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X5 E70 (2007 - 2013)
E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 01-09-2011, 05:03 PM
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anyone having trouble in the snow???

my tires are aggressive, they shoot snow out 10-15 feet when smashing through to clear the treads....However the car seems to spin out constantly.

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Driving on the road, right tires on snow left on pavement. Go into a slight turn and the car wants to do a 360....the problem is the car losses traction and the RPMs spike to 6k on normal pressure to make up which causes the back to give out.

Just seems like the car wants to spin out and its easy to correct don't get me wrong.....but it feels so unsafe in the snow. Straight aways its fine...but even the slightest turn makes me feel as if I will fly off into the woods.



Anyone else with a 50i have this problem? Seems like it revs hard in the snow which causes wheels to spin out.


Should I drive with DSC off?
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Old 01-09-2011, 05:07 PM
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Do you have Winter tires? High HP without Winter tires often makes vehicles difficult to drive in winter.
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Old 01-09-2011, 05:34 PM
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Do you have Winter tires? High HP without Winter tires often makes vehicles difficult to drive in winter.
19 inch Mich. I believe all season.....they are good, but I feel its the throttle problem causing me to do a 360.

Just saw a video of an x5m on a snow course doing the same thing meant to be "fun" but not too fun when you have a cliff on the edge lol

EDIT: they are run flats.
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Old 01-09-2011, 06:50 PM
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Without winter tires, you're not going to get much grip, and spinning out is the likely result.

Turning off DSC will allow more wheel spin, not less - I think you're seeing the throttle spike because the car cuts power to the wheels when they slip, and you're effectively in neutral.
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Old 01-09-2011, 07:00 PM
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I have 18" Michellin RFT A/S on 35D, and traction in snow is not good. Turning at very slow speed on light amount of snow (2-3 inches) will loose traction and make traction control engage. My previous car was e46 coupe with snow tires in winter, and now I know how good it was in snow compared to X5 with A/S. I didn't expect A/S to perform as good as snow tires on rear wheel drive, but certainly didn't expect it to be this bad.
I thought I definitely wouldn't need snow tires on X5 and save hassle of changing tires twice a year, since I got 18" A/S (the main reason I didn't upgrade to 19 or 20) with X drive on 5000 lbs vehicle. I think I can get by without snow tires as long as I drive very slowly/carefully, but don't have the level of confidence that I had with e46 with snow anymore, not even close. I wouldn't want to drive in anything more than 3-4 inches with these tires.

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Old 01-09-2011, 07:32 PM
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http://www.tirerack.com/videos/index...=23&tab=winter

You need winter tire!
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Old 01-09-2011, 07:59 PM
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should i drive with dsc off?
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Old 01-09-2011, 08:56 PM
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I may need winter tires.
3" of snow in ATL
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Old 01-09-2011, 09:02 PM
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I have 18" Michellin RFT A/S on 35D, and traction in snow is not good. Turning at very slow speed on light amount of snow (2-3 inches) will loose traction and make traction control engage. My previous car was e46 coupe with snow tires in winter, and now I know how good it was in snow compared to X5 with A/S. I didn't expect A/S to perform as good as snow tires on rear wheel drive, but certainly didn't expect it to be this bad.
I thought I definitely wouldn't need snow tires on X5 and save hassle of changing tires twice a year, since I got 18" A/S (the main reason I didn't upgrade to 19 or 20) with X drive on 5000 lbs vehicle. I think I can get by without snow tires as long as I drive very slowly/carefully, but don't have the level of confidence that I had with e46 with snow anymore, not even close. I wouldn't want to drive in anything more than 3-4 inches with these tires.
I was driving in 8+ inches with my all seasons. Starting...stopping etc are perfect its the corners I am worried about. I tested it on unplowed hills climbed no problem, but whenever I hit a turn its quite scary.

So snow tires really make the difference eh?

EDIT: Snow tires drastically impact performance on dry roads/ice..........I guess the All Seasons are adequate in terms off I can't hit 100+ in snow tires

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Old 01-09-2011, 09:48 PM
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I've got the Pirelli snowtires, and they feel great on dry pavement - I think they're rated for 130mph, recommended for use on the Cayenne. I had some snow tires on my old TSX that were definitely "squishy", but I didn't notice any difference in feel with these.

The performance snow tires aren't quite as spectacular in snow/ice as some of the other ones, but work much better than all seasons, and are great in the dry.
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Old 01-09-2011, 11:27 PM
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Old 01-10-2011, 01:34 AM
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There must be reason for manual shift
Use it before going into corners
How to use it you ask?
Well, upshift to higher gear up.

DONOT Downshift!!

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Old 01-10-2011, 06:05 AM
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Agree on the poor traction in the snow. I just returned from a trip to Vermont and was starting to wonder if the X-5 was actually all-wheel drive as it was a big sled in the snow. My former Acura MDX was much better in the snow with the all season tires. Never needed to switch to winter tires on the MDX but may have to on the X-5.
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Old 01-10-2011, 07:45 AM
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I stand corrected tried my first car with snow tires today and FORD RANGER 2001 or something.

Brand new snow tires and yes it felt glued the road. The reason why x5 isn't amazing in the snow(its fun lol) is because of the all season. However I leased so no sense in buying them I just have to be careful.


BUT ANYONE THINKING ABOUT GETTING PROPER SNOW TIRES!! You have my approval they are worth it (however they suck on dry pavement as I suspected).
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Old 01-10-2011, 07:51 AM
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Winter tires make a difference. Often folks don't think they're worth the expense until the first fender bender or encounter with a stationary object.

