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Old 12-31-2010, 06:45 AM
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#1. There are NO Lexus SUV's that drive like an X5...As in No, None, Notta, & Zilch! Their just a reliable "Pretty" car!

#2. I dought you have "really" been off road in one. Don't confuse Toyota and Land Cruiser with Lexus. You might want to do a little research about BMW 4WD and Lexus 4WD before you poo poo your Roundel.

#3. Is that your garage or a pic at delivery?
1. Read what I said again. I said better drives not better driving. The comment was made in reference to it being "tough to drive any Lexus after the X5". The LS is a much more luxurious drive. My F is a much more engaging drive. The LX is offroad capable and luxurious as well. The LF A is a whole different supercar. All Lexus', all better drives than the X5.

2. As was already pointed out, the LX is Land Cruiser based. You might want to do some research before commenting.

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Posting an opinion is one thing. Calling a brand that outsells BMW in NA a pos is lame. Calling Lexus "inferior" is major fail. Like them or not, Lexus is a major player in the luxury market.
Lexus might be your cup of tea and they "seem" to make a reliable toaster, although lately we've come to find out that the toaster might not be all that reliable with unintended accelaration and all. That said, you do realize you're paying near BMW prices for a Toyota? All Lexi (I guess that's the plural of Lexus; and what is a Lexus anyway?) are built on Toyota platforms and use Toyota bin parts. They ARE inferior to BMW no matter how many dufi (that's the plural of dufus) buy them.

Now do you think that Toyota puts expensive luxury parts in Camry's or cheaper Camry parts in Lexi?????
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Lexus might be your cup of tea and they "seem" to make a reliable toaster, although lately we've come to find out that the toaster might not be all that reliable with unintended accelaration and all. That said, you do realize you're paying near BMW prices for a Toyota? All Lexi (I guess that's the plural of Lexus; and what is a Lexus anyway?) are built on Toyota platforms and use Toyota bin parts. They ARE inferior to BMW no matter how many dufi (that's the plural of dufus) buy them.

Now do you think that Toyota puts expensive luxury parts in Camry's or cheaper Camry parts in Lexi?????
Well, we're taking this way off-topic and in danger of derailing someone's thread discussing their pleasure with their new car, but I'll bite. BMW has absolutely nothing that comes even remotely close to the LF-A. Some may question the wisdom of Lexus trying to sell a $375K car but every one of them did. Toyota/Lexus had the balls and the engineering ability to build a car that can play in the supercar space, BMW to date has not. Lexus developed a V10 engine that can rev from zero to 9000 RPM in around half a second, it is an astonishing powerplant - BMW has nothing, in its M engines or otherwise, that can compete. The LF-A is a fantastic car.

Lexus outsells BMW in the US, and it builds a much more reliable car than BMW. The unintended acceleration issue has of course proven to have been largely bogus. A media-fired storm in a tea cup. BMW's issues, such as the HPFP and its worse than industry average placing in most major reliability surveys are, however, very real. The LF-A and the IS-F aside, Lexus chooses to focus on the less sporty side of the equation and the marketplace seems to embrace their products. We are, after all, talking about the company that with the original LS400 completely blindsided BMW and MB by building a car that was considerably better engineered than anything the two storied German marques offered at the time.
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Lexus might be your cup of tea and they "seem" to make a reliable toaster, although lately we've come to find out that the toaster might not be all that reliable with unintended accelaration and all. That said, you do realize you're paying near BMW prices for a Toyota? All Lexi (I guess that's the plural of Lexus; and what is a Lexus anyway?) are built on Toyota platforms and use Toyota bin parts. They ARE inferior to BMW no matter how many dufi (that's the plural of dufus) buy them.

Now do you think that Toyota puts expensive luxury parts in Camry's or cheaper Camry parts in Lexi?????
The badge whores are strong in this thread.

Actually, both of our Lexus' were significantly less than the BMW's. The F was $15K cheaper than a similar M3 up here and the RX was roughly $20K cheaper than our current X5.

And no, Lexus' are not all built from parts straight out of the Toyota parts bin. Of course, they share some parts but your suggestion that they are just Toyotas is simply laughable and shows your lack of true car knowledge.

