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Old 12-05-2010, 06:20 AM
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Definitely a bigger car feel than my E39 M5. But enjoy driving it very much; using sport setting plus sport transmission significantly improves sporty feel, though at a mileage penalty. Have 2,000+ miles on car and love it. Be careful of the carbon black color - beautiful but of course very sensitive to scratches.
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Old 12-05-2010, 07:34 AM
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Definitely a bigger car feel than my E39 M5. But enjoy driving it very much; using sport setting plus sport transmission significantly improves sporty feel, though at a mileage penalty. Have 2,000+ miles on car and love it. Be careful of the carbon black color - beautiful but of course very sensitive to scratches.
I've got the 535xi version and have driven it for 1,400 miles now and feel precisely the same way. The more I drive it, the more I love it. And, your description of the differences between the F10 version of the 5 series and its predecessors pretty much mirrors mine. DHP and Sports transmission/sports package really helps make the car handle well and I'm having a lot of fun driving it now that I feel comfortable "pushing" it after the break-in period. And, I have no complaints about the steering on the x-drive version of this car. All in all, I expect it to be a big winner for BMW.
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Old 12-05-2010, 08:57 AM
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How is the power on the 550i engine, as mines on order and none to test in the UK, thanks
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Old 12-05-2010, 09:10 AM
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Very strong, well worth getting that engine. Occassionally I sense a "turbo lag", but I think it's gone when U use sprot and sport transmission setting. Still experiementing
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Old 12-05-2010, 10:42 AM
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Very strong, well worth getting that engine. Occassionally I sense a "turbo lag", but I think it's gone when U use sprot and sport transmission setting. Still experiementing
Sounds great I can't wait for mine to arrive.
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Old 12-05-2010, 10:54 AM
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How is the power on the 550i engine, as mines on order and none to test in the UK, thanks
You made the right choice - the power and especially the torque are addictive. I hope you are prepared for dismal petrol consumption because it is always worse than the published numbers. I'll be happy if I get 16 mpg (US gallons) overall but I'm prepared for less.
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Old 12-05-2010, 11:04 AM
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You made the right choice - the power and especially the torque are addictive. I hope you are prepared for dismal petrol consumption because it is always worse than the published numbers. I'll be happy if I get 16 mpg (US gallons) overall but I'm prepared for less.
That's LOW but then if you are "enjoying the performance" it's worth the extra money spent.
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Old 12-05-2010, 12:35 PM
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That's LOW but then if you are "enjoying the performance" it's worth the extra money spent.
It is worth the extra money for me here in the US but I think you might be paying a lot more where you live. I drive less than 15K miles per year so: at 25 mpg my cost would be $200 a month in petrol. At 15 mpg my cost will be $334 per month or a difference of $134 per month or $34 per week. Definitely worth it to me

(Petrol at $4 per gallon for calculation but it is now under $3.50 a gallon for premium here in California).
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Old 12-05-2010, 01:43 PM
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My average gasoline consumption is 17.6 mpg over 1700 miles of mixed driving, including daily drives to office and errands plus probably 1000 highway miles (from Boston to New York and the like, which is not really cruizing). The driving is also a mix of "regular" and "sport".
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How is the power on the 550i engine, as mines on order and none to test in the UK, thanks
The acceleration feels super strong. In fact I test drove the 550i first then the E550 and the M56 and the 550i FELT faster than the other two. I was super surprised to see that both the MB and Infiniti are much faster to 60 the the 550i. Especially the MB which felt much slower than the other two and is also much lower in power than both being faster. Imagine when they change out the V8 for the new TTV8 that E is gonna fly.
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Old 12-05-2010, 02:03 PM
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wheels?

is there a different (besides the obvious styling) between the two 19" wheels (m-sport wheel and the regular sport model)? referring here to run flat/touring/staggered etc.
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is there a different (besides the obvious styling) between the two 19" wheels (m-sport wheel and the regular sport model)? referring here to run flat/touring/staggered etc.
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Old 12-05-2010, 02:38 PM
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Old 12-05-2010, 02:44 PM
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the xdrive wheels are not staggered. They're runflat all-seasons.
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The acceleration feels super strong. In fact I test drove the 550i first then the E550 and the M56 and the 550i FELT faster than the other two. I was super surprised to see that both the MB and Infiniti are much faster to 60 the the 550i. Especially the MB which felt much slower than the other two and is also much lower in power than both being faster. Imagine when they change out the V8 for the new TTV8 that E is gonna fly.
I'm guessing the torque on the 550i is higher? Torque, as opposed to HP, is what makes a car "feel" fast during acceleration. Torque is what causes the "push back" feeling during acceleration.
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Old 12-05-2010, 04:18 PM
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I'm guessing the torque on the 550i is higher? Torque, as opposed to HP, is what makes a car "feel" fast during acceleration. Torque is what causes the "push back" feeling during acceleration.
Yeah I get that was just surprised the 550i was the slowest of the new cars in it's segment. I thought it was the fastest.
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Old 12-05-2010, 05:33 PM
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Where did you obtain information the MB E550 was faster than F10 550i or ix? I test drove the E550, then the F10 550i last week with sport, DHP, and sport auto. Test drove a 550ix without either this week. All F10's felt quicker and more responsive than E550. Also, transmission shifting on the E550 was not near as smooth as F10. F10 shifting was so smooth as not to notice it. MB was solid car, but no comarison to F10 for driving dymanics, particulary with sport package and DHP. Also drove a 535ix. That did not provide the acceleration I was looking for coming from an 03 X5.
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Old 12-05-2010, 05:43 PM
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http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezfl...78930bb910.pdf

I'm only talking about acceleration not smoothness or anything else. Freaking Benz weighs the same has less power and torque with a slower shifting trans and is .2 secs faster to 60? What gives?
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Interesting. Wouldn't have guessed it from the test drives. I understand from reading on this forum the 550ix does 0-60 in 4.6. The MB E550 I tested was a 4-matic.
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I'm only talking about acceleration not smoothness or anything else. Freaking Benz weighs the same has less power and torque with a slower shifting trans and is .2 secs faster to 60? What gives?

We still do not have Road & Track's figures for the F10 550i/550ix, do we? They might equal or best these two. Let's wait what the F10's figures are as tested by R&T.
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Old 12-05-2010, 07:04 PM
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The BMW feels faster because its power easily is out of proportion to steering feel compared to other cars. It leads to an easier "out of control" acceleration feeling in my opinion.
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Old 12-05-2010, 07:14 PM
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I'm only talking about acceleration not smoothness or anything else. Freaking Benz weighs the same has less power and torque with a slower shifting trans and is .2 secs faster to 60? What gives?
I always use the official figure for comparison, as they have a larger sample size, done in a more controlled environment and with more accurate equipment.

The official 0-60 mph for E550 is 5.2 seconds; which is a far cry from what R&T got.
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Official figures are always out of line. Some manufacturers underestimate and some don't. As for the 550xi your right I think someone on here GUESSED it would do 4.6 based on no real life tests or anything like that just a guess. Besides these are not all wheel drive vehicles being tested. Still it just convinced me I should get that dinan asap! Can't stand being slower than that E550 it felt like a pig.
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I always use the official figure for comparison, as they have a larger sample size, done in a more controlled environment and with more accurate equipment.

The official 0-60 mph for E550 is 5.2 seconds; which is a far cry from what R&T got.
What is BMW's figure for the 550i? 5.0? 4.9?
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