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Old 12-18-2010, 06:27 AM
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Dynamic Handling Package question

Not to sound like an idiot, but is the dynamic handling package what puts the car into normal, sport and sport + mode? Or are those modes inherit in the Sport Package. This has posed a bit of confusion for me.

It is my impression that the normal sport and sport + modes are included with the sport package and affect throttle response, while the dynamic handling package only affects the suspension.

Anyone have insight?

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Old 12-18-2010, 06:38 AM
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It is confusing I know, Driving Dynamic handling TMK is "Sport Package".
Adaptive Drive is adjustable suspension I think.
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Old 12-18-2010, 06:43 AM
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Correct, you must order the Dynamic Handling Package to get the Sport, Sport +, Normal setting for the suspension. In the 535i and 550i, this package includes the Adaptive Drive trick suspension. In the 528i, this only includes EDC so the cost is lower.
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Old 12-18-2010, 09:13 AM
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Correct, you must order the Dynamic Handling Package to get the Sport, Sport +, Normal setting for the suspension. In the 535i and 550i, this package includes the Adaptive Drive trick suspension. In the 528i, this only includes EDC so the cost is lower.
Thanks, then this is a "must have", especially in the 528i. I enjoyed sport and sport+.

To me, normal mode = "wife" mode in the 528i.
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Old 12-18-2010, 06:28 PM
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So far everyone is wrong.

The sport package has nothing to do with the transmission or suspension. Nicer wheels, blacked out trim etc.

Sport transmission gives you option to tighten suspension and make the transmission shift faster. You also get paddle shifters and an awesome steering wheel - $500

DHP gives you an even tighter suspension in the form of antiroll. The switch also gets an additional setting of 'comfort' - $1,700

Sport trans is a must. DHP depends on the driver.
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So far everyone is wrong.

The sport package has nothing to do with the transmission or suspension. Nicer wheels, blacked out trim etc.

Sport transmission gives you option to tighten suspension and make the transmission shift faster. You also get paddle shifters and an awesome steering wheel - $500

DHP gives you an even tighter suspension in the form of antiroll. The switch also gets an additional setting of 'comfort' - $1,700

Sport trans is a must. DHP depends on the driver.
Well, I wasn't sure if he wanted the MT or an AT model at first. If one orders the MT, then you have to get DHP OR Integral Active Steering to get the buttons (example), otherwise you don't get the settings.

After verifying with the 5er owner's manual and sales brochure, it does appear that the Sport AT also yields suspension adjustments, although DHP on the 528i gets you the Comfort mode and the Dynamic Dampers.

Whew this is confusing. Basically, there's lot of ways to get the adjustment buttons, but the extent of adjustability and actual suspension will vary.

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Old 12-19-2010, 05:59 AM
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Thanks guys. This answers my question. Yes, I was referring to the sport auto transmission.

You can understand the confusion. It is sort of like my E60 that had sport auto transmission as well as the "sport" button. I could never figure out why I needed the sport button if I could just use the gear shift in sport auto mode and have it shift itself with the same performance.
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So far everyone is wrong.

The sport package has nothing to do with the transmission or suspension. Nicer wheels, blacked out trim etc.

Sport transmission gives you option to tighten suspension and make the transmission shift faster. You also get paddle shifters and an awesome steering wheel - $500

DHP gives you an even tighter suspension in the form of antiroll. The switch also gets an additional setting of 'comfort' - $1,700

Sport trans is a must. DHP depends on the driver.

And you are wrong as well. Almost right.

Sport Auto transmission does not give you the option to tighten the suspension. You MUST get DHP in order to have the adjustable suspension. The literature (manual) is pretty unclear, but the brochure sums it up well:

"Driving Dynamics Control. When equipped with the 8 speed Sport Automatic transmission, you can adjust the 5 Series Sedan's driving characteristics by pressing a button. Choose from three settings: NORMAL, SPORT, and SPORT +, to adjust engine-throttle response, transmission shift characteristics, and power-steering assist. In addition, the traction control feature can be disengaged when driving on sand, gravel, or deep or packed snow."


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"Adaptive Drive. Included in the Dynamic Handling Package, Adaptive Drive combines performance-elevating Active Roll Stabilization (ARS) and ride-enhancing Dynamic Damping Control (DDC)...."
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The sport auto changes the shift points and tightens the steering feel via the electric assist. It does not change the suspension. Only the DHP does that. When you have the sport auto and DHP they work together off the same switch (Comfort, normal, sport, sport+).
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guys, I went to build a 528i on the BMWUSA site and the buttons do not show up next to the gear shift when not opting for the Dynamic Handling Package. So the three modes "normal, sport, and sport+" are only possible when ordering the Dynamic Handling Package.

Although you can switch transmission modes through the sport auto transmission, the suspension does not appear to change without the dynamic handling package with the appearance of the buttons to the left of the gearshift. AND you cannot get the Dynamic Handling Package without the sport package.
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Thanks guys. This answers my question. Yes, I was referring to the sport auto transmission.

You can understand the confusion. It is sort of like my E60 that had sport auto transmission as well as the "sport" button. I could never figure out why I needed the sport button if I could just use the gear shift in sport auto mode and have it shift itself with the same performance.
The "sport" button on my 650i, probably like the one on your E60, also increased the throttle response and increased the steering effort.
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guys, I went to build a 528i on the BMWUSA site and the buttons do not show up next to the gear shift when not opting for the Dynamic Handling Package. So the three modes "normal, sport, and sport+" are only possible when ordering the Dynamic Handling Package.

Although you can switch transmission modes through the sport auto transmission, the suspension does not appear to change without the dynamic handling package with the appearance of the buttons to the left of the gearshift. AND you cannot get the Dynamic Handling Package without the sport package.
Never trust something like that to reflect reality.

I have personally driven two 528i's with the sport auto trans and NO DHP, and the buttons were there and functional.

You're correct in that you cannot change suspension unless you get the DHP.
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Never trust something like that to reflect reality.

I have personally driven two 528i's with the sport auto trans and NO DHP, and the buttons were there and functional.

You're correct in that you cannot change suspension unless you get the DHP.
Thanks for the clarification. The pictures are obviously misleading then. Sorry for the confusion.
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