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E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 10-05-2013, 08:06 AM
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What's your opinion: BMW Service Bulletin 00 01 13, Attachment 5

This has been posted on other BMW forums as well.

In an innocuous attachment to a BMW service information bulletin, the company reversed course 180 degrees and authorized something at least closer to a viable maintenance schedule for longer vehicle service life. BMW Service Information Bulletin 00 01 13 is actually a routine annual update entitled New Vehicle Preparation and Maintenance Requirements. BMW puts out a similar SIB for each new model year, and has done so for quite some time.

This year’s version was updated in July 2013, with the update including an Attachment 5:

2014 model year vehicles built prior to July 2013 utilized a 15,000 mile/24 month engine oil Condition Based Service (CBS) interval. This interval is triggered by the presence of option code 8KC.

All 2014 model year vehicles produced as of July 2013 will incorporate a new basic interval for the engine oil service. The new CBS interval is every 10,000 miles or 12 months (option code 8KL). The 10,000 mile interval pertains to the gasoline as well as the new diesel-fueled engines of the 328d and 535d.

The Key Reader/ISPA Light application will recognize the production month and/or the respective option code, and specify the corresponding interval and its related maintenance operations.

BMW vehicles’ CBS computes the actual optimum maintenance requirements based not only upon the accumulated mileage, but also taking into account important factors pertaining to fuel consumption such as high or low engine engine speeds, shot to long-trip driving.? Such computations can result in variation’s from the 10,000 mile interval and correspondingly, when an engine oil service will actually display”Recommended” or “Due.


In Attachment 5 BMW states that "The Key ReaderflSPA Light application will recognize the production month ... and specify the corresponding interval and its related maintenance operations." This means that the shortened maintenance intervals apply only to BMWs produced from July 2013 on. They are not retroactive to BMWs produced before July 2013.

My opinion: Remember, it's your car; you can maintain it however you want to, as long you are willing to pay for it yourself ... The world would be a better place if BMW put drain plugs back in differentials and made them accessible without drama.
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Old 10-05-2013, 02:11 PM
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My opinion?

I don't care what BMW has to say about maintenance.

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Old 10-05-2013, 02:58 PM
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I don`t think BMW removed drain plugs for engine oil on the 2014s or even before (how else would u change the oil). Transfer and diff cases come as sealed so I think u mean that.

This doesnt affect my way of thought. On my cars, I run a highly conservative oil change. If it was designed with dino in mind, 3k. If it was designed with synthetic in mind 6k.

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Old 10-05-2013, 03:49 PM
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My opinion?

I don't care what BMW has to say about maintenance.

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OK. But you say that because you own ... what if you leased?
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Old 10-05-2013, 03:51 PM
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I don`t think BMW removed drain plugs for engine oil on the 2014s or even before (how else would u change the oil). Transfer and diff cases come as sealed so I think u mean that.

This doesnt affect my way of thought. On my cars, I run a highly conservative oil change. If it was designed with dino in mind, 3k. If it was designed with synthetic in mind 6k.

Good find nevertheless Pax5! you seem to be on a role recently with good finds!
Correct! Thanks for pointing that out ... made the correction.

And thanks for the compliment.
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if I leased I'd do what the dashboard told me, nothing more.
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Does anyone have a link to the actual bulletin? Google isn't coming up with it. Thanks.
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Old 11-14-2013, 08:43 AM
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What's your opinion: BMW Service Bulletin 00 01 13, Attachment 5

I am old fashioned. All lubricants and filters need to be changed. Engine oil get contaminated with water, unburnt fuel, metal, etc. Transmission fluid has the debris from the clutches, diff & transfer cases from metal.

It just makes sense to change all of them regularly. My X5 is 2 years old with 12k miles. It has had 5 oil and filter changes (1 was done as soon as I got home from Performance Center Delivery) and the tranny fluid was changed. At 4 years or earlier, I will do the tranny fluid and filter and the diffs and transfer case.

It's just preventive maintenance. I own my vehicles and I drive them all hard. I also take good care of them.

Plus, the garage is a place to relax and unwind. I enjoy showing my 5 and 7 year olds how to take care of things.


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Old 11-15-2013, 08:55 AM
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I believe it has to do with BMW turbocharging everything and dealing with the extra heat and cooling the turbo now. I was wondering how they can keep the same intervals as NA engines. I know oils came a long way, but the heat is always something to consider and deal with. Why didnt they include previous models, who knows. But I remember reading some information a few years back that this was being analyzed by them, especially when numerous turbos and other items spiked under warranty. They are looking at a cheaper option of replacing lubricants instead of repairing parts. Having said that, I stick to my 5 - 7500 interval. I'd like to see the claims for warranty work after this schedule in 2 years. Additionally, before their CBS idea, fluids were always changed in much shorter intervals. Funny how they went to CBS and "free maintenance" selling and promoting their cars on this, that the intervals also went up. Hmmm.. Just my thoughts...
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2 yrs and 12k miles and 5 oil changes - are you planning to keep the car for 100+ years?

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I am old fashioned. All lubricants and filters need to be changed. Engine oil get contaminated with water, unburnt fuel, metal, etc. Transmission fluid has the debris from the clutches, diff & transfer cases from metal.

It just makes sense to change all of them regularly. My X5 is 2 years old with 12k miles. It has had 5 oil and filter changes (1 was done as soon as I got home from Performance Center Delivery) and the tranny fluid was changed. At 4 years or earlier, I will do the tranny fluid and filter and the diffs and transfer case.

