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Old 10-23-2011, 06:53 PM
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So I ask again, those who have taken delivery of 2012 535i models - what are the exact specs of 2012 535i Premium Sound system? I have to believe that it is superior to standard, but still seeking specifics. Come clean, those who are in their 535i's right now!
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Old 12-01-2011, 04:51 PM
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Tried your settings for a day or two now; and it seems far better than the standard "flat" in an audiophile sence. Thanks a lot!

However, I think you are right that it gives a slight peak in or around the presence area. Compared to my inhouse Naim 500-series/KEF 207/2 system (which is supposed to be rather flat and also measures rather flat) and my Naim Headline/Sennheiser HD800 headfi which also is supposed to be rather flat; there is an obvious "zing" or elevation of energy in this frequency region, which is easily removed however by reducing some of the frequencys above 2khz by on or two steps, the entire treble, or perhaps both. By turning down the energy at 5khz, 10khz and total treble one or two notches I think I achieved a more earfriendly, neutral and insightful balance which resembles that of an ultra-highend system (or even live music) even better.

Have you done any more experimentation with your settings?
I'm mostly uninformed on this subject. However, I did find the following settings on an internet search and found them to sound better (to me) that the ones previously listed here:

SETTINGS previously listed::
100Hz -2
200Hz -1
500Hz 0
1KHz +2
2KHz -3
5KHz +4
10KHz +6

TRY THESE SETTINGS:
+3
+6
+9
+7
+6
+5
+7
+9
+11
+8

I really like this new sound. I'm pretty sure I have a regular system in my 645ci.
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Old 12-01-2011, 05:42 PM
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Maybe an odd question - but do you think there would be any value in using a protocol like a THX calibration? i.e., running pink noise and a calibration software package to get all the sounds to the right levels based on THX or some other referance?

The reason why I ask, is I have the means, and a friend who is THX certified (video/audio) who could do this - but since its a car, and not a theatre I'm wondering if its even worth it?

Also; I don't have my car yet - but can the EQ be set for each speaker individually, or just for the whole output? When we do this in the theatre would we bring every speaker to a THC reference with separate calibrations;

Anyways; Just a thought - love to hear if anyone thinks this is a good idea... (and if so, what to use as a referance)
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Old 12-01-2011, 06:30 PM
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So I ask again, those who have taken delivery of 2012 535i models - what are the exact specs of 2012 535i Premium Sound system? I have to believe that it is superior to standard, but still seeking specifics. Come clean, those who are in their 535i's right now!
I have Premium Sound pkg in my 2012 535i, but I really can't tell you any more than is on BMW's website. There are no markings on the stereo or speakers that I can see.
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Old 12-01-2011, 07:29 PM
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Maybe an odd question - but do you think there would be any value in using a protocol like a THX calibration? i.e., running pink noise and a calibration software package to get all the sounds to the right levels based on THX or some other referance?

The reason why I ask, is I have the means, and a friend who is THX certified (video/audio) who could do this - but since its a car, and not a theatre I'm wondering if its even worth it?

Also; I don't have my car yet - but can the EQ be set for each speaker individually, or just for the whole output? When we do this in the theatre would we bring every speaker to a THC reference with separate calibrations;

Anyways; Just a thought - love to hear if anyone thinks this is a good idea... (and if so, what to use as a referance)
I think that is a FABULOUS idea!!! I am guessing you might want the speakers to burn in a bit (or whatever the proper terminology is), but I think the end result would be well worth the effort.

AFAIK there is only one master EQ setting for the entire system.

Be sure you post your settings when you're done.
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Old 12-02-2011, 09:03 AM
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I think that is a FABULOUS idea!!! I am guessing you might want the speakers to burn in a bit (or whatever the proper terminology is), but I think the end result would be well worth the effort.

AFAIK there is only one master EQ setting for the entire system.

Be sure you post your settings when you're done.
Well, i will have this done in Jan then; I will have to see about the "burn in period" for speakers also...

