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Old 07-21-2014, 08:04 PM
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OT - BMW 535 or Audi A6?

My wife wants to trade in her 10 year old Volvo S80 T6 (a nice car still, but dated), and wants either a 5 or an A6. I don't know the Audi A6 designation off the top of my head, but we'd get the one with the V6. The Audis, I believe, only come with 1 year of maintenance, with 4 for the BMW, which is big in my book. However, the list is about $6K less on a comparably equipped Audi, which can buy a lot of maintenance.

Does anyone have experience with the A6 and would care to give an opinion?
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That's a tough choice. I considered Audi when mine was giving me headaches earlier this year.

All things considered, I'd go with the Audi.


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Old 07-22-2014, 12:28 AM
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I'd go with the 535i. The A6 doesn't excite me at all as it's very bland. The current generation 5-series is one of BMW's most gorgeous designed models, especially with the M-sport package.
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There's literally tons of discussion regarding the A6 on the F10 Forum...a lot of it useful and informative. As between the two, I would not hesitate selecting the 535i because of its spirited driving characteristics. I've owned many Audis and really have nothing but good things to say about them. About a year ago, I was given a `13 A6 loaner while my P4S was in the shop. I was not impressed with that A6. The A6 was solid, luxurious, and rather soulless. I felt like I was driving a living room rather than an executive sport sedan. In addition to giving a sportier drive and ride, the 535i drives a lot smaller than it is while everything about the A6 seems big to me.
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Old 07-22-2014, 05:01 AM
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I appreciate the comments from all. The one from Leslierc about the 535 feeling smaller and the A6 bigger was particularly useful. My wife wants a car about the size of her Volvo, but definitely not bigger. She'll be going for test drives in the next several weeks before she makes her choice.

Since I have no experience with the Audis and have had two 750s, the one thing I hope it has for her is the 'send to car' feature from Google maps. She doesn't drive far, but she goes to new places often.
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Old 07-22-2014, 05:35 AM
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OK, my response will be somewhat off topic. But, depending on her driving characteristic, I would put Lexus ES350 on the list of test drives.
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Old 07-22-2014, 05:42 AM
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Thanks kimg, we hadn't considered that. The BMW/Audi/Mercedes/Lexus are all clustered together not too far from our house. We'll probably swing in there during our tests.
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Thanks kimg, we hadn't considered that. The BMW/Audi/Mercedes/Lexus are all clustered together not too far from our house. We'll probably swing in there during our tests.
That's a good mix from which to decide.
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The new Jags should also be a consideration. A friend recently picked one up and I was impressed.


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Old 07-22-2014, 06:25 AM
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The new Jags should also be a consideration. A friend recently picked one up and I was impressed.
Well, the jag dealer is next to the Audi dealer. My general opinion of jags from people I know that have owned them is that they start out nice, but can't go the distance.
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Old 07-22-2014, 06:30 AM
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My wife wants to trade in her 10 year old Volvo S80 T6 (a nice car still, but dated), and wants either a 5 or an A6. I don't know the Audi A6 designation off the top of my head, but we'd get the one with the V6. The Audis, I believe, only come with 1 year of maintenance, with 4 for the BMW, which is big in my book. However, the list is about $6K less on a comparably equipped Audi, which can buy a lot of maintenance.

Does anyone have experience with the A6 and would care to give an opinion?
You can pre - purchase your 15, 25 and 35K mile services when you buy the car. As you noted above the 5K service is included. My wife has a '13 Q7 and I believe we paid about $700 for these 3 services. This will get you closer to the BMW 4 years of maintenance but you would still have to come out of pocket for wear items like brakes on the Audi.
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I would not put too much value into BMW's 4 year free maintenance unless one drives 50,000+ miles during that period. By driving 50k miles, it will likely trigger a brake pad/rotor change which can be fairly expensive. Otherwise, annual engine oil/filter change, wipers, cabin filters, and maybe bi-annual brake fluid change are not that costly during the first 4 years of ownership.
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Old 07-22-2014, 06:51 AM
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I appreciate the comments from all. The one from Leslierc about the 535 feeling smaller and the A6 bigger was particularly useful. My wife wants a car about the size of her Volvo, but definitely not bigger. She'll be going for test drives in the next several weeks before she makes her choice.

Since I have no experience with the Audis and have had two 750s, the one thing I hope it has for her is the 'send to car' feature from Google maps. She doesn't drive far, but she goes to new places often.
I have also done some research on the pros and cons of the 535 and the A6.
pro A6 is quicker more tech appointed
pro 535 4 year maintenance better ride quality and handling

cons A6 cost to own is crazy because the maintenance out of pocket hourly is higher my friend said if ii bought one he would not work on it because they have remove so much for a simple problem.
overall if you get a A6 get rid of it before the warranty is out or it starts having problems
CONS 535 electrical and we are so familiar with

for how the dealer explained to me but I think it was cheaper to lease the audi vs finance and vice versa with the 5
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I had the A6 Prestige package, highest one you can get. It was quicker than the 535 for sure, no questions asked. But it wasn't as solid given it's an aluminum body. The seats aren't as comfortable but you have to get the sports package and those seats if you get the 535i. if you don't get the sports package, the car sucks honestly. The seats are bad and the steering wheel is too thin. Still drives nice enough but it's not nearly as nice without sport package. But the A6 is MUCH better technology - google earth, built in Wifi, bluetooth is better, you get to read the news and get weather on the nav screen etc. And the center screen on the speedo is really nice if you don't want the screen out on the Audi. Again, technology is so much better but driveability with sports package is better in the bimmer.
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A6 gets my vote. If you already have a 7, why get a 5? Get something that is different and appreciate the things Audi does better in the A6, and the things BMW does better in the 7. If you get the 5, you'll just see all the things BMW does more cheaply than the 7 - both cars are that similar. If you had an A8, I would say get the 535i.
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Thanks for the comments, all. The points that you've brought up are quite interesting. My wife is not a tech fanatic, although she understands it well and uses it to the level she wants. So, the A6 being more technically advanced won't be big for her, but I could be very wrong. She's surprised me on some stuff.

