all because of the lease deals. When you offer leasing at 4 hundred something per month for an X3, that will happen. I wish they would only allow lease in one color...lol say black...then if you see another color, it will be distinctive.

The popularity of the car has nothing to do with it not being distinctive. I think it is pretty cool. Cool enough anyway...and they don't need to raise the price to make it less unique on the road. BMW actually wants to sell more. The issue is not offering such a nice lease deal.

That's my opinion...it might be unpopular but you can't have it both ways ...exclusivity and low lease prices...you just can't.
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When I look back to when I was a broke professional student and was paying $329 per month for a Toyota Carolla, I wish I had thought to lease a BMW instead. A 328i is only $439. The idea of owning something is iffy with cheap cars. After 8 years the value was something like $3,500 and I'm sure dealers would have offered something like 2K. So what value was gained by purchasing? It felt good owning my own car but right now that car is in another country...lol Yes...I'd rather give it away to a relative than be taken by giving it in for trade in. So at the end of a couple of leases, I would have had nothing and at the end of ownership, I had almost nothing. The difference is I could have driven is a nice BMW for all those years for just $100 more (plus trading it in for a brand new one each 3 years).
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They already are. I cannot go out of the house without seeing at least one.

Oftentimes there is a parade of X3s and X5s on the street and parking lots end up looking like dealerships. Ditto the RX.

This is what makes it hard to buy a car these days. Too few distinctive choices.
Outgoing X3 is more unique here. X5s-yes, they are everywhere.
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Outgoing X3 is more unique here. X5s-yes, they are everywhere.
Same here, a lot more X5 then X3.
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Outgoing X3 is more unique here. X5s-yes, they are everywhere.
Around here too. On the highway I'll run into them but usually when you hit a parking lot, they are not everywhere. BMW should have added 2 new colors. The 7 series has plenty of colors so they are capable. Even if they are more expensive, I don't think people would have a problem with a one time extra fee to get a unique color (that's not that red, girly sky blue or brownish...all 3 colors they know won't sell). The other thing to help is to keep the lease deals at $500 of more. For some, seeing a "5" is enough to scare them away...but then again, BMW is looking to sell more cars...not become more exclusive. I wish they just would have protected 1 color. They should have made the new Mineral Silver "buy only". Or maybe the wheels of the lease cars should have the European look (307) while the buy should have the American (308) uniqueness. IDK
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I guess if you add a rear entertainment system, that might make it more unique. I wonder of leasing people would let you do that since it is sort of like altering the vehicle...though ti is officially done...who knows? Like I said...keep Lease at $500 or more for prestige.
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X5 is the football mom's car (in the US, "soccer"). Everywhere, mostly in shades of gray and black.
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Same here, a lot more X5 then X3.
Probaby because the X5 is a great family wagon replacement, the old X3 not so much.
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I don't even see the option to upgrade wheels and tires in the X3. Obviously, you could do it on your own, but at least in the past BMW took the mystery out of it by coming up with a tire and suspension package that worked well (pre run-flat that is).
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X5 is the football mom's car (in the US, "soccer"). Everywhere, mostly in shades of gray and black.
They would be smart to usually have a guy driving in the comercials.

Women killed the Rav 4. Hopefully they don't do the same to the X3...lol The designers said they were going for a "masculine" look.

It's all good though. Women can't ruin the X5. That car is a legend. Atheletes and movie stars of all genders still love their X5.

It is never women driving that ruins a car's image. It is always the case of insecure guys that ruin the image because they don't want to be driving a "chick car" or "soccer mom's car".

I think as long as you don't get ther red or sky blue one, we'll be OK...lol.
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They would be smart to usually have a guy driving in the comercials.

Women killed the Rav 4. Hopefully they don't do the same to the X3...lol The designers said they were going for a "masculine" look.

It's all good though. Women can't ruin the X5. That car is a legend. Atheletes and movie stars of all genders still love their X5.

It is never women driving that ruins a car's image. It is always the case of insecure guys that ruin the image because they don't want to be driving a "chick car" or "soccer mom's car".

I think as long as you don't get ther red or sky blue one, we'll be OK...lol.
Hey, I think Blue Water Metallic is a great looking colour. (Especially on the 3er)
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Most of the athletes and movie stars around here drive Esclades or Black Range Rovers for SUV's and Lambos and other exotic hardware for "daily drivers". The X5's seem to be taken over by Soccer Moms and ladies on their way to the spa.
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Hey, I think Blue Water Metallic is a great looking colour. (Especially on the 3er)
I can't tell if you are serious about the sky blue or whether you are using dry humor. When you say great looking, you don't mean for a guy right? lol I'm sure most guys agree with me and that's why BMW added it to their "exclusive" list? Why...because they probably noticed nobody was buying them from the lots so why have them sit there and collect dust...so now...if you want those colors (lipstick red, sky blue, brown) you have to "special order"...lol. They really think we are retarded. If they wanted to have the exclusive mean something, they would have put their new color "Metalic Silver" as an exclusive or picked a popular color like black. Now that would be gutsy...but they might lose money if they fail to have 70% order. Black is black but since there is already Titanium Silver out there, they could have afforded to make the Metalic Silver exclusive. It should have been "non-lease, special order".


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Most of the athletes and movie stars around here drive Esclades or Black Range Rovers for SUV's and Lambos and other exotic hardware for "daily drivers". The X5's seem to be taken over by Soccer Moms and ladies on their way to the spa.
You would know because you are there but on these TV shows they do show quite a bit of X5s. Just the other day I saw Bret Farve driving an X5. On those shows (that I can't stand) those rich girls were getting X5s. It seems like it's still in. I know Escalades are there too. It is the most stolen in the US I hear. Cadillac came up with one gem. Some of their cars look cooler now but that "American" thing turns me off...lol The Mustang, Corvette and Escalade are probably the only cool American cars.

Are people still driving Lamborghinis? I haven't heard of that car since the early 90's (maybe late 80s). lol

Range Rovers are hot but too expensive (for humans...lol). A colleague of mine spent like 113K on one (back in '05). To me that is crazy because I bet as he is finishing it now, he probably doesn't want it and I bet the trade in in like 35K. lol By the way, who knows how much it really was after financing? Maybe 130K? LOL

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