I tried out my pop's X5 xDrive35d in on a lightly-snow-covered road. It had trouble stopping and wasn't very much fun; it's easy to kick the tail out but hard to rein the 2,5 ton beast back in. The rear-drive 325i with snow tires was more entertaining and controllable.
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Old 01-10-2011, 08:11 AM
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i use winter setup on all of my cars, from sport car to SUV. normally they are around $1400 to $1800 per set with rims and shipping from tirerack or discountedtires. Depends on the size you are getting.
I ebay them off, after 36 mo's of the lease period. most people will buy it around half of the price from the purchase price if you keep the tires and wheels in great condition. the total cost for 3 to 4 seasons of usage is about $200 to $250 per year. is worth to use winter setup in snow area! one repair bill can cost you lot more, plus the increase of the ins bill!
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Old 01-10-2011, 08:25 AM
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Winter tires make a difference. Often folks don't think they're worth the expense until the first fender bender or encounter with a stationary object.

I tried out my pop's X5 xDrive35d in on a lightly-snow-covered road. It had trouble stopping and wasn't very much fun; it's easy to kick the tail out but hard to rein the 2,5 ton beast back in. The rear-drive 325i with snow tires was more entertaining and controllable.
for me stopping/accelerating is perfect on the all seasons. Its just turning which gets out of control. Those brand new snow tires I had one really dug into the snow and did feel like I was stuck to the road.


^^^ Yes I put it in manual sometimes, but when in m5 and I take a corner it down shifts causing the wheels to spin out and rpm spike (not what I need lol)
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Old 01-10-2011, 08:46 AM
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On my 07, I had 19" all seasons and yes you can get around just fine but putting the 19" scorpion ice&snow just like my old E53 makes the car feel like it is on wet roads in the snow. As for starting on the stock all seasons, the computer makes that happen but I have to greatly disagree with the stopping. HUGE HUGE difference with winter tires. I had my 545 in for the brake recall and my SA gave me a x5 for a loaner with all seasons. We had 1/2 inch of snow and my first stop was a white knuckler. The all seasons were giving the antilock a fit and was very slow to stop. I just drove my 545 in on the same conditions with snow tires and my antilock did not engage once. I will never own a BMW without winter/summer setup.
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Old 01-10-2011, 09:08 AM
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On my 07, I had 19" all seasons and yes you can get around just fine but putting the 19" scorpion ice&snow just like my old E53 makes the car feel like it is on wet roads in the snow. As for starting on the stock all seasons, the computer makes that happen but I have to greatly disagree with the stopping. HUGE HUGE difference with winter tires. I had my 545 in for the brake recall and my SA gave me a x5 for a loaner with all seasons. We had 1/2 inch of snow and my first stop was a white knuckler. The all seasons were giving the antilock a fit and was very slow to stop. I just drove my 545 in on the same conditions with snow tires and my antilock did not engage once. I will never own a BMW without winter/summer setup.
I leased my car and felt like I only had the option of RFT ALL season....(I dislike large rims only have them on a sports car). I went with the 19 inchers that came standard. Did I have the option of summer tires? but it seems pointless to buy that set up while leasing....sure I could sell them at the end but that's a hassle.
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Old 01-10-2011, 07:16 PM
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I leased my car and felt like I only had the option of RFT ALL season....(I dislike large rims only have them on a sports car). I went with the 19 inchers that came standard. Did I have the option of summer tires? but it seems pointless to buy that set up while leasing....sure I could sell them at the end but that's a hassle.
It's about a 2k expense, and saves you from having to buy regular new tires at end of lease - considering your average lease will run you around 30k for 3 years, not that bad.
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It's about a 2k expense, and saves you from having to buy regular new tires at end of lease - considering your average lease will run you around 30k for 3 years, not that bad.
Heard that its cheaper to replace tires at the end of the lease. 200-300/tire?
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Heard that its cheaper to replace tires at the end of the lease. 200-300/tire?
LOL!

So you're telling me you bought a $60K SUV and are concerned about the difference of less than $1000 at the end of your lease.

Guess that $800 is more important than being safe....both you and the motorists around you.

This thread is total FAIL.
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Is the OP a lifelong, experienced winter weather driver? Who is having issues with this car in the snow?

Or does he really not have a solid feel for what low-traction driving should feel like?

This "RPM Spike" thing he keeps repeating is bizarre... Sounds like someone driving an Xbox and wondering why when you press the fast pedal 1/2 way the car doesn't move at 1/2 speed....

Sounds like someone describing driving on snow that has never driven on snow.... just saying.
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Without winter tires, you're not going to get much grip, and spinning out is the likely result.

Turning off DSC will allow more wheel spin, not less - I think you're seeing the throttle spike because the car cuts power to the wheels when they slip, and you're effectively in neutral.
Owners manual suggests for snow or sand to turn DSC ( press button once, dont hold it) down to "traction mode" you'll see it on your dash come up as traction. i drove through the same condition with the X5D and didn't experience anything like you are describing with similar Torque as your vehicle, and the 18" All seasons. For general driving practice, (I drove in buffalo NY for 8 years) on turns with snow, you take it real easy and avoid braking or giving too much gas. Straight aways you can almost drive normal but try to avoid the deap snow ruts which can pull your car off into deeper snow which is no good.
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