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You make is sound like the bank is paying the drivers directly. The bank sponsors Ferrari and Ferrari pays the drivers and decides what to do. Yes, No?

So Kimi left and not that Ferrari let him go? Is that what you are saying?
Ferrari does not pay the drivers; the sponsors do.

Räikkönen had a year left on his deal with SF. Massa had two years remaining on his contract.

Santander had a sponsorship package for SF that included Alonso driving for SF.

Santander bought out the last year of Räikkönen's contract, did the sponsorship deal with SF, and this made it possible for Alonso to drive. If Räikkönen would have refused to leave, SF would have not received the huge deal with Santander Bank.

If Räikkönen would have driven in Formula 1 for any other team in 2010, he would have only received half of his salary from Santander. Instead, he took Santander's money, signed a WRC contract with Red Bull and got an even bigger salary from them than Loeb gets from Citroen.

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Old 11-19-2010, 03:33 AM
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Speaking of cornering, wide and long curves at the end of straights is another formula for more passing. Do away with most chicanes and have penalties for those who use the short cuts at the remaining chicanes. Replace the chicanes with more wide curves where there is room for two and three cars wide. Like on stock circle tracks. That will provide exciting passing on the inside and outside. Who do I tell at the FIA and the circuts?
You must be connected with high ranking, inside authorities.

Todt is now demanding changes to all of the circuits that have little to no passing, i.e., Abu Dhabi. For next season!

The FIA will review all of the tracks not only for safety issues, but also in terms what type of spectacle does each offer.

I just read about this from La Stampa. Which is an I-talian newspaper.
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Old 11-19-2010, 06:46 AM
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Vettel fastest on the new tires, but still 1.5sec slower than his Q3 time on Saturday.





Source: MTV3 F1 page - oh sorry, that is in Finnish btw...

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The times on the new Pirellis have no comparisons. Only same track, same day, same car comparisons can be made bewteen brands. This for a variety of reasons too numerous for a lazy person to communicate here.
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Old 11-19-2010, 08:19 AM
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Ferrari does not pay the drivers; the sponsors do.

Räikkönen had a year left on his deal with SF. Massa had two years remaining on his contract.

Santander had a sponsorship package for SF that included Alonso driving for SF.

Santander bought out the last year of Räikkönen's contract, did the sponsorship deal with SF, and this made it possible for Alonso to drive. If Räikkönen would have refused to leave, SF would have not received the huge deal with Santander Bank.

If Räikkönen would have driven in Formula 1 for any other team in 2010, he would have only received half of his salary from Santander. Instead, he took Santander's money, signed a WRC contract with Red Bull and got an even bigger salary from them than Loeb gets from Citroen.

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Yes

I thought SF was Spoon Face, apparently not. So who or what is SF?
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Old 11-19-2010, 08:30 AM
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I thought SF was Spoon Face, apparently not. So who or what is SF?
SF is Scuderia Ferrari .

I'm still not sure who spoonface is . Nearest I can figure , it's either Kubica or Schumi.

Nice to see Massa on top today . I know it's only testing and you have no idea what each teams agenda was but still , if ever a guy needed a confidence boost , it's him . And I wonder what was with the red helmet he wore in the morning session ? Just something for the cameras or trying to change his colors to change his luck ?
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Old 11-19-2010, 08:32 AM
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The times on the new Pirellis have no comparisons. Only same track, same day, same car comparisons can be made bewteen brands. This for a variety of reasons too numerous for a lazy person to communicate here.
I think that it is a GOOD thing that at this new stage for Pirelli, that the times are only 1.5sec behind the qualifying time.

And since the track has had only 1 day off since last Friday, the track is only getting faster as more rubber gets put down.
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SF is Scuderia Ferrari .

I'm still not sure who spoonface is . Nearest I can figure , it's either Kubica or Schumi.
You are a F1 fan, a Ferrari fan, and you do not know who Spoonface is?
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Old 11-19-2010, 08:37 AM
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I thought SF was Spoon Face, apparently not. So who or what is SF?
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Spoon Face = Schumacher.

Rosberg is complaining about the Pirellis saying they are like the bad front Bridgestones that Schumi blames for his poor times.

What a joke. I thought he would know better. He's foolishly looking for excuses when he doesn't have to. Pirelli is in development and this is the first time they have their tire on a variety of real F1 cars.

Give Pirelli time and they will be there.
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I think that it is a GOOD thing that at this new stage for Pirelli, that the times are only 1.5sec behind the qualifying time.

And since the track has had only 1 day off since last Friday, the track is only getting faster as more rubber gets put down.

