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Old 11-20-2010, 02:58 PM
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Ha. I was right. Only an inch.

The 2011 X3 increased width and wheelbase help give it more useful space for passengers. There is one inch more rear legroom, which really makes a difference.

I really wonder how much difference an inch makes.

This article is a decent read:
http://www.autobytel.com/content/sha...le_id_int/8833
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Old 11-20-2010, 07:30 PM
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Ha. I was right. Only an inch.

The 2011 X3 increased width and wheelbase help give it more useful space for passengers. There is one inch more rear legroom, which really makes a difference.

I really wonder how much difference an inch makes.

This article is a decent read:
http://www.autobytel.com/content/sha...le_id_int/8833
Makes a big difference. They had two X3's in the showroom when I was there. One a 2010 and the other the new 2011.

And don't care what the article says. I took a tape measure and the interior footwell from one side to the other was a good 3 inches different from 2010 to 2011.

I adjusted the drivers and front passengers seats to suit me, then I got in the back. I posted pix of Emily in box vehicles as she is certainly more appealing to see then me.

The rear seating angles have been adjusted to give more height and leg room.

I think the nicely improved the interior all around. Not too fancy, but pragmatically efficient. The pure definition to the German mentality.

The one they had on display was a stripped down euro model (kinda sill not to have a loaded one).

I was also not able to start her up to look at any of the electronics.

The main thing I am looking for in the new x3 is low end torque and handling. And, very important a tranny that operates correctly and quickly since a manual is no longer available.

I really could care less about their electronics with navi or sound because there is very few pre-installed systems that impress me with respect to cost.

Meaning what they charge of $3-4k I could do ten times better for same money.

So again, as critical as I am of BMW I think there are more things in the win column at this time.

The final review will be driving one and time to see what gremlins lurk within.

Burn me once shame on you, burn me twice shame on me. So still waiting til then.

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Thanks EE.

Looking at Emily's legs, it didn't seem like 3 inches. Did you see the videos I posted on the LA auto show thread? That guy's legs were tight (he might have been tall though).
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Thanks EE.

Looking at Emily's legs, it didn't seem like 3 inches. Did you see the videos I posted on the LA auto show thread? That guy's legs were tight (he might have been tall though).
You aren't paying attention--width not height width From left to right.
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Old 11-21-2010, 07:54 PM
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You aren't paying attention--width not height width From left to right.
Oh...when you first wrote, I saw you wrote width and I asked you where the 3 inches might have come from since BMW said 1 inch wider. Maybe they cut back the thickness of the doors or something.

This latter time, I was discussing "length" as in rear leg room from seat to back of front seats. Since you were talking about that too, maybe I was skimming and missed you say "the other side".

I thought your comment was in response to what I was talking about (and what the article was talking about ...which you seemed to be challenging)

So do you agree that the anterior-posterior leg room increase is not that much more? The article though 1 inch.
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Oh...when you first wrote, I saw you wrote width and I asked you where the 3 inches might have come from since BMW said 1 inch wider. Maybe they cut back the thickness of the doors or something.

This latter time, I was discussing "length" as in rear leg room from seat to back of front seats. Since you were talking about that too, maybe I was skimming and missed you say "the other side".

I thought your comment was in response to what I was talking about (and what the article was talking about ...which you seemed to be challenging)

So do you agree that the anterior-posterior leg room increase is not that much more? The article though 1 inch.
That seems to make sense to some degree. They have changed the seating angle as far as I can tell. I sat in the back as well and felt much more comfortable.

I'm not a big person 5"10" and 165lb and my wife is teeny so our friends don't suffer in the back seat at all.

The added width is more important to me as it let you lounge your legs outward and because the the center hump is at least several inches lower you are not puling them up either. This gives the feeling of much more room and certainly more comfort.

The main thing I would like to experience and critique will be the ride, handling, and acceleration. All very important as I like to drive, but don't want shock trauma that I get with my wife's MCS and run flats. I love driving her car, but after 45 minutes I am nearly crippled from the ride.

They claim to have adjusted the ride to handle the RFT's but I have yet to experience a vehicle that has them that I can tolerate.

I hope they have.
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Old 11-22-2010, 06:24 AM
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That seems to make sense to some degree. They have changed the seating angle as far as I can tell. I sat in the back as well and felt much more comfortable.

I'm not a big person 5"10" and 165lb and my wife is teeny so our friends don't suffer in the back seat at all.

The added width is more important to me as it let you lounge your legs outward and because the the center hump is at least several inches lower you are not puling them up either. This gives the feeling of much more room and certainly more comfort.

The main thing I would like to experience and critique will be the ride, handling, and acceleration. All very important as I like to drive, but don't want shock trauma that I get with my wife's MCS and run flats. I love driving her car, but after 45 minutes I am nearly crippled from the ride.

They claim to have adjusted the ride to handle the RFT's but I have yet to experience a vehicle that has them that I can tolerate.

I hope they have.
1. for the seating angle, are you more reclined, or more forward? One reviewer said higher up I think...I can't remember.

2. The DDC seems like a must. The different reviewers are disagreeing about the best mode and it would be hard to make that decision on a test drive. It would be better just to choose it then experiment and change it whenever you want. In addition the DDC includes one part that sounds like it helps (it has 2 parts) with ride and handling. It sounds to me like something that should be standard (the part that senses 1000 things per second).