I suspect my car will be here around xmas time, and as such I will not be able to tune it until the holidays are over; so I hope to get to this first week in Jan;

I'll make a point of doing a video or something for those interested;

I have also read the manual a few times now, and I can't see anything that says I can adjust the EQ settings for each speaker - it does look like a one-size-fits-all EQ

I talk to by buddy about it; he is game - we are going to use 4 microphones and multiplex the audio - we will test 3 settings

1) Calibration for driver only (With person in seat, as this changes sound)
2) Calibration for driver + Passenger (With people in seat, as this changes sound)
3) Calibration for all for passengers (With people in seat, as this changes sound)

Unless we hear other wise; we will work from the THX reference for sound, which if I understand him correctly will bring all the frequency ranges to the same level; I would however love to hear from any serious audio guys if this is the right approach? it would be nice to build out a methodology before we start testing - in a home audio setup, it can take upwards of 10 hours (speaker by speaker) - while I expect the car one to take less time; it would be nice to have a plan for it all before end of Dec?
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Old 12-02-2011, 09:12 AM
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I am really looking forward to your results.

While you are looking at different permutations, you may also want to measure with the sunroof cover open vs. shut. I bet the impact of having glass vs. fabric overhead will be as significant as adding passengers.
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Old 12-02-2011, 09:18 AM
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I am really looking forward to your results.

While you are looking at different permutations, you may also want to measure with the sunroof cover open vs. shut. I bet the impact of having glass vs. fabric overhead will be as significant as adding passengers.
Good catch; I'm sure that will, its sound absorbing when closed! so that will be important; that makes 6 combinations now I guess!

I wonder if the settings buttons can be set for different EQ profiles?;
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Old 02-28-2012, 12:27 PM
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Bumping it up----- for updated settings
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Old 02-28-2012, 01:02 PM
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I'm flattening out EQ again for a while, works too actually.
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Old 02-28-2012, 08:33 PM
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Before my iDrive started rebooting and became unusable (see iDrive rebooting thread), I spent considerable time playing with the graphic settings trying to get the best from the F10's Professional audio system (think it's called 'Premium' in the US). The settings below give the best overall sound (to my ears at least).

Fader +2 towards rear
Treble +4
Bass 0
Surround off!!!
100Hz -2
200Hz -1
500Hz 0
1KHz +2
2KHz -3
5KHz +4
10KHz +6

The surround just seems to add copious amounts of reverb and wrecks the sound IMO.
I initially set everything up using my ears, then used some sine wave test files with a large diaphram mic who's responce I'm familiar with and an oscilloscope (yes - I'm into audio!). Assuming my calculations were correct, the results were suprisingly flat. My preferred settings have a slight boost around 3Khz, but I like it that way. Makes you wonder why they can't equalise the default settings better.
Based on these settings, the sound with neutral settings must be relatively lacking in mid-range and highs. Apparently plenty of bass though.
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Old 02-29-2012, 06:58 AM
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Thanks BimmerF10UK!!! Your settings are a huge improvement.....I did add a lil bass!!
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Old 03-03-2012, 01:59 PM
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Sounds great I used your settings and added a little bass and sounds so much better.
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Doesn't Naim do the car audio in the Bently or Aston Martin? Saw the previous post, it's Bently. Sirius/XM sounds terrible as the signal is highly compressed. The bit rate is not very high. Of course, I like to listen to SACD's as source material so I'm a bit picky about sound.

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Old 06-10-2012, 03:09 AM
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Well, i will have this done in Jan then; I will have to see about the "burn in period" for speakers also...

I suspect my car will be here around xmas time, and as such I will not be able to tune it until the holidays are over; so I hope to get to this first week in Jan;

I'll make a point of doing a video or something for those interested;

I have also read the manual a few times now, and I can't see anything that says I can adjust the EQ settings for each speaker - it does look like a one-size-fits-all EQ

I talk to by buddy about it; he is game - we are going to use 4 microphones and multiplex the audio - we will test 3 settings

1) Calibration for driver only (With person in seat, as this changes sound)
2) Calibration for driver + Passenger (With people in seat, as this changes sound)
3) Calibration for all for passengers (With people in seat, as this changes sound)