It's just preventive maintenance. I own my vehicles and I drive them all hard. I also take good care of them.

Plus, the garage is a place to relax and unwind. I enjoy showing my 5 and 7 year olds how to take care of things.


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Old 11-15-2013, 10:17 AM
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BMW recommends changing the oil every 30k km in Europe. There are new BMW models which have 600-800k km on odometers so it does not kill the engine. If the engine can survive 500k km on less frequent oil changes it is fine for me. I am not planning to keep the car that long anyway. BMW changes my oil every 11k miles in the US - I am happy with it.
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Old 11-15-2013, 10:41 AM
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2 yrs and 12k miles and 5 oil changes - are you planning to keep the car for 100+ years?
I keep most of my vehicles for 7-10 years. With 4 vehicles, I buy a new one every 2 years or so. 5 oil changes and filters may sound excessive; but, my type of driving (very short start and stop) and engine type (twin turbo) really lean toward an very short oil change interval.

The vast majority of my trips are under 2 miles. The truck sees a large number of short start/stop cycles. During the winter, these cycles are done in below freezing conditions. These are all things that allow fuel and water to build up in the oil. I do make an effort to run the X5 for 2 minutes or so before shut down any time I really beat on it.

The oil changes were:
1 - ~750 miles Aug 2011 - Break in period
2 - 3500 miles Mar 2012 - break in complete & end of winter
3 - 6000 miles Aug 2012 - BMW annual freebie
4 - 9500 miles Mar 2013 - end of winter
5 - 12000 miles Nov 2013 - BMW freebie

If I drove more, I would probably move to a ~5k mile oil change. In general, every vehicle I own gets an oil change before winter (using the lightest viscosity oil spec'd) and a change in the spring when I take off the snow tires.
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[QUOTE=kanar200;7958595]There are new BMW models which have 600-800k km on odometers

New models? 20k mile intervals, original motors, 500k MILES?????????

(I converted KM to miles, roughly)


Interested to hear a source.

Original tranny too?

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sure, no problem

mobile.de is the source - currently I see F10 535d 2011 with 620k km. The other day I saw E60 530d with 800k km. There are many between 300-400k km. 90%+ car owners in Europe do not care about changing the oil more frequent than recommended.

I assume the tranny is mostly original unless tuned in the meantime (only E39 530d with GM tranny was problematic, E60 and F10 have ZF tranny)

http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat...Mileage=150000
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sure, no problem

mobile.de is the source - currently I see F10 535d 2011 with 620k km. The other day I saw E60 530d with 800k km. There are many between 300-400k km. 90%+ car owners in Europe do not care about changing the oil more frequent than recommended.

I assume the tranny is mostly original unless tuned in the meantime (only E39 530d with GM tranny was problematic, E60 and F10 have ZF tranny)

http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat...Mileage=150000
I wonder if there is a typo in that ad. Assuming that car is 3 years old to the day, it would have covered 566km per day every day. At an optimistic 100km/hr, that's 5.6 hours a day, with a more realistic 80km/hr that's 7 hours a day behind the wheel every day. The oldest it could would be 3.5 years old if it were one it the first ones to roll off the assembly lines, so I wonder if the km in the ad is accurate (maybe an extra zero slipped in.)

I am not saying diesels in Europe are not covering enormous distances. I was born and raised in France where 55% of cars sold are diesels. Several of my cousins all have beater Peugeot 407's and 607's none of which has less than 250k km. The newest car I can recall a cousin having is a 308hdi with the 150hp motor with only 50k and that was actually a very pleasant car to drive - not so much to look at.
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^^ At first I though mobile.de was going to be a Mobil 1 site, where they showcase 2 ultra high mileage cars.... but when I saw what it was, I didnt bother to look.

Im just going to reiterate that car manufacturers may be using criterai OTHER than "what is best for THIS SPECIFIC MOTOR" when they make OCI recommendations...things like 'our customer is only the first buyer' and 'expected original buyers ownership period" and "impact on the envirniment of used motor oil" are considerations that can work counter to 'what is best for this motor to reach 200k+'
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Re: What's your opinion: BMW Service Bulletin 00 01 13, Attachment 5

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I wonder if there is a typo in that ad...
Judging by the asking price, it is a typo.
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mobile.de is one of the best German websites to look for used cars

I used this only to show that that following (even European) BMW oil change recommendations wont kill the engine in short time. I agree that probably when you change the oil more frequent does not hurt and will improve the engine condition in long run. However, what is going to happen after 400-500k km does not bother me at all.

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^^ At first I though mobile.de was going to be a Mobil 1 site, where they showcase 2 ultra high mileage cars.... but when I saw what it was, I didnt bother to look.

Im just going to reiterate that car manufacturers may be using criterai OTHER than "what is best for THIS SPECIFIC MOTOR" when they make OCI recommendations...things like 'our customer is only the first buyer' and 'expected original buyers ownership period" and "impact on the envirniment of used motor oil" are considerations that can work counter to 'what is best for this motor to reach 200k+'
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Do you know what was the new car price? IMO there is no typo. This is a business car not a private car. No problem to drive 500 km per day for a car where you have 3 full time drivers every day.

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It says right there - ~€ 98,400. Not sure why it matter, though, since my point was for 45k euro there's plenty with 80-90k on odo.
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It does not matter how many you see with 80-90k on odo for the same money since the market in Germany is a bit different than the market in the US. There are many cars "with corrected" odos, renewed service books, etc. As an example, when I was looking for my 530d a few years ago it took me five months to find the right one.
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