No moonroof on X5 xDrive35i !!

Originally Posted by Inline Sixer

Speaking of which, I was recently playing with the car builder and noticed that the base version will not include the roof rails even if you wanted it.

Yup-
X5 brochure shows that rails are not avail on the base model

Your brother could deck it out in go-fast parts and tell everyone the moonroof delete was to save weight and lower the center of gravity. :-P

Originally Posted by AzNMpower32

May I suggest doing a search on "moonroof leak" on the E83 and E60/E61 5er forums I think someone on the 5 forum wanted to start a lawsuit.

Your comparing apples and oranges. That's not on an E70.

Originally Posted by pod13

Your brother could deck it out in go-fast parts and tell everyone the moonroof delete was to save weight and lower the center of gravity. :-P

Originally Posted by Bruin72

Your comparing apples and oranges. That's not on an E70.

Similar in design and function.

Not saying it will malfunction. In fact, mine hasn't (knock on wood). But the possibility exists, compared to a solid roof.

Originally Posted by pod13

Your brother could deck it out in go-fast parts and tell everyone the moonroof delete was to save weight and lower the center of gravity. :-P

Even better, paint it black and tell your friends it's carbon fiber.

Seems to me that BMW makes the Base X5 available without pano roof, roof rails, or leather, just so folks can have the "prestige" of the Roundel without the monthly payment. Nothing wrong with that, but as the saying goes, you gets what you pays for. Bad form to order a stripper then blame the world for your own mistake.

Originally Posted by Inline Sixer

Speaking of which, I was recently playing with the car builder and noticed that the base version will not include the roof rails even if you wanted it.

Roof rails are now an option with the base model, even though not shown in the brochure or the online config. Option 0386, $100 MSRP, $90 invoice.

Originally Posted by quackbury

Seems to me that BMW makes the Base X5 available without pano roof, roof rails, or leather, just so folks can have the "prestige" of the Roundel without the monthly payment. Nothing wrong with that, but as the saying goes, you gets what you pays for...

There definitely are some "comforts" missing with the base, but IMHO the best parts of the 2011 X5 35i is the fantastic twin-scroll turbo motor, the awesome new eight speed gearbox, BMW handling (SUV version at least), and surprisingly good fuel economy. And you can get the pano roof, wood trim, bluetooth integration, ipod integration, heated seats, and a few other goodies with the options allowed on the base model.

Don't judge it against a $70K loaded X5, but instead to a $45K Japanese SUV.

Originally Posted by quackbury

Bad form to order a stripper then blame the world for your own mistake.

Woah! I must have missed something. How is getting a stripper delivered a mistake?

Originally Posted by pod13

Woah! I must have missed something. How is getting a stripper delivered a mistake?

When your wife's already in the room when the stripper shows up.

Originally Posted by quackbury

I could care less where he's from, and whether he's a sports fan or not. But I'm sick of folks whining that it's someone else's fault when they shoot themselves in the foot.


BTW How about them Eagles?

+1000...This is ridiculous, it is the person's fault they didn't look at the STANDARD EQUIPMENT LIST and then cheaped out as much as possible. Good luck selling that decontented X5, it will be way more that 5-6K off to get someone to buy it. I mean really, you don't know what comes standard when you are spending close to 50K? This is only the CA's fault if they misinformed him and said it had a standard moonroof of some sort, which of course doesn't exist...

Originally Posted by 0428

When your wife's already in the room when the stripper shows up.

Especially if it's in the middle of a lap dance. That would be slightly awkward.

Originally Posted by ihumphrey

+1000...This is ridiculous, it is the person's fault they didn't look at the STANDARD EQUIPMENT LIST and then cheaped out as much as possible. Good luck selling that decontented X5, it will be way more that 5-6K off to get someone to buy it. I mean really, you don't know what comes standard when you are spending close to 50K? This is only the CA's fault if they misinformed him and said it had a standard moonroof of some sort, which of course doesn't exist...