It seems to me that geting the DDS
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Today, I was given a nice treat to see the X3 before anyone else in the area by Russel BMW and Emily O'Donnell.

I have to say it looks a lot nicer up close and in person. The interior is definitely more spacious. Some asked about measurements in another post so I brought a tape measure.

The interior is a good 3 inches wider in front and back. There is a noticeable amount of improved head and leg room as you can see from a 2010 and 2011 pic I have included.

They finally got rid of the stupid push button climate controls and put in rotary that have a graduated feel to them. The front cabin is more spacious and ergonomically set. The steering controls are much more user friendly as well.

The rear cabin has much more leg room, the center divide is much lower giving a sense of space. And there are climate venting in the back for passengers.

The trunk space is much larger by almost 7 inches in width. 2010 37.5 inches to the new 44 inches.

Also, the entire back deck lifts up for added storage which was only partially accessible in the predecessor. Great for amplifiers, lol.

The sound system is still an embarrassment with respect to what is offered by entry level mazda's, fords and competitors, but I can easily fix that now and even keep the original HU with new components that are available. Still don't understand why they don't step up to at least a 5 1/4 door mount speaker.

Most of the other things you can see on your own with the BMWNA configurator, but ask any questions and I'll try to fill in the blanks.

Attached are pics. I have yet to drive one, but if it drives as good as it looks I think BMW may have a winner here. I'm impressed with the feel, fit, finish as well as the specs of 5.5 sec 0-60 in the 35 model. That is as fast as the M class X5 which I loved, but was too expensive and a gas guzzler.

If you are in the Balt-DC area look up Emily O'Donnell at Russel (in pics). I talk a lot and she is a great listener and very attentive to detail.
Can you get a shot of Emily doing various contortions in the rear?
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I was at the dealership today for the recall and winter tires and shot these pics while I was waiting.

Comments and thoughts:

1. I was very wrong about the leg room; it's got plenty both front and rear. Easily 3 to 4 inches between my knee and the dash with the front seat all the way back. I'm 6'2" and sitting in the back seat with the front seat all to the rear, my knees never touched any part of the seat back with it just slightly reclined. Entry and exit effort also deceived me and it was no problem sliding into the front or rear seats. However, the seating position seems a little low for my taste and I still prefer the higher seating in the X5.

2. The cigarette/cigar lighter is directly in front of shifter between the cup holders.

3. The front passenger air bag disable switch is on the passenger end of the dash.

4. There's some key shaped marking under the wiper control stalk on the steering column. Probably that area is intended for the key slot but for what ever reason wasn't on this vehicle.

5. There are flip-out grocery/shopping bag holders on both sides in the trunk.

6. The rear hatch opens much easier than before.

7. All metal trim on the front and rear spoilers, door bottoms, roof rack, windows is brushed aluminum and, in my opinion, looks great.

8. The small storage compartment for vehicles not equipped with either iDrive or nav is above the center vents and I included pictures of it both open and closed. To the best of my memory, it has a depth of maybe 3.5 inches.

Overall, a very nice improvement.
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Cool. Thanks for the picks.

I was wondering what that was in the center. I thought is was a cover for the nav screen. I was going to say I don't like it. lol

It's good to hear about the grocery bag holder. I think not including them in the current is a design flaw. There should be standard holders lining the trunk.
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The main thing I am looking for in the new x3 is low end torque and handling. And, very important a tranny that operates correctly and quickly since a manual is no longer available....
This was disappointing news at first. Fortunately, there still is a manual available (from HT417's picture):

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This was disappointing news at first. Fortunately, there still is a manual available (from HT417's picture):

Keep in mind this is a German spec 2.0 diesel. I still doubt you'll get the manual in US trim.
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Keep in mind this is a German spec 2.0 diesel. I still doubt you'll get the manual in US trim.
You won't. Also U.S. spec X3s come with iDrive as standard.
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You won't. Also U.S. spec X3s come with iDrive as standard.
Darn about the manual. Apologies to Evlengr. Who knows, maybe for the US market that makes sense. But still. Gotta save the manuals!
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You won't. Also U.S. spec X3s come with iDrive as standard.
I guess I could have saved a few electrons and not taken pics of the storage space. Anyway, I think most buyers will come to appreciate the benefits of iDrive once they try it.
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I certainly hope they have improved the I Drive! It was a deal breaker for me in the X5.
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..... Anyway, I think most buyers will come to appreciate the benefits of iDrive once they try it.
I am one. iDrive was standard on my 5 series, and I was a bit apprehensive about that based on reading so many comments questioning iDrive, but now that I have it I would not want to go back. I wish our '06 X3 had iDrive.

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Can you get a shot of Emily doing various contortions in the rear?
You are a very sick person.

As are the rest of us still talking about Emily.
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Thanks a lot, I just spit soda all over my computer...

The X3 is nice, too.
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Maybe this is the last post on Emily but when you guys started talking about her on the X3 review by Consumer Reports thread, I kept thinking, "who the heck is Emily?" I think I even searched the threads for "Emily" but all is explained in this thread.
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Maybe this is the last post on Emily but when you guys started talking about her on the X3 review by Consumer Reports thread, I kept thinking, "who the heck is Emily?" I think I even searched the threads for "Emily" but all is explained in this thread.
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