The point chris made about the 5 being a cheaper version than the 7 is a good point. Perhaps a change is a good thing. As a point of reference, I can tell that the production quality has cheaped out for my '14 750 as compared to my '09. Small things, but noticeable.

I always get extended warranty and maintenance on every car, and it has always paid to do so. Her driving amount is much less than mine, but we do use the 7 on the weekend instead of the 10 year old Volvo. With the new car, we'll use that on the weekend and give my 7 a much needed rest.
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A6 has my vote! Heck you should look at the A8.


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The point chris made about the 5 being a cheaper version than the 7 is a good point. Perhaps a change is a good thing. As a point of reference, I can tell that the production quality has cheaped out for my '14 750 as compared to my '09. Small things, but noticeable.
If you want to go with BMW, I'd even venture to say 335i instead of the 535i if you didn't need the space. That is more different to the 7 than the 5 to the 7.
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A6 will defenately come cheaper, as BMW requires a lot more care and seems to fail more often.
For comfortability Audi, I also like the MMI and whole interface of it, also the sound systems are better, if we take a typical A6 and 5series, without and additional Bose or Bang & Olufsen sound systems.
A8 or 7series aren't a bad choise either, just the ammount of stuff you have on it, fails easily and requiers extra money + the car price falls fast, really fast.
Also mind that diesel engines, for new'er generation are way more trustful- Audi drives diesels on some racetracks also.

BMW has it's place on highways and noone can take it. Just yea, if you wish to save and you're not that rally-guy, who needs to fly to corners at 140mph, take Audi.
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Thanks for the latest posts. My wife is not a rally car driver by any stretch, but I'm loathe to get anything under 6 cylinders, "You don't need the speed until you do". I don't think she'd like the noise or dark exhaust from the diesel. She was very interested when I told her everyone said the tech in the A6 was better than the BMW. She really likes the tech when she rides in my 7 versus her 10 year old Volvo. That may sway her more than I initially guessed.

She'll probably start her test drives in the next week or so. I'll make a post when she makes a decision.
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I also considered the A8 at the time I decided on my F01. One of the reasons I chose the 7 Series over the A8 was my perception of the sheer over abundance of technology in the Audi...it definitely was impressive, but actually seemed a bit distracting to me. On another topic that has been raised, I disagree with the statement made that the 7 Series is a cheaper version of the 7. Yes, there are similarities between them; however, I consider the F10 a realistic option for someone that desires a BMW executive sport sedan without the additional size and weight of a 7 Series.
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Thanks for the latest posts. My wife is not a rally car driver by any stretch, but I'm loathe to get anything under 6 cylinders, "You don't need the speed until you do". I don't think she'd like the noise or dark exhaust from the diesel. She was very interested when I told her everyone said the tech in the A6 was better than the BMW. She really likes the tech when she rides in my 7 versus her 10 year old Volvo. That may sway her more than I initially guessed.

She'll probably start her test drives in the next week or so. I'll make a post when she makes a decision.
Noise or dark exhaust? Heh, it's 2014... The sound between petrol and diesel isn't that big anymore and giving the car service, wont let any kind of dark exhaust happen also. Diesel isn't for tracktors anymore... We drive normal and race vehicles with it and somehow- sometimes, they give even more power, than the petrol ones.

Just mind the ratio between the car and fuel price and the distance you drive... That'd give the image, which to chose, when we speaking about money... Not sure how it's in Texas, but here petrol costs the same or more than diesel, but the car with petrol engine is cheaper. I just know that the fuel prices are much, much lower there.

ALSO, as I said... When talking about nowadays BMW and Audi, the diesels are more reliable. Ask it from any authorized mechanic. Just changed the petrol engine pipes of my 750i.. They said it's normal for petrol BMW. Wife had a diesel Q7, nothing bad to say about engine.

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I appreciate the comments from all. The one from Leslierc about the 535 feeling smaller and the A6 bigger was particularly useful. My wife wants a car about the size of her Volvo, but definitely not bigger. She'll be going for test drives in the next several weeks before she makes her choice.

Since I have no experience with the Audis and have had two 750s, the one thing I hope it has for her is the 'send to car' feature from Google maps. She doesn't drive far, but she goes to new places often.
Have you considered another 7? My wife had a 545, then got into a 750li... She loved it and got mad at me for buying the B7 - not L, so I am going to get her another Li next year and keep the other for me
Watch out, if you put her in a 7, she might not want anything else...
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Regarding the diesel, my wife drives very few miles, around 500 or less per month. Fuel costs aren't a big factor, and the costs in Houston for fuel are always lower than the national average.

She has driven my 7, and she really doesn't like it due to the size. Her '04 Volvo S80 is what she's comfortable with, perhaps +/- a bit, but not much. My son had a '08 335i, and she thinks that is too small.

I've run the idea of a Tesla by her. She remembered my reasons for not getting one instead of my current 7 (unknown servicing options, long city to city distances in Texas and the range limit with AC use), and feels that she shouldn't be a guinea pig. I think it would be a perfect fit for her short distance driving strictly within Houston.
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