Pirelli has stated that the rubber that was laid from the race is more of a hinderance than help. Diff composition is why.
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The biggest news coming from Pirelli testing is what Rosberg says about the tires and it's not good. Basically the fronts are worse than Bridgestone's and this means Schumi will still struggle if the design of the car is not changed completely from this years car. I was hoping to see Spoonface challenge the young guns...
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Ferrari does not pay the drivers; the sponsors do.

Räikkönen had a year left on his deal with SF. Massa had two years remaining on his contract.

Santander had a sponsorship package for SF that included Alonso driving for SF.

Santander bought out the last year of Räikkönen's contract, did the sponsorship deal with SF, and this made it possible for Alonso to drive. If Räikkönen would have refused to leave, SF would have not received the huge deal with Santander Bank.

If Räikkönen would have driven in Formula 1 for any other team in 2010, he would have only received half of his salary from Santander. Instead, he took Santander's money, signed a WRC contract with Red Bull and got an even bigger salary from them than Loeb gets from Citroen.

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So how's that going? Is he worth more than Loeb ( in your humble opinion?) Nothing like hijacking one's own thread.
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The biggest news coming from Pirelli testing is what Rosberg says about the tires and it's not good. Basically the fronts are worse than Bridgestone's and this means Schumi will still struggle if the design of the car is not changed completely from this years car. I was hoping to see Spoonface challenge the young guns...
And yesterday, Ross Brawn said that the new Mercedes will be built to Spoonface's driving style.

And Fittipaldi (who cares what he says) said that Vettel's main contenders next season will be El Banco and Spoonface.

What?

Anyway, Pirelli still has time to develop the tires. That is why there is this mass testing now.
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So how's that going? Is he worth more than Loeb ( in your humble opinion?)
Pretty damn good for someone that had only driven three rallies in a S2000 car.

As for his worth: ask Red Bull.
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Pirelli has stated that the rubber that was laid from the race is more of a hinderance than help. Diff composition is why.
Source?

And it is Ok if it is not in English.
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Check your sources, only Rosberg is not happy with the Pirelli tests. They ran 12 F1 cars and the vast majority were pleasantly surprised with the new rubber, Pirelli too.

The rubber will be fine.

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The biggest news coming from Pirelli testing is what Rosberg says about the tires and it's not good. Basically the fronts are worse than Bridgestone's and this means Schumi will still struggle if the design of the car is not changed completely from this years car. I was hoping to see Spoonface challenge the young guns...


Not so. Rosberg is the only complainer I know of. And I already posted he did not like the fronts. Didn't like Bridgestone fronts either, he says Schumi was so poor the whole season due to the fronts. Yea right. Poor baby.

Most others managed very well with the Bridgestones, and the Pirellis.
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Massa pleased with strong Pirelli start

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Check your sources, only Rosberg is not happy with the Pirelli tests. They ran 12 F1 cars and the vast majority were pleasantly surprised with the new rubber, Pirelli too.

The rubber will be fine.

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My only source is actually doing the testing in Abu Dhabi and he hasn't replied to FB (Facebook) messages today.

Is Autosport in English? Sounds German, makes me nervous.
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What a joke. I thought he would know better. He's foolishly looking for excuses when he doesn't have to.
FrankA, join me in forgiving Spoonface for all of that nonsense in the past when he single-handedly managed to ruin Formula 1, and let's cheer for him next season.

It's a new era, he is old, not driving the enemy car (Benetton or FIAT) and cheering for the underdog makes one feel all fuzzy inside.

It's like cheering for Mansell when he was too fat to even sit in the McLaren in 1995.

I am willing to forgive and forget.
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My only source is actually doing the testing in Abu Dhabi and he hasn't replied to FB (Facebook) messages today.

Is Autosport in English? Sounds German, makes me nervous.

Is he with Mercedes?

English of course, but maybe other languages too, ? Subscription $$$ expensive so it must be good.
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My only source is actually doing the testing in Abu Dhabi and he hasn't replied to FB (Facebook) messages today.

Is Autosport in English? Sounds German, makes me nervous.
Could be a little busy for FB.
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FrankA, join me in forgiving Spoonface for all of that nonsense in the past when he single-handedly managed to ruin Formula 1, and let's cheer for him next season.

It's a new era, he is old, not driving the enemy car (Benetton or FIAT) and cheering for the underdog makes one feel all fuzzy inside.

It's like cheering for Mansell when he was too fat to even sit in the McLaren in 1995.

I am willing to forgive and forget.
Perhaps I can forgive him for his almost continuous abuse of F1 in his first life. Perhaps not. But the experience of his reincarnation has certainly begat a better life for the rest of the field...so far. Even if I forgive, I can't seem to forget. I do think he'll post a win or two sometime in the future, but will never be in contention for the crown again.
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