Hilarious how insecure some BMW owners are when it comes to discussing other brands.
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1. Read what I said again. I said better drives not better driving. The comment was made in reference to it being "tough to drive any Lexus after the X5". The LS is a much more luxurious drive. My F is a much more engaging drive. The LX is offroad capable and luxurious as well. The LF A is a whole different supercar. All Lexus', all better drives than the X5.

2. As was already pointed out, the LX is Land Cruiser based. You might want to do some research before commenting.

3. That is a pic at delivery.
Hey Alberta... Here's my research. I have owned a Toyota Tacoma 4X4, 4-Runner Limited, and a Land Cruiser Limited, "all moded"! I have Driven them in the Hills of SD, the Upper Peninsula of MI, the Hill Country of Texas, And the Desert of UAE...ALL OFF ROAD! The 4-runner is the best all around and the Land Cruiser is it's Heavy fat cousin.

I'm well aware of what chassis is on what.

Toyota's Traction control sucks, the time it takes the system to think and react is forever, the limited slip is marginal, and wheel well space for an adequate tire is limited on the Land Cruiser. The increased weight of the Lexus makes all of these problems even more exaggerated, but Toyota doesn't care because they know the owners are generally Sally's!

On dry highway at 80mph, there a handful in winds, and your at the mercy of other traffic due to the lack of power and agility. At hr 10 of the trip, your exhausted.

I don't consider the BMW to be an off road vehicle, but if I went off road I would smoke a Lexus! The traction control, AWD capabilities, & Pwr transfer front to rear are all light years ahead of what the Lexus has. BMW brought this over from Land Rover. You said "the LX was much more off road capable than the X5", and you my friend are full of ****!

The only terrain left is paved roads and gravel roads, and we all know who would smoke who.

This is a board full of Nazi Roundel owners....the Sally Lexus Board is down the hall to the Rt...please!

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That's a fairly dumb statement on your part. I buy BMWs, and lots of them, because they are made from...wait for it BMW parts and BMW chassis not some cheaper brand. I expect excellence, not lip service and re-badging!!!

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Actually, both of our Lexus' were significantly less than the BMW's. The F was $15K cheaper than a similar M3 up here and the RX was roughly $20K cheaper than our current X5.
They are cheaper for a reason (can you say true engineering). How in the World can you compare one of the World's greatest drives, the M3, to a souped up Corolla or an RX to an X5 for that matter. BTW, did you buy an X5?

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Sure they are, look at the switch gear, same transmissions, same engines, etc. In fact, you probably don't know -- but should -- than until just a couple of years ago the LS 400 was the TOYOTA LS 400 over in Europe. Only in North America, where YOU badge whores live, are consumers dumb enough to buy a Toyota and pay premium prices.

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Funny, I would say that about you and Lexus owners, except that in your case it would be true.
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In fact, you probably don't know -- but should -- than until just a couple of years ago the LS 400 was the TOYOTA LS 400 over in Europe. Only in North America, where YOU badge whores live, are consumers dumb enough to buy a Toyota and pay premium prices.
Not true. The LS was sold as a Toyota in Japan only. It was sold as a Lexus in all other markets. The reason the LS400 was sold as a Toyota Celsior in Japan is actually a pretty reasonable one - the Lexus brand didn't exist in Japan until 2005...
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That's a fairly dumb statement on your part. I buy BMWs, and lots of them, because they are made from...wait for it BMW parts and BMW chassis not some cheaper brand. I expect excellence, not lip service and re-badging!!!
You would expect poor reliablility, terrible interiors and technology as well looking at your previous list of BMW's. You clearly define what a brand whore is all about. It's just a BMW. There are many other great car manufacturer's out there that you have chosen to avoid. Your money, your choice. I'm not close minded enough to only look at one brand over and over.

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They are cheaper for a reason (can you say true engineering). How in the World can you compare one of the World's greatest drives, the M3, to a souped up Corolla or an RX to an X5 for that matter. BTW, did you buy an X5?
Your reading comprehension is obviously quite poor. I chose the X5 35d for my new SUV and had an E53 4.4 prior to that. I am fully aware of what an X5 is all about. My father also had the original 3.0 when it first came out and is now in an X6. Had a 325is as well.