Couldn't agree more. Doesn't matter what car you are buying, they're all expensive, one should know exactly what they are getting when spending this amount of money. I think I spent so much time on the BMW "build your own" website that I was going to wear it out, in addition to the thousands of questions I asked my CA. Information is crucial these days, and it is so readily available.

Originally Posted by bobamoo

Couldn't agree more. Doesn't matter what car you are buying, they're all expensive, one should know exactly what they are getting when spending this amount of money. I think I spent so much time on the BMW "build your own" website that I was going to wear it out, in addition to the thousands of questions I asked my CA. Information is crucial these days, and it is so readily available.

I totally agree, there are so much info online for anyone to make the effort to do some research. My CA told me, if there anything you need just email and this is what I did, I email to ask a lot of questions. I probably knew some things my CA didn't know, because I did a lot of research on the 2011 X5.

If I were him I would be happy that he got an X5 for a good price. I also would have asked about every option that I wanted or thought that it came with.

A moonroof? Seriously? Weren't they a fad in the 70s and 80s? I don't know anyone who would love to have a moonroof. Generally people are upset that BMWs come with a moonroof. A moonroof is one more thing to malfunction anyhow.

Originally Posted by quackbury

Seems to me that BMW makes the Base X5 available without pano roof, roof rails, or leather, just so folks can have the "prestige" of the Roundel without the monthly payment. Nothing wrong with that, but as the saying goes, you gets what you pays for. Bad form to order a stripper then blame the world for your own mistake.

Wow you've got to be kidding. I have the base x5 and the reason isn't because I couldn't afford the other models, but because I felt it was a good value for the money. Also I prefer the leatherette for ease of cleaning with kids and durability over time. Believe me the monthly payment is no slouch.

I'll look forward to your response telling me how much more money you have than I do and how that makes you better than me, and why I shouldn't be posting here.

^^ yeah, while I generally splurge on cars, one thing is always true:

There is ALWAYS someone with a faster car, a more expensive car...and to feel that somehow your identity or worth is tied to the value of what you drive is rather sad (and ultimately unfulfilling).

You actually don't 'gets what you pays for'....

A

Originally Posted by quackbury

Bad form to order a stripper then blame the world for your own mistake.

The person who bought this "stripper" wasn't moaning and blaming anyone. Now was he? Can you re-re-re-read his posts? It was his brother who came onto this board asking for advice on what to do and seeking the best way to deal with this error. Instead of solid suggestions, you blast the poor fellow with stripper and prestige and rich and poor comments.

Its like someone making fun of your M3 beacuse you couldn't afford to get the real deal, the M6.

Originally Posted by Aqua Bliss

Wow you've got to be kidding. I have the base x5 and the reason isn't because I couldn't afford the other models, but because I felt it was a good value for the money. Also I prefer the leatherette for ease of cleaning with kids and durability over time. Believe me the monthly payment is no slouch.

I'll look forward to your response telling me how much more money you have than I do and how that makes you better than me, and why I shouldn't be posting here.

Please reread my post. I said quite clearly "there is nothing wrong" with ordering a lightly optioned base vehicle. (As long as you don't try to fool the world by slapping M badges on it). My wife's X5 isn't all that heavily optioned, but it has everything on it she could reasonably want.

What I continue to have a problem with is someone whining about a mistake he (or his "brother") made. There is nothing secret about the content of a 35i Base. It's in the brochure, and on the internet. It should have been pretty darn apparent when he showed up at the dealership to take delivery that there was no moonroof (pano or otherwise) on the vehicle. He had the opportunity to walk out the door, but didn't. Instead, he and his "brother" blame their problem on the CA:

Originally Posted by voken

Yes, I agree. Issue is with the CA at the dealership..he should have notified my brother that the base model doesn't come with the moonroof.

Using this logic, during the delivery process the CA should have sat in the car and said to the brother: "Look up. There is no moonroof in this car you ordered. Still want it?"

