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Old 11-22-2010, 06:24 PM
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New M5 stud or souped up dud?

Based on the direction of the F10, do you think the M5 can possibly be a driver's car?

I loved the looks of the E60 M5 and the power band and sound of the engine were fantastic, but the transmission was always a let down, and frankly so too was the fact that you needed a lot of open pavement to sample its wares (not enough low end torque to impress on the morning commute)

back in 2008 I thought if they put turbos and a dual clutch in the M5 it will be unstoppable. What I didn't see coming was the 300+ lbs. of ballast and increased dimensions that BMW tacked on to the equation...

The M engineers know what time it is. BMW would be better off with them at the decision making helm. But, there are limits to what they can do with a series production car and still have a cost effective M version. The new M5 will need to have a genuine track ready suspension to impress. Not some electronically variable...everything to everybody approach.

One of the road and track issues this summer featured American LeMans cars vs. their stock versions. The M3 race car was around 800 lbs. lighter than the stock car! By comparison the racing 911 was only 150 lbs. lighter. There's a lot of "stuff" in modern BMWs. If they can't trim the weight with the F10M5, the M folks are going to HAVE TO reign it in with heavy duty suspension. If not, it's going to feel like an AMG.

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Old 11-24-2010, 02:24 AM
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Based on the direction of the F10, do you think the M5 can possibly be a driver's car?
Amazingly enough, we in the F10 forum are, in fact, drivers. The F10 is a driver's car, the F10 M5 will be a driver's car. If you're trying to say your E60 has a monopoly on drivers's-carness, go troll some other forum. But I'm going to assume you just phrased that really, really poorly and move on.

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I loved the looks of the E60 M5 and the power band and sound of the engine were fantastic, but the transmission was always a let down, and frankly so too was the fact that you needed a lot of open pavement to sample its wares (not enough low end torque to impress on the morning commute)
Agreed, the E60 M5 was a Nurburgring car, the F10 550i is about as fast stoplight to stoplight, giving up only 2 tenths in 0-62 BMW quoted figures, and probably equal or faster 0-30 due to mammoth torque (the ix is undoubtedly faster 0-30).

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back in 2008 I thought if they put turbos and a dual clutch in the M5 it will be unstoppable. What I didn't see coming was the 300+ lbs. of ballast and increased dimensions that BMW tacked on to the equation...
You didn't see that a car model will get bigger and heavier in its next generation?

Is there really a question in your mind that HP in the high 500s and more importantly torque in the 600s will not outperform a peaky V10 with 384 lb-ft on US roads despite the added weight (which incidentally provides the first ever 5 star IIHS Top Safety rated crash tested 5 Series).

If you want a smaller car, buy an M3, it has about the same room as an E39. Time marches on, that's why there is a 1-series now.

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The new M5 will need to have a genuine track ready suspension to impress. Not some electronically variable...everything to everybody approach.
Wait, you're saying you don't want a single-clutch SMG that is genuinely track ready, you don't want a V10 that is track ready, you want an engine, suspension and transmission that actually work well in the real world, but god forbid it's electronically variable, because that meets a broad set of needs instead of being elitist? It's sounding more and more like you should be dirving a Lotus Elise, are you sure you can handle interior door panels? Anything but bare metal is kind of everything-for-everybody.

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The M3 race car was around 800 lbs. lighter than the stock car! By comparison the racing 911 was only 150 lbs. lighter. There's a lot of "stuff" in modern BMWs.
Yeah, like interior door handles Porsche charges more for less in their track models, it's been said that theoretically buying no Porsche at all would cost infinite money.

If you're trying to say you would actually buy an M5 with floppy door pulls made out of seat belt fabric, zero sound insulation, and fixed carbon fiber seats with no angle adjustment, I have a hard time believing that.
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Old 11-24-2010, 06:26 AM
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Well done KC!
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Old 11-24-2010, 06:39 AM
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from what I've read, the M engineers complained that e60 platform is not tough enough to allow certain modifications because it uses too much aluminum and that f10 structure was influenced by this and so they used more steel and that's why the car is heavier (saves money too)
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I think the new M5 will be a beast. With the turbo engine you should have a very high output engine. I wonder if BMW is going to offer a performance package for its cars similar to the Mercedes P030 packages for the AMGs.
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There is absolutely no chance the new F10 M5 will have an xDrive option, is there?
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There is absolutely no chance the new F10 M5 will have an xDrive option, is there?
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There is absolutely no chance the new F10 M5 will have an xDrive option, is there?
They have the X6M/X5M for that.. or you can tune the 550 xi.
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