Unless we hear other wise; we will work from the THX reference for sound, which if I understand him correctly will bring all the frequency ranges to the same level; I would however love to hear from any serious audio guys if this is the right approach? it would be nice to build out a methodology before we start testing - in a home audio setup, it can take upwards of 10 hours (speaker by speaker) - while I expect the car one to take less time; it would be nice to have a plan for it all before end of Dec?
Any updates on your final settings for the above 3 scenarios?
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Old 06-11-2012, 02:10 PM
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I'm mostly uninformed on this subject. However, I did find the following settings on an internet search and found them to sound better (to me) that the ones previously listed here:

SETTINGS previously listed::
100Hz -2
200Hz -1
500Hz 0
1KHz +2
2KHz -3
5KHz +4
10KHz +6

TRY THESE SETTINGS:
+3
+6
+9
+7
+6
+5
+7
+9
+11
+8

I really like this new sound. I'm pretty sure I have a regular system in my 645ci.
Hi, the previous settings you reference show 3 fewer values than the new ones below - what do your newer, suggested ones apply to? Thanks in advance. John S.
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Old 06-11-2012, 05:38 PM
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The 2013 5-series will have B&O system (~$3500USD) as an upgrade above the professional (premium) system. I wonder what order of magnitude will the B&O system be over the premium system?
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Old 06-12-2012, 05:41 AM
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if you could give a similar recommendation for normal speaker people like me, that will will be awesome!
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Old 06-12-2012, 06:12 AM
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The 2013 5-series will have B&O system (~$3500USD) as an upgrade above the professional (premium) system. I wonder what order of magnitude will the B&O system be over the premium system?
Different planet… altogether. I've heard a B&O in another car and it is just out of this world. Does blow you away… completely; but I can't say I can justify the £3000 tag. Well worth it, just not for me...
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Different planet… altogether. I've heard a B&O in another car and it is just out of this world. Does blow you away… completely; but I can't say I can justify the £3000 tag. Well worth it, just not for me...
I have heard the $5000 B&O system in the Audi A6 and the $7000 B&O system in the A8, they sound really nice, but no way are they worth $5000 to $7000. I would say the A6's B&O system is on par with Lexus' Mark Levinson reference series which is much cheaper but it doesnt have those cool pop up tweeters.
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I used your settings ! It sounds great that way ! Thanks
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Old 09-16-2012, 01:42 PM
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Thanks bimmerukf10!

I was getting upset at the sound system, your settings made my premium system actually sound like a premium system. - - steve
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I have the B&O system and I used the poster's settings. The sound is significantly improved from what I was using previously! I get that the B&O system is different, but this setup made a big difference for my ears!
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Old 10-11-2012, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by BimmerUKF10 View Post
Before my iDrive started rebooting and became unusable (see iDrive rebooting thread), I spent considerable time playing with the graphic settings trying to get the best from the F10's Professional audio system (think it's called 'Premium' in the US). The settings below give the best overall sound (to my ears at least).

Fader +2 towards rear
Treble +4
Bass 0
Surround off!!!
100Hz -2
200Hz -1
500Hz 0
1KHz +2
2KHz -3
5KHz +4
10KHz +6

The surround just seems to add copious amounts of reverb and wrecks the sound IMO.
I initially set everything up using my ears, then used some sine wave test files with a large diaphram mic who's responce I'm familiar with and an oscilloscope (yes - I'm into audio!). Assuming my calculations were correct, the results were suprisingly flat. My preferred settings have a slight boost around 3Khz, but I like it that way. Makes you wonder why they can't equalise the default settings better.
These settings have made it around the world
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Thanks again BimmerUKF10
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Thanks again BimmerUKF10
Agree. Music is very important to me and while I thought these settings might be overly bright I think they sound fantastic. The quality of the premium system more than surpasses my needs, and I've designed and used audiophile-level home systems.

The key thing for me has been putting an 80 GB iPod classic in the car with all the songs ripped at high bit rate (256-320 Kbps). Compared to this other sources (except CDs, which are too much of a hassle) sound awful (e.g., streamed Pandora or Sirius, though I listen to both). I am even considering buying a larger one and going back to lossless files, which I use exclusively at home. The bottom line is garbage in/garbage out. It always amazes me that people buy high fidelity home or car systems and then exclusively play highly compressed music.
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