My comments have nothing to do with MONEY, but everything to do with PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. It's been my experience that the two don't necessarily go hand-in-hand.

As to your other question. I have no interest in whether you or I have more money. I stopped counting when I got to "enough", so if it's important to you, let's just declare you the winner on that score, okay?

Originally Posted by ard

^^ yeah, while I generally splurge on cars, one thing is always true:

There is ALWAYS someone with a faster car, a more expensive car...and to feel that somehow your identity or worth is tied to the value of what you drive is rather sad (and ultimately unfulfilling).

You actually don't 'gets what you pays for'....

A

Yes and no.

If you are buying a car because you think it will give you prestige, good karma, a full head of hair and a 28 year-old hard-body girlfriend, you are fooling yourself.

OTOH If you spec a sunroof when you buy the car, you get a sunroof. So in that case (like the OP's "brother") you really does gets what you pays for.

Originally Posted by 0428

Its like someone making fun of your M3 beacuse you couldn't afford to get the real deal, the M6.

My neighbor totally did this...I was out washing my e92 and he said he liked my m6, I said its an M3, he said; oh; I'm not impressed then! Gotta love some people

Originally Posted by quackbury

Please reread my post. I said quite clearly "there is nothing wrong" with ordering a lightly optioned base vehicle. (As long as you don't try to fool the world by slapping M badges on it). My wife's X5 isn't all that heavily optioned, but it has everything on it she could reasonably want.

The part of your post I was commenting on was:

Originally Posted by quackbury

just so folks can have the "prestige" of the Roundel without the monthly payment.

The OP is just one example gone wrong. There are thousands of us who have already ordered 35i standard model and are completely happy with it - and we didn't order it because we wanted prestige of a blue and white roundel, we ordered it because it's a great vehicle for a good price.

Every time I buy a vehicle I do a ton of research first, this one included - typically I know 10x more about the car than the sales person selling me the car, this time was no exception. I think most people spending this much money on a vehicle would do the same, at least those who want to be well educated on a big purchase.

I put x6m wheels on my 35i standard because they really dress up the vehicle, not because I'm trying to make it look like an M or fool anyone into thinking it is. Those wheels have a place for an M badge which I refuse to put on and I wouldn't dare put one on the lift gate.

And actually, when you get a 35i standard with convenience package, wood trim, roof rails, iPod, Navigation, Bluetooth, panoramic roof, the only real difference is the interior and it didn't make sense to spend $4k more just to get leather when I didn't mind the standard interior.

Fair enough. I apologize if you were offended by my poor choice of words. I in no way meant to disparage folks who buy the Base / Standard model, as there's a lot of value in optioning up a car exactly the way you want it.

Originally Posted by quackbury

WTF? How can you show up to take delivery of the car, and not realize that it doesn't have a pano roof? It's pretty hard to miss!

Why in the world is it the CA's fault? Your brother was trying to be cheap. It's not the CA's fault your brother succeeded.

Poor choice of words...you don't have any right in going about saying the things you said about my brother...he is new here and its his first buy as as Aqua Bliss said its not about not being able to afford the Car w/ all options, its the circumstances that made him to get this base version and he thought the base would suffice and he had to cash down the entire amount as opposed to the luxury of loan/leasing like the rest of us.

Yes, to your question, its the first thing he noticed while in the lot at the dealership that the car didn't had any moonroof (not the optioned pan roof but he was expecting the standard moonroof). At that point he didn't know that he could walk out of the deal (not sure how well you all fared on your first purchase !!) though he made a big issue about the roof, the CA didn't even suggest that he will place another order for him and that this one could go on to the lot (of course no dealer would volunteer this, so I don't blame that guy) !! Yes, I agree that he did make a mistake of calling me while he took the car out of the dealership, but still the CA would have helped him as he knew its his first buy and that he is new here.

Its funny...I used to respect and like your posts on 5 series forum, not sure what made me do that !!!!