The X5 handles better than the RX for sure. Interior capacity is a wash. Exterior is subjective. Interior also subjective, but imo the RX is better. The X5 has more power and is faster. Should be for the extra +$20K.

You can keep throwing your Toyota jabs all you want. Are you even aware that the '11 IS F is as fast as the M3 in a straight line AND around a track now? The M3 wore Pilot Cups and not the stock PS2's that the F ran.

Just curious what BMW's answer to the LF A is???

Oh that's right, they've never had a true supercar. (And no the M1 doesn't count as it was a Lambo car that BMW saved financially).


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Sure they are, look at the switch gear, same transmissions, same engines, etc. In fact, you probably don't know -- but should -- than until just a couple of years ago the LS 400 was the TOYOTA LS 400 over in Europe. Only in North America, where YOU badge whores live, are consumers dumb enough to buy a Toyota and pay premium prices.
As pointed out already by another member you have zero clue what you're talking about. Just curious what Toyotas Lexus got their 8 speed tranny and my 5.0 from???

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My sig isn't the one with a bunch of old BMW's in it. I also have a Benz and a Lexus in addition to my X5. Probably looking at a Porsche, F10 M5 or S class next go round. They're just cars. BMW makes some good ones but so do several other companies.

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ok, I'll add my 2 cents....I don't know about the RX or LX, but I owned a 2008 GX 470 that really was good, right down to the 4 wd. Drove nice and plush on the roads, too 'tippy' for me. The X5 handles leaps and bounds over it. I liked the GX, but love the X5. The old gen GX is very popular and alot of people want to find them used today compared to the new gen. Also, I paid low 50's loaded right down to the Mark Levinson system. Compare that to my new X5 35d that cost 73k MSRP before discounts. Do more women prefer the Lexus, probably, but not this one! Also, wasn't there a thread about more women driving the X5????

To the OP, ex-lex, your going to love your new vehicle! I would bet the service after the sale is not anything like they do at Lexus, but enjoy!
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Ok, Lexus are nice cars, but compared to BMW they are boring milk crates on wheels. Luxurious? Sure. Sometimes even more luxurious than BMW! But it's still a glorified Toyota. Pick any BMW car at any level, find a comparable Lexus, put them on a track, you tell me who spanks who every time? Lol

True there's this almighty LFA, which spanks anything and everything less than an Enzo, but it's purely a marketing gimmick, nothing more. Any manufacturer can spend a fourtune to produce a handful of supercars, to what? To improve their brand? No need for BMW to pull this trick as each and every car they produce is a better performer. For instance, tell toyota...... Er Lexus to cut costs and to build a performance car spending the same amount as what BMW would spend to build the M3, we are comparing apples with apples now, right? You tell me that the M3 does not manhandle the Lexus with it's eyes closed. Lol again, sorry Canadian, your Lexus lose.
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Just curious what BMW's answer to the LF A is???

Oh that's right, they've never had a true supercar. (And no the M1 doesn't count as it was a Lambo car that BMW saved financially).


Why would BMW want an answer to the LF A? That car is basically a science experiment to promote the brand and convince people that a Lexus can be a sports car. Lexus loses massive amounts of money on each one that is sold (all 500 of them that are being made). I guess you could say that BMW's "answer" is decades of Formula One racing (until 2009). Personally, for the same amount of money I would opt for getting a Ferrari 599 plus an X5.
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Ok, Lexus are nice cars, but compared to BMW they are boring milk crates on wheels. Luxurious? Sure. Sometimes even more luxurious than BMW! But it's still a glorified Toyota. Pick any BMW car at any level, find a comparable Lexus, put them on a track, you tell me who spanks who every time? Lol

True there's this almighty LFA, which spanks anything and everything less than an Enzo, but it's purely a marketing gimmick, nothing more. Any manufacturer can spend a fourtune to produce a handful of supercars, to what? To improve their brand? No need for BMW to pull this trick as each and every car they produce is a better performer. For instance, tell toyota...... Er Lexus to cut costs and to build a performance car spending the same amount as what BMW would spend to build the M3, we are comparing apples with apples now, right? You tell me that the M3 does not manhandle the Lexus with it's eyes closed. Lol again, sorry Canadian, your Lexus lose.
Pretty specious logic, IMHO. BMW and Toyota both pour a boatload into creating "halo" cars. The primary difference in my mind is that BMW has traditionally chosen to show off its performance prowess competing mano-a-mano on the race track, whereas the LFA is designed to build brand image among magazine writers and schoolboys.

Both approaches are valid. One could argue that the engineering from BMW's race cars trickles down to production cars, and declare BMW the winner. However, I know a whole bunch of folks who would have been much happier having BMW spend the $$$ designing a functional HPFP, rather than throwing it down that sinkhole called Formula 1.

Some on this board may find it hard to fathom, but there are actually folks who don't care one bit about handling, and greatly prefer the sybaritic pleasures of a Lexus. My business partner is one. For him it's the perfect car. That doesn't make him "wrong", just "different".

Choice is good - it means that there are brands which cater to enthusiasts, and others that cater to non-enthusiasts. What purpose would be served by having all manufacturers target the same exact demographic? If all manufacturers built cars to the same recipe, what makes you think it would be "our" recipe? Do we really want to have a market place full of the 21st century equivalent of the Lada? (It might be a Buick or a Lexus, but it probably wouldn't be a BMW).

The real pity is when BMW tries to gain market share by making cars like the F10 more Lexus like. But that's a topic for another day (and another forum).

BTW Here's a theory I am working on. Some folks have a garage full of BMW's because they genuinely prefer the cars over the competition. But there are others (fanbois) who buy BMW's because they can't spell any other brand. I am starting to feel some on this thread fall into the later category.
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Ok, Lexus are nice cars, but compared to BMW they are boring milk crates on wheels. Luxurious? Sure. Sometimes even more luxurious than BMW! But it's still a glorified Toyota. Pick any BMW car at any level, find a comparable Lexus, put them on a track, you tell me who spanks who every time? Lol

True there's this almighty LFA, which spanks anything and everything less than an Enzo, but it's purely a marketing gimmick, nothing more. Any manufacturer can spend a fourtune to produce a handful of supercars, to what? To improve their brand? No need for BMW to pull this trick as each and every car they produce is a better performer. For instance, tell toyota...... Er Lexus to cut costs and to build a performance car spending the same amount as what BMW would spend to build the M3, we are comparing apples with apples now, right? You tell me that the M3 does not manhandle the Lexus with it's eyes closed. Lol again, sorry Canadian, your Lexus lose.
More typical fanboi comments from an uninformed member.

You want to talk about brand improvement and growth? You do realize that the '11 IS F is as fast in a straight line and around a track as the almighty M3. It's actually likely even faster as the M3 time was achieved with Pilot Sport Cups where the F time was with OEM PS2's. Even mine is as fast in a straight line and while it may be slightyly slower when bench racing....in the real world it's fast enough to be a driver's race.

Lexus has proven with the LF A and the IS F that they are capable of doing luxury and performance at the top level as well. Guess that's why there seems to be so much insecurity here.

You guys are hilarious.

Having to disparage other brands to feel better about your own purchases is laughable. Way to go you bought the best car on the planet. They're just cars people. I don't know why it's so difficult for many on the BMW forums to discuss competitor vehicles on their merits and acknowledge and respect them for what they are. Buy what you want, but no, BMW doesn't make the very best vehicle in every category for everyone's preferences.
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Pretty specious logic, IMHO. BMW and Toyota both pour a boatload into creating "halo" cars. The primary difference in my mind is that BMW has traditionally chosen to show off its performance prowess competing mano-a-mano on the race track, whereas the LFA is designed to build brand image among magazine writers and schoolboys.

Both approaches are valid. One could argue that the engineering from BMW's race cars trickles down to production cars, and declare BMW the winner. However, I know a whole bunch of folks who would have been much happier having BMW spend the $$$ designing a functional HPFP, rather than throwing it down that sinkhole called Formula 1.

Some on this board may find it hard to fathom, but there are actually folks who don't care one bit about handling, and greatly prefer the sybaritic pleasures of a Lexus. My business partner is one. For him it's the perfect car. That doesn't make him "wrong", just "different".

Choice is good - it means that there are brands which cater to enthusiasts, and others that cater to non-enthusiasts. What purpose would be served by having all manufacturers target the same exact demographic? If all manufacturers built cars to the same recipe, what makes you think it would be "our" recipe? Do we really want to have a market place full of the 21st century equivalent of the Lada? (It might be a Buick or a Lexus, but it probably wouldn't be a BMW).

The real pity is when BMW tries to gain market share by making cars like the F10 more Lexus like. But that's a topic for another day (and another forum).

BTW Here's a theory I am working on. Some folks have a garage full of BMW's because they genuinely prefer the cars over the competition. But there are others (fanbois) who buy BMW's because they can't spell any other brand. I am starting to feel some on this thread fall into the later category.
Great post, especially your theory.
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Still don't know if that's your garage... interesting thread; sometimes the garage question was more interesting...

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Is that his garage?

If it is, I'd sure like to see the rest of that house, even "Holmes on Homes" would love that!


LOL.

No...that's a pic at delivery. Picked it up in mid-January which meant this would be the only totally clean pic for several months.
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Ok Rocky, I see that you have a nice and divers stable of rides, BMW, Benz and the Lex F. So you are not the typical Lexus softy, I will give you that. What I was trying to say was if Toyota spent a billion dollars (for a lack of real figure) in R&D and to produce the LFA, the same billion dollars will more or less yield the same car if it was given to Nissan or BMW or Kia, given all major players are so multinational in their management and design teams to begin with. So when Toyota comes out with such a car it doesn't mean that Toyota is special, all it meant was it has the funds to do so. So the LFA does not prove anything, at least not to me.

Secondly fan boy or not, what do you expect to hear in Yankee stadium? Go Red Socks? LMFAO.
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Why would any self-respecting Red Sox fan go to bland, characterless Yankee Stadium - especially since that means being surrounded by a bunch of (shudder) New Yawkers? Fenway is a MUCH better place to take in a game (can't wait for opening day 2011!)
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Ok Rocky, I see that you have a nice and divers stable of rides, BMW, Benz and the Lex F. So you are not the typical Lexus softy, I will give you that. What I was trying to say was if Toyota spent a billion dollars (for a lack of real figure) in R&D and to produce the LFA, the same billion dollars will more or less yield the same car if it was given to Nissan or BMW or Kia, given all major players are so multinational in their management and design teams to begin with. So when Toyota comes out with such a car it doesn't mean that Toyota is special, all it meant was it has the funds to do so. So the LFA does not prove anything, at least not to me.

Secondly fan boy or not, what do you expect to hear in Yankee stadium? Go Red Socks? LMFAO.
Fair enough man.

We will have to agree to disagree regarding the LF A, as many of it's characteristics are truly game changing. How many manufacturers have been able to compete admirably with Ferrari and Lambo on their very first attempt at a supercar?

It's not like I ever said I don't like BMW's...lol. I'm on my second X5 and have been around them for the the better part of 20 years now.
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Why would any self-respecting Red Sox fan go to bland, characterless Yankee Stadium - especially since that means being surrounded by a bunch of (shudder) New Yawkers? Fenway is a MUCH better place to take in a game (can't wait for opening day 2011!)
Boston is barely the 7th borough of NY right after the state of Florida. The only thing it's got going at the moment is the celtics, oh but wait, isnt Rondo out and Garnett just injured himself? While the trio from Miami is destroying everything in its path? I know, I know, the Knicks still suck.

A big to Rocky from the land of the maple leaves. you my friend earned respect by riding in a F and not the ES!
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[QUOTE=0428;5735939]Boston is barely the 7th borough of NY right after the state of Florida. The only thing it's got going at the moment is the celtics, oh but wait, isnt Rondo out and Garnett just injured himself? While the trio from Miami is destroying everything in its path? I know, I know, the Knicks still suck.

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Guess you are forgetting about the Pats. But I don't blame you - if our head coach was a foot fetishist, I think I'd "forget" about football, too.

A bit tougher to compare the Bruins and the Rangers and Islanders, since they are in different divisions. (Boston's sitting atop the Northeast, while your teams are 3rd and 4th in the Atlantic).

But don't feel too bad - you've still got Dick Clark and Ryan Seacrest, eh?
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